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Gundala

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I dont think any MBT (if there is even consideration for it) will go thru this year. We will see confirmation in next month or so, but I think so far AU and AL will get the biggest pie.
 

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FYI, khilafah is a form of government, not ideology
Yes and no. Yes Khilafah is not necessarily an ideology, No because a form of government represents an ideological background. It is impossible that an ideologically democratic nation has an absolute monarchy for instance, the same way secular country is almost impossible to have a form of government that is Khilafah.
 

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Singapore and taiwan not aggresive to Indonesia..and theyare not comm who always be 1st nation enemy

From where you got understanding that country with comm ideology/principle is Indonesian enemy?? No! they are not.
Indonesian Communist Party is Indonesian enemy, but country like China, Vietnam, Russia, north Korea is not our enemy. Indonesia geopolitical stand is making friends will all nations.
 

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Singapore and taiwan not aggresive to Indonesia..and theyare not comm who always be 1st nation enemy
First, you shouldn't mixed "sinophile" with political stance/war between Indonesia and China, they are separate things.

Second, I dont see China view Indonesia as enemy nor they are hostile toward Indonesia. Dispute sometimes happen, and could be settled via diplomacy/negotiation. China and Russia also have dispute but they are friends.
 

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But you defended the CCP's actions going as far as attacking other members for it especially the indian & never criticized the CCP for obvious things it's the same thing.

Admitting yourself as a sinophile means you're admitting your narrow-minded mess.

First of all, show me the comment of mine that you claim as my defending CCP's action against any nation. Can you? :girl_wacko:

Even if so, so what? does Taiwan/India/Japan/US/Vietnam make a defense pact with Indonesia? :coffee:
 

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"Lagipula Cromwell bukan orang yang terlibat renstra. Jika dia benar2 terlibat renstra pasti konten konfidensial dan sensitif tidak akan dia upload bahkan ke blog asing sebab pasti dia akan memegang teguh kerahasiaan"

He is way ahead of his head. Sesuatu yg "bocor" kadang memang dibiarkan begitu utk maksud & tujuan tertentu. Org yg terlibat renstra pun kadang ga tau detail begitu masuk tahap pelaksanaan. Perinsipnya semua punya peran masing-masing dan informasi sesuai bagiannya. Bagi yg sedikit banyak paham prosesnya (pengadaan alutsista) pasti tau bahwa nothing is certain sampe itu barang datang. Bahkan yg sudah tanda tangan kontrak aja masih bisa macet baik karena faktor internal atau eksternal. Yg sudah ada di "list" pun kadang bisa ketendang/digantikan. Kalau itu sekedar wish list atau analisa umum perhitungan/spektek mah santuy. Mungkin mereka ingin menginformasikan bahwa milih barang tidak main tujuk, dan menjelaskan bahwa ada pertimbangan yg dilakukan.

Konteks Rahasia disini jika memang pemerintah menginginkan seperti itu maka tidak akan ada yg keluar di publik. Apalagi alutsista strategis, bahkan antar matra pun belum tentu tahu. Buat yg non strategis yah sepeti blackhawk kemarin yg rame fotonya, pada bingung kapan mesennya, kalau saya sih ketawa aja karena dah duluan kaget pas liat penampakan blekok itu di Latgab dulu :lol::lol:

Makanya selalu sy bilang jgn meremehkan org2 yg ada disini. Mungkin mereka tahu tapi mereka juga tahu batasan yg bisa ditampilkan, kadang hanya berupa hints but you have to read between the lines. So what he said is fire back to him.:guns::guns::D

"Info yang dia dapat langsung diumbar begitu saja ke blog asing yang jelas2 memihak kepada musuh potensial kita yaitu RRC"
I couldnt even say a word to comment this one :cuckoo::cuckoo::help::help::D:D
 

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4-7? I'm guessing he doesn't know that 3 was already sold for scrap. Köln was sold for scrapping in 2015 after retirement in 2012. Rheinland-Pfalz was sold for scrapping in 2017 after retirement in 2013. Bremen was sold off in June this year.

Lübeck is still in service with the Bundesmarine. So that's out.

Of the other 4, Karlsruhe is supposed to be used as a target ship. Leaving Emden, Niedersachsen, and Augsburg. If you check out the naval yard in Wilshemshaven on google earth, there's 4 Bremen classes in various states of scrapping.



That means there's likely only 1-2 that's available for sale.

Tl;Dr Ngitung is talking out of his ***.
 
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4-7? I'm guessing he doesn't know that 3 was already sold for scrap. Köln was sold for scrapping in 2015 after retirement 2012. Rheinland-Pfalz was sold for scrapping in 2017 after retirement 2013. Bremen was sold off in June this year.

Lübeck is still in service with the Bundesmarine. So that's out.

Of the other 3, Karlsruhe is supposed to be used as a target ship. Leaving Emden and Augsburg. If you check out the naval yard in Wilshemshaven on google earth, there's 4 Bremen classes in various states of scrapping.



That means there's likely only 1 that's available for sale.

Tl;Dr Ngitung is talking out of his ***.
Thanks for the explanation, i'm glad the dumb isn't around anymore though i'm pretty sure the retard does silently reading this
 
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Just info for ya guys, apparently for tanker program there's such different view between the userr (Airforce) and MoD. Apparently Airforce pushed for KC-46 while MoD pushed for MRTT
 

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