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So if everything goes to Prabowo's plan, we'd have this :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Rafale (Sukhoi will be phased out)
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA

Sq.3 & 16 will still fly F-16 for years/decades to come.

Sq.1 & 12 will still fly Hawk probably until 2030. After that it's everybody's guess. F-16V, Rafale, EF T3, F-35, etc.

I believe TNI-AU also had plan to build another fighter squadron in Eastern Indonesia.
No no no...
There is no way we will operate Rafale and Typhoon at the same time!
Kayak kebanyakan duit aja!

I think our new procurement worth 3 skadron fighter either EF+Viper or Rafale+Viper or full Rafale.

Operating new species of Fighter will most likely make Flanker operational drop significantly and force us to withdraw it from operational status early.
 
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So if everything goes to Prabowo's plan, we'd have this :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Rafale (Sukhoi will be phased out)
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA

Sq.3 & 16 will still fly F-16 for years/decades to come.

Sq.1 & 12 will still fly Hawk probably until 2030. After that it's everybody's guess. F-16V, Rafale, EF T3, F-35, etc.

I believe TNI-AU also had plan to build another fighter squadron in Eastern Indonesia.
Questionable.
 

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No no no...
There is no way we will operate Rafale and Typhoon at the same time!
Kayak kebanyakan duit aja!
The airframe of those 15 Austrian EF Typhoon can still last for decades. Are you seriously saying that we'll wait until the EF Typhoon phased out before we're ordering Rafale?
 

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So if everything goes to Prabowo's plan, we'd have this :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Rafale (Sukhoi will be phased out)
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA

Sq.3 & 16 will still fly F-16 for years/decades to come.

Sq.1 & 12 will still fly Hawk probably until 2030. After that it's everybody's guess. F-16V, Rafale, EF T3, F-35, etc.

I believe TNI-AU also had plan to build another fighter squadron in Eastern Indonesia.
if it happens will be the showroom Airforce
 

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We don't have money to introduce 2 platforms AND maintain the F-16's.
We have to choose! Not both!
if it happens will be the showroom Airforce
Alright, alright. No Rafale then:-)

Here we go :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Sukhoi
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA

This looks more exotic than the one with Rafale😁
 

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Wasn't there a couple of P-8's landing and refueling here? @Gen3115
Pretty much you could find P-8's landing at either Halim or Juanda a number of times a year. But I don't think it is as frequent as if we have a basing agreement with the US like Singapore does. C-17's and P-8's are not an uncommon sight here, if we do sign an agreement with the US I think you'd see them a lot more and despite them already having agreements with Singapore and the Philippines, Indonesia probably has some of better positioned airbases they could fly out of (Natuna, Pontianak).
 

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Defense minister visits Austria to intensify bilateral cooperation
21st Oct 2020 12:30
Defense minister visits Austria to intensify bilateral cooperation


London (ANTARA) - Defense Minister Prabowo Subianto embarked on a visit to Vienna, Austria, to hold a meeting with his Austrian counterpart, Klaudia Tanner, at the office of the Austrian Ministry of Defense on Tuesday.

The agenda of Subianto’s visit was to boost bilateral cooperation in the defense sector between both nations, the Indonesian Embassy in Vienna noted in a statement received by Antara London on Wednesday.

A military honor ceremony by the Austrian Armed Forces was held to greet Subianto, who was accompanied by Indonesian Ambassador to Austria Dr Darmansjah Djumala, member of the Indonesian House of Representatives' Commission I Sugiono, and Defense Attaché of the Indonesian Embassy in Berlin Col. Kav. Rio Hendrawan Alin Putra.

During the hour-long meeting, both defense ministers discussed opportunities to boost bilateral cooperation in the field of defense.

Cooperation opportunities can be evaluated further by establishing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) as an umbrella agreement for defense cooperation between both nations in future.

Apart from discussing defense issues, both ministers also shared information on developments in the handling of the COVID-19 pandemic in their respective countries.

Retired General Subianto had earlier paid a five-day visit to the US, starting Oct 15, 2020, his first since the US lifted its entry ban on him.

Subianto visited the United States at the US government’s invitation to discuss ways to bolster defense cooperation between the two countries.

A senior US defense official strongly defended the decision to welcome Prabowo to the Pentagon, where he met Defense Secretary Mark Esper, Reuters reported.

“Minister Prabowo is the appointed minister of defense of the now twice duly elected president of Indonesia, which is the third-largest democracy in the world,” the official stated while speaking on condition of anonymity.

“He is our counterpart of a very important partnership, and it is important that we engage with him and treat him as a partner,” the official was quoted as saying by Reuters.

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Translated by: Zeynita Gibbons, Fardah
Editor: Sri Haryati
 

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Yoo Sukhoi kok main di phase out aja, wong petingginya masih ngotot itu barang kok :lol: :lol:
Alright, alright. No Rafale then:-)

Here we go :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Sukhoi
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA

This looks more exotic than the one with Rafale😁
Again, you only get to pick 2. We can not afford to EFFECTIVELY OPERATE more than 2 airframe types.

Either F-16 + Flanker, F-16 + EF, or F-16 + Rafale.

They're not going to retire the F-16 since it's the main workhorse of the fleet.
 

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Here we go :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Sukhoi
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA
The original plan was (Pak Yuyu era):

Pontianak : Hawk (all of them)
Madiun : F16, T-50, SU35
Makassar : Sukhoi
Pekanbaru : F16
Kupang : F16V (1 ska)
Biak : TBA (most likely F16 from madiun will move here while the new F16V-1 SKA will replace it)

Replacing SU35 with EF will put her in Madiun. For the F16V its already clear where AU want to put them. Now the tricky part is the Rafale, if they meant to be an alternative for F16V then Kupang & Madiun will have it. Then again the escalation of threat has changed, idk if they are going to new strategic fighter placement plan or not. What I know for sure is Java will have the most complete type of fighter (TT/TS).

Now if we get the EF it would be foolish to get Rafale too, so most likely its going to be EF & F16
If we go with 32+ or 24+ (the was a statement that we going to reduce the plan for viper to 24) Rafale then it most likely be only Rafale.
The F35 backlog (if we order now) was at 2028+ where the F16V was at 2026+, Rafale would be 2024+ and EF to reach IOC/FOC stage if we decided to upgrade would be 2022+. Strategically you guys can do the math in time table manner on how we going to tackle this readyness state. I believe this is where the Hawk life extension program was announced as a stop gap (hawk expected to be retired in 2024-2025). Tho Im pretty sure only handfull of Hawk will enter the extension program, my guess its around 12-14 Fighters or so.

French has been trying to offload their old Rafale to keep the production line open for years to come and to welcome their new F4 version (upgraded avionic & new engine). And if we decided to get a mix of used and new one it would be an advantage for them in this race as it might be the fastest to reach IOC/FOC stage, but it might break our bank in the process :D

So what is going to be? Lets wait sambil ngupi :coffee::coffee:
 

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