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Double standards of the world. Specially west and Europe.
Can we for gawds sakes not start crying away about this because it will not resolve the issue but make it worse. It will only fuel the fire. You can't expect to improve your image in Europe and West by bitching about them. Play smart. For a start who exposed this Indian racket? Europeans .....
 

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The answer is complex and multi-layered.

We don't care enough.

We do care..but just not as much as we should.

Why not?

Because rupees matter more to too many of us. It's more lucrative to toe the line and either do nothing or even actively aid and abet the enemy. You need look no further than the PMLN and PPP legacy to understand this point.

Let's go deeper.

Why then is a quick buck more important than national interest to so many Pakistanis?

That's because we are raised with a feudal mindset, whether upper class or lower class or middle class. We are taught that quality of our performance or innovation or excellence above all others are secondary to securing the fruits of our labour for internal consumption. We are taught that business is in order to create wealth for internal consumption rather than risk and reinvestment. We are taught to sit on wealth whenever possible to keep it safe - buy some land, let someone else develop there, let someone else innovate, but sit on the land and take the rent - this is the Pakistani dream.

It's not a bad dream per se. Certainly, land ownership will bring great wealth to a lucky few. But it won't drive or build a nation. It won't create ideas and identity and unity. It won't inspire others to learn from you and develop some idea further or champion some novel enterprise because hey, land is land and someone else can be doing stuff with it as long as I get the rent.

You may think I'm exaggerating but consider our cultural traits. They're geared towards internal security of the family unit - extended families, matriarchical structure (don't believe the western orientalist b.s. that we're patriarchal and misogynistic - the opposite is true), and even arranged marriages are all designed to secure wealth inside a family unit and sit on it. We still tell our daughters (though this has lessened of late admittedly) to study medicine but don't practice it as they need to raise the family. In theory it's great and has its advantages, but again, it won't build a nation or an identity because the motivation to drive those things lies more in risk-taking and enterprising behaviours.

I've rambled on so I will stop, but this is just a hint of some possible socio-psychological factors that have caused us to stagnate for long periods. The potential is certainly there but we always end up taking the path of least resistance. Look at Imran Khan - he has given himself daily aneurysms by choosing to forego a simple wealthy retirement and instead trying to drag us kicking and screaming out of our collective malaise. He has made countless enemies for himself who are all paid well and fully intend to do nothing of value for Pakistan once they finally depose him. It's a difficult, risky path he chose, and in truth, most of us are raised to favour a path of lower resistance and security of limited wealth.
Agree with your statement. We just dont seem to be the aggressive type of people to answer back at anyone. One time the Bangladeshis were bullying us as well as war torn Afghans.
 

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This is very dangerous and serious. Fake news by the Pentagon and G Bush pushed the western world to invade iraq under the false pretence of WMD. DR David Kelly, a British weapons expert was found dead. No doubt he was murdered because his report indicated Iraq had no WMDs.
India is deliberately making fabricated stories against Pakistan at an alarming rate. This dehumanizes citizens of other nations whenever we, Pakistanis are hit with terrorist attacks or natural events.
Indian Gov and army need to be openly named and shamed of their murderous campaign against Pakistan.



AGREED!

But we ALL need to be doing our part to destroy the indian propaganda scourge against us. Because the Iraqis chose not to fight the Western propaganda against them, the whole of Iraq was destroyed and over 2 million Iraqis were mimurdered by america and Nato. The indians are not able to do this to Pakistan on their own which is why the huge propaganda push against us. The first step in combating this indians menace is to permanently ban ALL indians and other enemies of Pakistan and Pakistanis from PDF.

@waz @krash @Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster
 

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Why India being singled out for criticism? It’s not the only country that engages in this behavior. Is US innocent here or, for that matter, Pakistan?

It’s all par for the course as far as hybrid war is concerned.
 

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Why India being singled out for criticism? It’s not the only country that engages in this behavior. Is US innocent here or, for that matter, Pakistan?

It’s all par for the course as far as hybrid war is concerned.




This is a Pakistani forum. india is the permanent enemy of the Pakistani people and nation. So get lost to an indian forum. All indians are our enemies.


@waz @The Eagle @Horus @krash @jaibi @Foxtrot Alpha @Irfan Baloch

This indian I responded to is condoning and justifying indian propaganda against Pakistan. It shows that PDF is facilitating anti-Pakistani propaganda by india.
 

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AGREED!

But we ALL need to be doing our part to destroy the indian propaganda scourge against us. Because the Iraqis chose not to fight the Western propaganda against them, the whole of Iraq was destroyed and over 2 million Iraqis were mimurdered by america and Nato. The indians are not able to do this to Pakistan on their own which is why the huge propaganda push against us. The first step in combating this indians menace is to permanently ban ALL indians and other enemies of Pakistan and Pakistanis from PDF.

@waz @krash @Foxtrot Alpha @The Eagle @Irfan Baloch @WebMaster
stated earlier, it is alarming how many anti pakistani whores have appeared online based in the west. Constat fabricated stories of Pashtun rights abuses, Baloch rights abuses, Kashmiri abuse etc. I visited Pakistan last year Islamabad and Rawalpindi, it was a melting pot of all races. In fact certain areas of the cities Puktuns dominated as well as Afghan refugees. Nobody had issues with anyone based on thier cultural ethnicity.
 

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Agree with your statement. We just dont seem to be the aggressive type of people to answer back at anyone. One time the Bangladeshis were bullying us as well as war torn Afghans.

Whenever I put these enemies of Pakistan in their place I get warning from the MODs. Trust me, there are more than enough Pakistanis who can put our enemies in their places but other Pakistanis stop us from doing so.
stated earlier, it is alarming how many anti pakistani whores have appeared online based in the west. Constat fabricated stories of Pashtun rights abuses, Baloch rights abuses, Kashmiri abuse etc. I visited Pakistan last year Islamabad and Rawalpindi, it was a melting pot of all races. In fact certain areas of the cities Puktuns dominated as well as Afghan refugees. Nobody had issues with anyone based on thier cultural ethnicity.





That is the reality our enemies hate hence their extreme propaganda against us.
 

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Please, lets not dish out at the EU. Don't forget it was a European organization working to secure information fed to EU that exposed this and not any Pakistan agency or organization. They were all asleep through the last 15 years. I mean at some stage should Islamabad not taken note of this?

Now that it took the EU disinfo to expose this it is for Pakistan not to launch a major project to push back at this massive Indian operation. Pakistan will have to find money and quality manpower with expertise in this subject on war footing to handle this.

Don't always expect others to do the work for you.
I have no idea how to take this insidous Indian operation on. But I think Ministry of Foreign Affairs need to establish a dedicated cell with approipriate funding. This cell should include ISI and military officials and be ran on a war footing. Expertise in media will have to be hired from abroad. This is not a job that those whose only exposure is in Pakistan can handle this. Foreign Pakistani talent should be recruited with expertise. A good example of one already working for the government is Moeed Yusef who is doing a sterling job because he knows the international landscape and western pysche. This will take determined effort over years.

People think image is just a 'feeling'. No, it is very tangible. It's impact is across the varying aspects of Pakistan's economy. Bad image suppresses the value of PKr. It reduces the value of Pakistani products. It's total effect must cost Pakistan billions.

I give one example. France has great image. Get a bottle of perfume. Package it as Made in France and then package it as Made in Pakistan. What might sell for £100 as French would not even sell for £10 as Pakistani. This is effect of image and the entire Pakistani economy is losing billions because of this image problem.
EU-China investment deal likely this week - officials | Reuters
Money talks BS walks the EU is probably more in favor of closer economic ties with China to balance out the US and Russia however the French independently may prefer a balance between India and China in regards to the Pacific what this gotta do with Pakistan well the problem is lack of soft power and the babus are finally understanding that albeit slowly
 

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This is a Pakistani forum. india is the permanent enemy of the Pakistani people and nation. So get lost to an indian forum. All indians are our enemies.


@waz @The Eagle @Horus @krash @jaibi @Foxtrot Alpha @Irfan Baloch

This indian I responded to is condoning and justifying indian propaganda against Pakistan. It shows that PDF is facilitating anti-Pakistani propaganda by india.
You state that India is Pakistan’s eternal enemy yet complain when India engages in propaganda against Pakistan. Why are you surprised by this?
 

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You state that India is Pakistan’s eternal enemy yet complain when India engages in propaganda against Pakistan. Why are you surprised by this?

What makes you think I'm surprised? Our aims are clear. We want all indians to be vanquished from our forums and other platforms. You have your nation and forums and we have our own. We want 0 contact with our enemies.
 
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Whenever I put these enemies of Pakistan in their place I get warning from the MODs. Trust me, there are more than enough Pakistanis who can put our enemies in their places but other Pakistanis stop us from doing so.
Many years ago when I was a high school student. I was part of a large circle of friends made up of Pakistanis and Indians. One day while walking home in the mid 1990s during a hot summer afternoon me and my friends laughed at a group of white British school boys from a different school who had ST George's flags painted on their faces. The group of white boys without thought charged at us and we engaged in a mass brawl. Some had blooded noses from our side and some from theirs. What it demonstrated was the passion and courage the English boys felt about their flag and their national saint. How they felt angered and humiliated by a group of non native British citizens mockery.
You can guess my circle of friends did not expect a strong ferocious response and we were completely taken back.
 

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Many years ago when I was a high school student. I was part of a large circle of friends made up of Pakistanis and Indians. One day while walking home in the mid 1990s during a hot summer afternoon me and my friends laughed at a group of white British school boys from a different school who had ST George's flags painted on their faces. The group of white boys without thought charged at us and we engaged in a mass brawl. Some had blooded noses from our side and some from theirs. What it demonstrated was the passion and courage the English boys felt about their flag and their national saint. How they felt angered and humiliated by a group of non native British citizens mockery.
You can guess my circle of friends did not expect a strong ferocious response and we were completely taken back.



That's what we Pakistanis need to start feeling for our nation and flag.
 

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Our aims are clear. We want all indians to f**k off from our forums and other platforms. You have your nation and forums and we have our own. We don't want your rodent kind polluting us.
Uh, no.

You don’t own this forum and neither do I. As long as I follow the forum rules, I have a right to post here, whether you like it or not. No one forced you to read my post or even respond to it. Nevertheless, you still did.
 

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India with its massive disinformation campaign against Pakistan, as recently revealed by EU Disinfo Lab, appears to be following what a US think tank RAND calls "Firehose of Falsehood" propaganda model. It has over 750 fake media outlets covering 119 countries. There are over 750 domain names, some in the name of dead people and others using stolen identities. Pakistani policymakers charged with countering the Indian propaganda should read the RAND report "Firehose of Falsehoods" for its 5 specific recommendations to the US government to effectively respond to the Russian disinformation campaign. In particular they should heed its key advice: "All other things being equal, messages received in greater volume and from more sources will be more persuasive.......Don't expect to counter Russia's firehose of falsehood with the squirt gun of truth. Instead, put raincoats on those at whom the firehose is aimed"
Scale and Duration of India's Campaign:
EU Disinfo Lab, an NGO that specializes in disinformation campaigns, has found that India is carrying out a massive 15-year-long disinformation campaign to hurt Pakistan. The key objective of the Indian campaign as reported in "Indian Chronicles" is as follows: "The creation of fake media in Brussels, Geneva and across the world and/or the repackaging and dissemination via ANI and obscure local media networks – at least in 97 countries – to multiply the repetition of online negative content about countries in conflict with India, in particular Pakistan". After the disclosure of India's anti-Pakistan propaganda campaign, Washington-based US analyst Michael Kugelman tweeted: "The scale and duration of the EU/UN-centered Indian disinformation campaign exposed by @DisinfoEU is staggering. Imagine how the world would be reacting if this were, say, a Russian or Chinese operation".


Firehose of Falsehood:
What Kugelman calls "Russian Operation" appears to be a reference to a US government-funded think tank RAND Corporation's report entitled "The Russian "Firehose of Falsehood" Propaganda Model". Here is an except of the RAND report:
"Russian propaganda is produced in incredibly large volumes and is broadcast or otherwise distributed via a large number of channels. This propaganda includes text, video, audio, and still imagery propagated via the Internet, social media, satellite television, and traditional radio and television broadcasting. The producers and disseminators include a substantial force of paid Internet “trolls” who also often attack or undermine views or information that runs counter to Russian themes, doing so through online chat rooms, discussion forums, and comments sections on news and other websites".
EU Disinformation Lab Report on India's Disinformation Campaign Against Pakistan


Indian Political Unity Against Pakistan:
Former US President Barack Obama has observed that “Expressing hostility toward Pakistan was still the quickest route to national unity (in India)”. The Indian disinformation campaign is a manifestation of Indians' political unity against Pakistan. EU Disinfo Lab has found that Indian Chronicles is a 15-year-long campaign that started in 2005 on former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's watch, well before Prime Minister Narendra Modi's election to India's highest office in 2014. It has grown to over 750 fake media outlets covering 119 countries. There are over 750 domain names, some in the name of dead people and others using stolen identities. Here is an excerpt of EU Disinfo Lab's report:
"The creation of fake media in Brussels, Geneva and across the world and/or the repackaging and dissemination via ANI and obscure local media networks – at least in 97 countries – to multiply the repetition of online negative content about countries in conflict with India, in particular Pakistan".

Summary:

India with its massive disinformation campaign against Pakistan appears to be following what a US think tank RAND calls "Firehose of Falsehoods". Pakistani policymakers charged with countering the Indian propaganda should read the RAND report "Firehose of Falsehoods" for its 5 specific recommendations to the US government to effectively respond to the Russian disinformation campaign. In particular they should heed its key advice: "All other things being equal, messages received in greater volume and from more sources will be more persuasive.......Don't expect to counter Russia's firehose of falsehoods with the squirt gun of truth. Instead, put raincoats on those at whom the firehose is aimed"

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Can some of you mass report this twitter account it belongs to indian hackers hacking Pakistani stuff...

 

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And yet, certain segments of Pakistani news channels, members of the public and political realm, continue to watch bollywood filth, listen to ratsy indian music copied of other original songs of other countries, worship ratsy indian cricketers and bollywood celebrities.

When will the People of Pakistan become Muslim? When will they be proud of their identity as Pakistanis? When will stop wagging their tails around pseudo brotherhood so-called Muslim states like the Najdis, Turks or Azeris and start focusing on real Muslims of the time of our beloved Prophet Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam?

We bicker and fight over pathetic topics, when what we ought to be doing is striving to preserve our Imaan through studying the Noble Qur'an, following the Sunnah of Nabi Muhammad Alaihi Salaat-u-Wassalam and pursuing education in Science, Medicine, Engineering, Mathematics and other fields.

Wake up my fellow countrymen, wake up!!!!
 

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