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India's Red Iron Curtain of Kashmir

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  1. BHarwana

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    How India is using NSO Group spyware to facilitate Extra Judicial killings in Kashmir.

    First event
    The registration
    The process of registering WhatsApp groups began in 2018 but lets take this Mar 2019 news as first record for Kashmir. All the Admins of WhatsApp group were registered by Indian security forces. These Admins were registered to launch NSO group Spyware.
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    Evidence of NSO Group Spyware.

    This 9th Nov 2019 Article im @nytimes & many other news from this time period are evidence of India using the NSO Group Spyware.
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    The Lockdown of Kashmir 5th Aug 2019 India initiated the lock down of Kashmir. The day Red Iron Curtain came down on Kashmir valley & hid it from the world eyes. In the lock down. India launched Gestapo type operation. Internet was locked & all phone communication was monitored.
    A system was set in place the term Coin Operation came to life. The Data which India had collected from NSO groups spyware was used to target the youth who had a wish for freedom. Under Coin Ops a Grid was established areas were divided & targets in these areas were recognized and divided into categories. The first category & second included youth and freelance journalist were assigned to Cyber police of disputed J&K. Under the charge of
    @Tahir_A Tahir Ashraf SP, Incharge Cyber Police Kashmir a brutal crack down is running. Using data of phones calls retrieved by NSO Group spyware students and journalists were abducted and terrorized to give up voice of freedom. SP Tahir Ashraf terrorized many with torture and forced them to issue statements on their social media which will deter others to say the truth online.

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    This helped India hide its brutality in Kashmir. Images below show some brutalities of SP Tahir of J&K Cyber police. How he made people give up their freedom of expression. This is the most brutal confirmed evidence of oppression. A modern day Gestapo using NSO Groups spyware.
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    Amoumg all this is the famous case of Kashmiri Photo jourmilist Masrat Zahra #masratzahra who was arrested for posting a @GettyImages Image. The voice for Masrat Zahra was cried around the world but there are many unknown names waiting freedom from NSO powered Cyper police.
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    After the registering of WhatsApp groups Admins. The process of spreading NSO group Spyware began. WhatsApp groups Admins were asked to post infected links in their groups. J&K Cyber police officer was also added to those groups
    NSO group Spyware infected most devices in disputed valley. It targeted everyone from students, politicians, doctors, teachers & even the Muslim serving in Indian security forces. This info was collected into a cloud servers of Indian Army lunched in 2018.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...my-launched/articleshow/49722666.cms?from=mdr

    The responsibility of sorting & arranging this data was of Indian Defence Cyber Agency (DCA). DCA was established: 28 September 2018 & came online just before the lock down was initiated on Kashmir with the sole purpose of oppressing Kashmir.
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    Defence Cyber Agency DCA is a tri service agency. In Kashmir DCA collaborated with IAF & Indian Army. Duty of DCA was to identify targets and forward info to IAF & Indian Army to conduct Coin ops or Extra Judicial Operations.

    How DCA identified targets. The Data collected from NSO Group Spyware was used to recognize targets from Indian National Register of Citizens using a facial recognition software. Evidence of India trying to build world's biggest facial recognition system

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/17/tech/india-facial-recognition-intl-hnk/index.html

     
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  2. Joe Shearer

    Joe Shearer PROFESSIONAL

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    This is disturbing; I thought India already had IoJK (is that the politically correct phrase du jour?).
     
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    How can you ‘ never have ‘ something you already have ?
     
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  4. SecularNationalist

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    That's happening in world's biggest democracy is even more disturbing.
     
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    Fireurimagination SENIOR MEMBER

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    Our babus and agencies are so efficient? Surprising!
     
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  6. Joe Shearer

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    Putting together some catch-phrases does not make for much of an argument.

    The region - no longer a state - is a disturbed area. It is not disturbed by internal agitation alone; such an agitation exists, but it has an enormous clandestine apparatus behind it. It is not surprising that a third-world country such as India has failed to provide the very refined treatment that is necessary to achieve a neutralisation of violence, a neutralisation of externally funded and powered violence, a restoration of the dignity and self-respect of people caught between two groups of armed men, a restoration of productive business climate and the enabling of trade and commerce, and legislation to be used to restore confidence in democracy.

    There is nothing disturbing in the fact that violence has been countered by violence. The methods used by both sides are gruesome; however, one side is accountable individuals in the service of their country, and their actions are bound to be criticised. The other side is unaccountable, and its actions are conveniently kept out of sight when a propaganda case is being built.

    The US of A is much stronger. Its track record in maintaining human rights, even in a peaceful atmosphere, at home, is lamentable. In the context of India's economic development and status of tools of governance, it is inevitable that there should be failings. Gibes made for the sake of making gibes are unlikely to prevail, and will only find a dedicated domestic audience.
     
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    Three pointer sirji.

    Hope you are well.

    P.S. You were on the money about the Bengali. Clarity of though of a soldier.
     
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    Yep, terror attacks on security forces, and public, groups threatening national integrity problems for the World's largest democracy. When some shit happens to us nobody uses the Democracy Card. When our security forces are killed nobody talks about the world's largest democracy, but when we react, then groups team up and say World's largest democracy shouldn't do such things, well screw em. This is how it's gonna be, world's largest democracy do not tolerate secession given democracy do not grant secession it only grants the right to elect the rulers, it's that simple.
     
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  10. SecularNationalist

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    There is no external funding in IOJK. There is no way a country like pakistan with limited resources can fund the whole population of IOJK which is in millions.Its a indigenous freedom movement originated from inside,a bitter pill even so called intellectuals like you cannot swallow.
    Committee mass rapes,mass killings ,passing unconstitutional and illegal bills in the parliment to make kashmiris indians by force is definitely not a restoration of self respect and dignity. You failed to implement all that business environment and commerce in other states of India (only in recent years) and here you are making big claims doing that in a internationally recognized disputed territory which is by all means not a part of India. For the sake of logical argument please refrain yourself from making straw- man arguments.
    Of their country ? Or a occupied land?
    Well in a country like India where the majority decided to elect mass murderers and right wingers you are right my argument has no place.
    The whole international media is making jibes at you then ,you are the only logical debater left in this world.
    Secession only happens where a part of a land belongs to a country . The piece of land we are talking about is a disputed land fighting for it's very right of freedom. And after decision taken on fifth August last year the official status of India in IOJK is of a Invader and occupier. Because you disrespected and rejected everything in the UN charter which was legalizing your temporary stay in IOJK.Worlds biggest democracies always go by book and follow all international laws. What you did was a trait of a banana state.
    Ok then grant kashmiris the right of refreundum and vote ,the right to elect their own leaders by true and fair elections not the type of elections you conducted there.
    Hypocricy is in the DNA of you bhartis . By bhartis i mean anyone who believes in the unnatural and artificial unity of india which only becomes the reality by suppressing people by force.
     
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  11. masterchief_mirza

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    According to Indian weather channels maybe. Pakistani weather channels say something different. The UN says something different still, (not that the UN can technically "recognise" nation states as it isn't one itself) closer to Pakistani positions. It's not as though there aren't other disputed territories around the world presently and in history. Crimea?

    Kashmir will be very much free of any silly confusion emanating from Indian weather channels. It's become a matter of time.
     
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  12. Joe Shearer

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    It is always difficult to deal with ideologues sitting at their desks and airing their theories. If I were to reveal the situation as it stands in Jammu, far, far more than Srinagar, everyone would would be shocked.

    First, we need not have silly statements - regrets, but it is silly - about funding the whole population of J&K; only a picked few get subventions, and they also get sums of money for very, very small amounts of pocket money to rent-a-mob impresarios.

    The indigenous freedom movement would have vanished by now, without the crores spent to keep it alive.

    Still on the subject of your text above, please stop the personal comments. If you have logic and fact on your side, produce them; it is a cheap stunt to refer to 'so-called intellectuals', since I am not the one calling myself an intellectual.

    You talk of mass rapes as if it is a Saturday night entertainment, and not a charge of very major crime. If you had any sincere purpose at all, you would not have cheapened this charge by making it sound like a bullet-point in a presentation. As for unconstitutional and illegal bills in parliament, only those should use those phrases who are familiar with it. I can; I know what was done. You can't; you don't have a clue.

    You? Are you debating with the government or with an individual who has suggested that there is a practical way forward?

    In either case, why are you bringing in the other states of India? You need to then find out and substantiate those airy charges. Further, what does your dogged insistence on the disputed nature of that territory have to do with the efficacy of the steps proposed for it?

    I am sorry to see this descent into incoherence. When I say that one side is in the accountable service of their country, what do you think they are doing in J&K in the first place? It is their service that is under definition, not the place of their service. Sometimes I am worried at the scrambled eggs that result from any effort at parsing responses to any statement made.

    Your argument has no place except where screaming at the top of one's voice is a legitimate mode of debate. Perhaps you might care to look up the coordinates of Republic TV and join their discussion panels. You would fit in very well there.

    I am glad that you are insulated against reality to this handsome extent. It must make tolerating the true state of things so much easier.

    Who should know better than you what is or is not a banana state? I have to admit that you have the better of me in terms of experience in such statecraft.

    Our elections were certainly elections. Here, we have a reversal of situations. You might know more about banana states. You know precious little about elections. Even at the worst of times, we have had elections that were recognised internationally. We do not suffer under the legacy of having spent 40% of our national existence without elections.

    Other than pejoratives of a lame nature, and accusations that essentially convey that you are upset at not receiving immediate consent to your high-pitched views, do you have anything else to say? Would you also consider refraining from the irony of talking of suppressing people by force?[/quote][/quote]
     
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    Perish the thought....you'd be truly unbearable the day you did that.

    Come on Joe. We've been on this merry go round numerous times on this forum. Nobody has the time for this same old argument. You have your generous interpretations of the reality of Indian "democracy". We have ours.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Jammu_and_Kashmir_Legislative_Assembly_election

    https://www.economictimes.com/news/...ammu-and-kashmir/amp_articleshow/67168758.cms
     
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  14. Joe Shearer

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    Not according to your own post.

    It has become a matter of the weather.

    I hear you loud and clear.

    I hear you saying that these are time-wasting arguments. Only action is relevant any more.

    There is not much that can be said in response to that muscular approach. Except by unbearable self-declared intellectuals vying for a share of the attention from readers.:D
     
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    Well done!