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I'm just saying from experience, it's not above our government to stretch things when it comes to scrutiny.
I know that bruh .. but , it's just a different era nowadays . Different people with a different mindset and direr consequences . While this hush-hush agreement suit us perfectly just fine for now . It give us a limited option and chance to milk some benefit for a long term tangible profit too ..

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hamburger again
Nope, its just Austrian domestic politic. The commenting politician simply stated his concern over not having enough fighter planes if they sell all their Typhoon. The Indonesia side simply adding a spice for his narrative.

Define the permanent word please ....

It's kind of ambigious word there . They couldn't be dumb to not knowing about our loathing about the word of " foreign military "
Some sharing resources , logistic and intel i could understand but puting their men on the ground and create another of their " buble " without our supervision then it's a definitely no go
I try to simplify it. Think of it as the difference between schedule flight of a foreign airline from within our airport (ambil penumpang di tempat kita dgn jadwal tetap) vs making "transit" for re provision (fuel, catering service, etc) at our airport, or there is also option of having our airport as schedule destination of a foreign airline.
 

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Nope, its just Austrian domestic politic. The commenting politician simply stated his concern over not having enough fighter planes if they sell all their Typhoon. The Indonesia side simply adding a spice for his narrative.



I try to simplify it. Think of it as the difference between schedule flight of a foreign airline from within our airport (ambil penumpang di tempat kita dgn jadwal tetap) vs making "transit" for re provision (fuel, catering service, etc) at our airport, or there is also option of having our airport as schedule destination of a foreign airline.
Well , we could always provide services , provision and whatnot if they are willing to pay handsomely and look away for once if things are demands it . but surely that coud only under our supervision and terms . Yes , they could put a team of liason officer on the ground but that's it . anymore than that ... The public simply won't accept it
Because cooperation were go both ways and benefit each other . We haven't receive anything substansial enough to justify our expenses
 

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Well , we could always provide services , provision and whatnot if they are willing to pay handsomely and look away for once if things are demands it . but surely that coud only under our supervision and terms . Yes , they could put a team of liason officer on the ground but that's it . anymore than that ... The public simply won't accept it
Because cooperation were go both ways and benefit each other . We haven't receive anything substansial enough to justify our expenses
Not that's the concern, they want to based the squadron here in Indonesia soil and just recently Made official publication. It is like they don't paid any attention to Indonesian domestic politics condition to asking something like that to begin with. For starter that's kind of arrangements only bring disaster kinda like suicide mission for any ruling party in Indonesia, they should have known that, as they had bunch of local human intelligent and Indonesia political expert. And knowing that their request had been "rejected" publically since September but still Prabowo spent almost four days visit to the USA amid pandemic Covid and his very own birthday.

If you want to talking about conspiration theory, there is bunch to be talked here. It is more like the Indonesian and US government kinda Made some arrangements and the gesture published is for Win Win Solution and face saving
 

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RI-Jepang Sepakat Kerja Sama Terkait Isu Laut China Selatan

"Sehubungan dengan isu-isu regional, termasuk Korea Utara dan Laut Tiongkok Selatan, kami sepakat bahwa Jepang dan Indonesia akan bekerja sama secara erat," ucap Suga dalam bahasa Jepang yang telah diterjemahkan oleh penerjemah di Istana, dikutip dari siaran langsung Youtube Sekretariat Negara.

Is it gonna be as good as defence deal with Vietnam?
I hope so..
 

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Prabowo Mulai Nego Awal 15 Eurofighter Austria, Diterima?
Muhammad Iqbal, CNBC Indonesia
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Pertemuan antara Menteri Pertahanan RI Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto dan Menteri Pertahanan Austria Klaudia Tanner (Dokumentasi Kronen Zeitung)

Foto: Pertemuan antara Menteri Pertahanan RI Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto dan Menteri Pertahanan Austria Klaudia Tanner (Dokumentasi Kementerian Pertahanan Austria via Kronen Zeitung)


Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - Menteri Pertahanan Republik Austria Klaudia Tanner menerima kunjungan Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto di kantor Kementerian Pertahanan Austria di Wina, Austria, Selasa (20/10/2020) waktu setempat. Pertemuan Tanner dan Prabowo bertujuan membicarakan rencana penjualan 15 unit jet tempur Eurofighter Typhoon milik Austria.

Seperti dilaporkan media terkemuka Austria Kronen Zeitung, pertemuan tadi pagi diawali oleh penghormatan militer dari militer Austria kepada Prabowo. Kemudian dilakukan pembicaraan selama sekitar dua jam terkait 15 unit jet tempur Eurofighter Typhoon.

"Hari saya dapat berbicara secara langsung dengan counterpart saya asal Indonesia untuk pertama kali. Kami membicarakan ketertarikan (Indonesia) membeli Eurofighter yang kami miliki," ujar Tanner.

"Ini merupakan titik awal untuk diskusi permulaan dalam level teknis," lanjutnya.

Seperti diketahui, pertemuan antara Tanner dan Prabowo menuai kritikan di Austria. Terbaru, Juru Bicara Partai Hijau David Stogmuller memberikan pernyataan.

"Harus diklarifikasi apakah tidak ada negara lain yang tertarik dengan Eurofighter," ujarnya seraya menyinggung masalah dugaan pelanggaran HAM yang membelit Prabowo.

Pekan lalu, kritik demi kritik juga dilayangkan partai oposisi pemerintah. Sebagai informasi, Tanner berasal dari Partai Rakyat Austria (OVP) selaku pemenang dalam pemilihan umum 2017 lalu.

Juru Bicara Bidang Pertahanan Partai NEOS (Das Neue Österreich und Liberales Forum) Douglas Hoyos mengkritik rencana Tanner menjual 15 jet tempur Eurofighter Typhoon.












"Menjual Eurofighter Typhoon ke Indonesia bukanlah solusi untuk tuduhan korupsi seputar pembelian tersebut," ujarnya seperti dilansir salah satu media terkemuka di Austria, Der Standard, Minggu (18/10/2020).

Menurut dia, militer Austria akan berada dalam situasi sulit jika semua Eurofighter Typhoon dijual. Sebab, Austria telah meng-grounded sejumlah jet tempur lainnya, yaitu Saab 105 buatan Swedia.

"Selain itu, perlu dicermati apakah Indonesia merupakan mitra negosiasi yang cocok karena situasi hak asasi manusia setempat," kata Hoyos.

Juru Bicara Bidang Pertahanan Partai Kebebasan Austria (FPO) Reinhard Bosch menilai prospek kesepakatan antara kedua negara "sangat rendah" karena Austria membutuhkan persetujuan dari empat negara produsen Eurofighter Typhoon, yaitu Jerman, Inggris Raya, Italia, dan Spanyol. Tidak ketinggalan yang tak kalah penting adalah restu dari Amerika Serikat (AS) dan Airbus.

Pengawasan wilayah udara, menurut Bosch, akan terkendala jika penjualan Eurofighter Typhoon terwujud. Sebab, alternatif untuk jet-jet tempur itu harus segera disediakan pemerintah.

"Para ahli di kementerian harus menentukan jumlah hingga kemampuan apa yang diperlukan untuk memenuhi tugas dalam pengawasan wilayah udara," kata Bosch.

Terlepas dari dinamika yang ada, Presiden Austria Alexander van der Bellen meminta Tanner mempelajari apa yang diajukan Prabowo. "Merupakan tugas menteri pertahanan untuk memeriksa permintaan tersebut dengan cermat dan menarik kesimpulan yang sesuai," ujarnya kepada Der Standard.



(miq/miq)

Hhhmmmm....
Somehow I want him to be fail on this one..
 

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Can someone please explain why Prabowo is so reluctant with buying newer models of the F-16 but with the
T R A N C H E O N E Eurofighters he's absolutely on board with the idea?

Is it because of the delivery time or what? I honestly can't understand why this option was even brought up...
 

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Can someone please explain why Prabowo is so reluctant with buying newer models of the F-16 but with the
T R A N C H E O N E Eurofighters he's absolutely on board with the idea?

Is it because of the delivery time or what? I honestly can't understand why this option was even brought up...
If you see,there is interim programme to fill the blank ob the glaring number of platform we are lacking on number of several main platform which taking longer time to be build and starting operational, this including Warships and Fighter. The interim programme for fighter mention the number not stopped at one squadron only.


For F16V , that's other whole matter actually. The offer will be competed actually against Rafale.
 

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Can someone please explain why Prabowo is so reluctant with buying newer models of the F-16 but with the
T R A N C H E O N E Eurofighters he's absolutely on board with the idea?

Is it because of the delivery time or what? I honestly can't understand why this option was even brought up...
because it's procurement to replace F-5 remember? the sqn that retired freaking 5 years ago and still mbulet up until now. you don't replace interceptor sqn with multirole aircraft. but if you big fans and really want viper, don't worry :azn:
 

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Can someone please explain why Prabowo is so reluctant with buying newer models of the F-16 but with the
T R A N C H E O N E Eurofighters he's absolutely on board with the idea?

Is it because of the delivery time or what? I honestly can't understand why this option was even brought up...

procuring Eurofighters from Austria to pursue the fulfillment of the MEF target which the previous defense minister also had not achieved.
reluctance to buy F 16 V because Ausie and SG already have F 35 or have planned it, so we also bought f 35 to balance it, so Pak Luhut also hoped that we were allowed F 35 during a meeting with the Acting Under Sectretary of Defense for Policy US Department of Defense James Anderson
 

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because it's procurement to replace F-5 remember? the sqn that retired freaking 5 years ago and still mbulet up until now. you don't replace interceptor sqn with multirole aircraft. but if you big fans and really want viper, don't worry :azn:
@Nike and AH said hawk will still fly for TNI for decades to come.
 

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Karpet Merah' Austria untuk Prabowo Borong Eurofighter
Muhammad Iqbal, CNBC Indonesia
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1. 'Karpet Merah' Austria untuk Prabowo Borong Eurofighter 2. Keinginan Prabowo 3. Kritik oposisi di Austria 4. Dinilai tidak realistis
Pertemuan antara Menteri Pertahanan RI Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto dan Menteri Pertahanan Austria Klaudia Tanner (Dokumentasi Kronen Zeitung)

Foto: Pertemuan antara Menteri Pertahanan RI Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto dan Menteri Pertahanan Austria Klaudia Tanner (Dokumentasi Kementerian Pertahanan Austria via Kronen Zeitung)

Jakarta, CNBC Indonesia - Rangkaian kunjungan kerja Menteri Pertahanan Republik Indonesia Letnan Jenderal TNI (Purn) Prabowo Subianto ke sejumlah negara masih terus berlanjut. Kemarin, Prabowo menemui Menteri Pertahanan Republik Austria Klaudia Tanner di kantor Kementerian Pertahanan Austria di Wina, Austria, Selasa (20/10/2020) waktu setempat.

Pertemuan Tanner dan Prabowo bertujuan membicarakan rencana penjualan 15 unit jet tempur Eurofighter Typhoon milik Austria. Seperti dilaporkan media terkemuka Austria Kronen Zeitung, pertemuan pada Selasa (20/10/2020) pagi diawali oleh penghormatan militer dari militer Austria kepada Prabowo. Kemudian dilakukan pembicaraan terkait 15 unit jet tempur Eurofighter Typhoon.






"Hari saya dapat berbicara secara langsung dengan counterpart saya asal Indonesia untuk pertama kali. Kami membicarakan ketertarikan (Indonesia) membeli Eurofighter yang kami miliki," ujar Tanner.

"Ini merupakan titik awal untuk diskusi permulaan dalam level teknis," lanjutnya.

Di sisi lain, tidak ada pernyataan resmi dari Juru Bicara Menhan RI, Dahnil Anzar Simanjuntak, terkait pertemuan antara Prabowo dan Tanner. CNBC Indonesia pun telah mencoba mengonfirmasi Dubes RI untuk Austria Darmansjah Jumala perihal persamuhan itu. Ia berjanji akan segera mengirimkan rilis pers terkait momen tersebut.


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From the news itself, it seems Austrian very eager to dump the Typhoon to Indonesia
 

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So if everything goes to Prabowo's plan, we'd have this :

Sq.1 Pontianak : Hawk
Sq.3 Madiun : F-16 EDA
Sq.11 Makassar : Rafale (Sukhoi will be phased out)
Sq.12 Pekanbaru : Hawk
Sq.14 Madiun : EF Typhoon
Sq.15 Madiun : T-50
Sq.16 Pekanbaru : F-16 EDA

Sq.3 & 16 will still fly F-16 for years/decades to come.

Sq.1 & 12 will still fly Hawk probably until 2030. After that it's everybody's guess. F-16V, Rafale, EF T3, F-35, etc.

I believe TNI-AU also had plan to build another fighter squadron in Eastern Indonesia.
 

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