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sensors and weaponry depend on the buyer, Pakistan's MILGEM has many differences in sensors and weaponry compared to Turkish MILGEM
Agree on this. It would be great if we can install thales or hensoldt/terma based subsystem on turkish frigate hull and equip them with sylver vls incorporating Mica NG / CAMM-ER coupled with Aster 15/30 missiles for anti AAW and also MM40 Block 3/NSM for ASuW.
 

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I love to see Indonesia to cooperate with the Turks and they are the few with sincere attitude to co develop together, but Recep Tayip Erdogan erratic behavior lately is quite disturbing and his political tendency very dangerous for Turkey itself.
Its very hard to predict erdogans intention really. His action seems to be rather impulsive. So far his action has made Turkey defence Industry and military suffer, some of their project has been postponed as they are still trying to look for substitute for the american sourced components in some of their hardware.
 

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Maybe harpoon changed with atmaca, standard missile with Hisar and Siper. The question is VLS, using turks vls??
Also other system like iff etc. Likely cafrad system by aslsan


Koedetaken sadja, silahken. Amanken oleh dewan djendral.
(Tapi ttp ga enak sih justru erdogannya itu daya tarik org kita jdi pro turki shift dri yg sblmnya pro arab atau iran, skrg punya patokan lain utk urusan timteng ya si turki ini, klo pro saudi dibilang wahabi, pro iran syiah yaudah ambil turki. Selama ini kan org sini anggep turki negara syaitan ataturk kapir ga kekubur harus dimasukin ke es batu baru dkubur dst...., sjk ada erdogan org indonesia mulai ada shift liaht turki jdi role model, dan... senjata mrk kbtulan booming beserta ertugrul, cinta musim cerry dsb wkwkwk)

Merdek !!

Turki cuman relly italia doang. Samp/t mrk lanjut tpi barengan ama italia tok

Merdeka !!!
I think it would not be wise to add different type of missile system to our inventory. It would add more burden to our logistical chain. We can choose to install european system instead. Besides, any kind of cooperation with them would still be mandated by law to have the end product be build and completed here in Indonesia. Thats why i assume the cooperation would mainly consist on hull building and system integration only, hence we will be given the freedom to choose the weapon and subsystem fit to our needs.
 

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Dirgahayu 75th years of Indonesian independence. May our country will always prosper and may God always grant peace to our country.
 

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That's not the point, the point is if indeed the statement "Russian aircrafts are now considered somewhat inferior to their Chinese counterparts" is true, then why did China bought the Su-35 with full understanding that the Russians will supply them with export models (which is of lesser capability than the domestic variants) because Russia themselves would have predicted China to try and reverse engineer the planes?

People reverse engineer technologies which are superior than their own, not the ones which are inferior than theirs.

4 good Reasons:
  1. Greater diversity in its fleet - including the types of electronic warfare systems, air to air missiles and cruise missiles it deploys which makes the fleet far more versatile difficult to counter.
  2. To protect indigenous fighter's radar signature from being learned by enemy
  3. To pursue targeted quantity of the fighters, as engine production rate in China was not sufficient to build a lot J-11 required at that time.
  4. TVC technology
At that time, Russian is superior in TVC technology. Dont know now.
 

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Deal! Prabowo Gandeng Scytalys Bangun Sistem Pertahanan RI
This is a pretty old news, but why it only surface in many local news now?
Suddenly they want inform public about the importance of network centric warfare?
NCW it's very Important, especially Military Satellites, SIGINT Aircraft, AWACS, and Maritime Patrol Aircraft, if well integrated with other assets (especially anti-submarine surface ships), it's very useful as intelligence data to identify enemy submarines, especially nuclear submarines that have unpredictable sonar and signal signature
 

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Deal! Prabowo Gandeng Scytalys Bangun Sistem Pertahanan RI
This is a pretty old news, but why it only surface in many local news now?
Suddenly they want inform public about the importance of network centric warfare?
Maybe because the media just sniff the news recently? Or it could be another effort from mindef to show off that their actually doing something? Some sort of propaganda of some kind? I mean, so far there's no significant big ticket item purchase has been achieved by the mindef. All talks but no result. Meanwhile the situation in SCS is escalating.
 
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This is a pretty old news, but why it only surface in many local news now?
We have to see how he was "dancing" in the media at previous Presidential campaign to understand this kind of a game. Its the same thing but with different object basically. Its open for interpretation, but if I can speculate this might be a hint that the future/upcoming alutsista purchase must be base on this network platform. This "news" prolly aim for upcoming service suppliers/integrator.

so far there's no significant big ticket item purchase has been achieved by the mindef.
AFAIK big ticket purchase usually come from pinjaman luar negri. This budgeting will be done in September, so if we looking for the big one it might come after the budget been approved.
 

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DIRGAHAYU NKRI KE 75!!

BEIJING’S (MISPLACED) CONFIDENCE

Perhaps buoyed by this belief, China has decided not to back down as at least four Chinese maritime law enforcement vessels continue to operate in Indonesia’s EEZ.

But there is more at stake here than just economic interests for Indonesia and perhaps Beijing has underestimated that.

Coordinating Maritime Affairs and Investments Minister Luhut Pandjaitan, though acknowledging the importance of trade and investment ties with China, insisted that the country is not “selling out our sovereignty” to Beijing.

To the Indonesians, safeguarding sovereignty is a red line in the sand. As far as the new administration is concerned, there is no change to how seriously it views maritime incursions.

In particular, new Maritime Affairs and Fisheries Minister Edhy Prabowo pledged last November to continue his predecessor Susi Pudjiastuti's hard-line stance against illegal fishing, as Indonesia’s “enemy number one”.

If anything, this should have been a stark warning to China.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/commentary/indonesia-china-dispute-natuna-12244200

Its not just SCS, there is also one of our neighbor who has track record of sneaking around of disputed status quo area for their advantage. So to this regard and celebrating our 75th Kemerdekaan lets hear a good song/video below enjoy. :enjoy:

 

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Dsme 2000 is dsme 1400 with some technology on dsme 3000, we can't really say it's an unproven design.
I don't think dsme 2000 actually dsme 1400. The tonage itself is far different. The length and diameter is different. It is not the same sub. So yeah for me it is unproven design 100%.
Crazy about korean sub? Sure go ahead take KS III. It is better than paper sub. At least Korean Navy using it.
 

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