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It will be is a straw man argument.

India is destined to reclaim its own territory. The ball has already started rolling.


Doesnt look like the Chinese have alien technology 🤣🤣🤣
So it’s wishful thinking again. 70 years on India has not been able to neutralize a much smaller Pakistan yet you dream of taking on a superpower! The Chinese have liberated 1000s of square kilometers without firing a shot. They even made india return the heights on the Indian occupied southern bank of pyangon tso. That does sound like retreat. To draw a parallel, Pakistan is Fighting India on Saichin 18,000 feet high since Saichin is Pakistan. Why is India so weak

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a more alternative reality by showing us youtube warriors, lol.

stop- really, this kind of stuff is good for your echo chamber. I'm not your audience
Well my friend Pakistan has been around for over 70 years, it has fought 3 wars with India and India accuses Pakistan without any evidence of attacking her parliament, killing her soldiers and helping the Kashmiri people realize how much better their life Wil be when they return to Pakistan.

why does India not militarily take over Pakistan or even Kashmir ? Pakistan is a weak country 1/4 th the size of India, or 1/8th the size of the population.

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Well my friend Pakistan has been around for over 70 years, it has fought 3 wars with India and India accuses Pakistan without any evidence of attacking her parliament, killing her soldiers and helping the Kashmiri people realize how much better their life Wil be when they return to Pakistan.

why does India not militarily take over Pakistan or even Kashmir ? Pakistan is a weak country 1/4 th the size of India, or 1/8th the size of the population.

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what does Pakistan-India issue have to do with this topic? you are more Chinese than the Chinese themselves, falling all over yourself to defend them. I'm not your audience
 

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what does Pakistan-India issue have to do with this topic? you are more Chinese than the Chinese themselves, falling all over yourself to defend them. I'm not your audience
I thought we were discussing things , that’s why you were posting on the PAKISTANI DEFENSE FORUM. I did not realize that you intention was to create strife and not a substantive discussion 😳

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So it’s wishful thinking again. 70 years on India has not been able to neutralize a much smaller Pakistan yet you dream of taking on a superpower! The Chinese have liberated 1000s of square kilometers without firing a shot. They even made india return the heights on the Indian occupied southern bank of pyangon tso. That does sound like retreat. To draw a parallel, Pakistan is Fighting India on Saichin 18,000 feet high since Saichin is Pakistan. Why is India so weak

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its as wishful as Palestine. Siachen is India on the rocks and Pakistan is still at the entrance looking to sneak in.
The Chinese and Indian learned planners know things that only can be observed if not accessed from a vantage point.

e.g The LAC is not LOC with Pakistan or IB for that matter. It’s not a line it’s a highlight marker dating back pre independence for both of us.
The macmohan line can more or less be compared with Durand line you have with afghans.

The Chinese try to do what we call “salami slicing “ and you are right, they have been successful until 2014.
But they tested blood in Doklam, baying for it they tried it in Ladakh, again they got beaten.

let’s say they do that again trust me our positions are much closer to the claim line to mobilise meats and bones much faster than they can realise.

I know they will but they also know we will do..,.
 

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its as wishful as Palestine. Siachen is India on the rocks and Pakistan is still at the entrance looking to sneak in.
The Chinese and Indian learned planners know things that only can be observed if not accessed from a vantage point.

e.g The LAC is not LOC with Pakistan or IB for that matter. It’s not a line it’s a highlight marker dating back pre independence for both of us.
The macmohan line can more or less be compared with Durand line you have with afghans.

The Chinese try to do what we call “salami slicing “ and you are right, they have been successful until 2014.
But they tested blood in Doklam, baying for it they tried it in Ladakh, again they got beaten.

let’s say they do that again trust me our positions are much closer to the claim line to mobilise meats and bones much faster than they can realise.

I know they will but they also know we will do..,.
So the typ sao planes is where the Chinese have moved 13 kms observing and in a commanding position to cut off the dbo road. This would mean that China and Pakistan would have the ability to cut the supplies for the Indian troops in DBO / airfield and base + cut off the supply to Saichin. That would make keeping troops in both areas very difficult snd May result in a conflict in the spring.

the Chinese objective in Kashmir is to eject India from DBO and Saichin, build a major road via skurdu for year round travel to connect with CPEC. This may or may not cause the Chinese to move the LOC anther30-50 Kms inside Indian occupied Kashmir. So they can ensure it’s out of Indian artillery range. CPEC routs are the life blood of Pakistan and China. The train links all the way to Iran, Turkey and Europe via gawadar will provide a year round land route for energy and supplies to Europe. So expect a lot more action in Kashmir.

Pakistan’s buying a large number of sh-15 so artillery 18 regiments and 200+ Vt-4 tanks equal to 13 tank regiments and over 200 armed drones with local build capability. And higher surveillance with balloon radars. This will mean we are clearly preparing for a mountain war. The objective would be to gain territory quickly and stop at the 50 km mark on the western side of the LoC skurdu, Kargil etc. this is for CPEC.
The Pyongyang tso thing was a distractions but the Indian side folded early. You will now see more Kashmiri regiments come out and be used to reinforce anchal pardesh and galwan. The Chinese will push you harder there.

Thinking out the Kashmiri defense.
In the next 2 years you will see Pakistan prepare and by 2023 with a much larger navy, highly reinforced artillery and a massive armor buildup around a 1000 new tanks , 75 jf-17 block 3 - 50 j-10ce and 72 f-16s + the 100+ mirages and 300-400 armed drones will be a substantial deterrent from moving forces from the eastern Pakistan border.

the question really is how much of Kashmir is India willing to lose to protect Delhi, see if you read chankia he speaks about not giving access to your enemies and India in its wisdom had not built roads and infrastructure in the north as this was the main reason why the Chineses stoped in 1962. Now Modi in his weird infatuation with the military has decided to go against this wisdom. Giving the Chinese a significant advantage in mobility to flank Indian troops on the eastern front. This is the downside of not having a thinker in leadership.

kawa chala hans ki chaal spin chaal bhi Bhool giya

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So the typ sao planes is where the Chinese have moved 13 kms observing and in a commanding position to cut off the dbo road. This would mean that China and Pakistan would have the ability to cut the supplies for the Indian troops in DBO / airfield and base + cut off the supply to Saichin. That would make keeping troops in both areas very difficult snd May result in a conflict in the spring.

the Chinese objective in Kashmir is to eject India from DBO and Saichin, build a major road via skurdu for year round travel to connect with CPEC. This may or may not cause the Chinese to move the LOC anther30-50 Kms inside Indian occupied Kashmir. So they can ensure it’s out of Indian artillery range. CPEC routs are the life blood of Pakistan and China. The train links all the way to Iran, Turkey and Europe via gawadar will provide a year round land route for energy and supplies to Europe. So expect a lot more action in Kashmir.

Pakistan’s buying a large number of sh-15 so artillery 18 regiments and 200+ Vt-4 tanks equal to 13 tank regiments and over 200 armed drones with local build capability. And higher surveillance with balloon radars. This will mean we are clearly preparing for a mountain war. The objective would be to gain territory quickly and stop at the 50 km mark on the western side of the LoC skurdu, Kargil etc. this is for CPEC.
The Pyongyang tso thing was a distractions but the Indian side folded early. You will now see more Kashmiri regiments come out and be used to reinforce anchal pardesh and galwan. The Chinese will push you harder there.

Thinking out the Kashmiri defense.
In the next 2 years you will see Pakistan prepare and by 2023 with a much larger navy, highly reinforced artillery and a massive armor buildup around a 1000 new tanks , 75 jf-17 block 3 - 50 j-10ce and 72 f-16s + the 100+ mirages and 300-400 armed drones will be a substantial deterrent from moving forces from the eastern Pakistan border.

the question really is how much of Kashmir is India willing to lose to protect Delhi, see if you read chankia he speaks about not giving access to your enemies and India in its wisdom had not built roads and infrastructure in the north as this was the main reason why the Chineses stoped in 1962. Now Modi in his weird infatuation with the military has decided to go against this wisdom. Giving the Chinese a significant advantage in mobility to flank Indian troops on the eastern front. This is the downside of not having a thinker in leadership.

kawa chala hans ki chaal spin chaal bhi Bhool giya

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You have me all confused. But about that 2023 jab.

The issue one might call it a blessing, that Pakistan has a military which acts on its own and the Chinese PLA works and comes directly under the communist party.

where Indian armed wing and its allegiance is to Indian constitution and no one else. It’s a people’s army devoid of politics.

so it’s advantage 1 for both Pakistan and China.

But that doesn’t stop Indian forces to take tactical decisions on its own such as Doklam, mayanmr, or Ladakh.

please don’t forget that the Indian short comings is well augmented by QUAD. I won’t delve more into the details here but know that a 10000 tank and cock and bull don’t matter

what matters is real time intelligence. China has it , Pakistan doesn’t.

its 8:1

survive.
 

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You have me all confused. But about that 2023 jab.

The issue one might call it a blessing, that Pakistan has a military which acts on its own and the Chinese PLA works and comes directly under the communist party.

where Indian armed wing and its allegiance is to Indian constitution and no one else. It’s a people’s army devoid of politics.

so it’s advantage 1 for both Pakistan and China.

But that doesn’t stop Indian forces to take tactical decisions on its own such as Doklam, mayanmr, or Ladakh.

please don’t forget that the Indian short comings is well augmented by QUAD. I won’t delve more into the details here but know that a 10000 tank and cock and bull don’t matter

what matters is real time intelligence. China has it , Pakistan doesn’t.

its 8:1

survive.
But Chinese have been sharing everything and like the west pay the Pakistani’s to take care of India. You do know that most of the tests of the Pakistani strategic systems recently are for a switch to bidue. We get the military resolution of Bidue and have access to deep Chinese technology surveillance. In return Pakistan shares its extensive human intelligence. There is a reason floods and the monsoon in India is controlled by the ISI we planted our weather machines in India way back in 1972.

by 2023 significant upgrade of our military would have taken place and China would have 4 aircraft carrier strike groups helping tie up significant portions of the Indian navy in the Indian Ocean.

what Happened for the last 25 years is the transformation of Indian from a perceived secular state to a bigoted Country. Such a country needs an enemy and In India’s case it was Pakistan. This obsession made India’s military and foreignness policy all about Pakistan. Instead of India making peace with her Neibiour’s and making them part of their value chain to complete against, USA, Japan, Germany to become an economic superpower. it went on a confrontational front with its Neibiour’s like Pakistan. It brought nuclear weapons out in the open in South Asia and more. This obsession caused the Indian military to transform to fight an invisible enemy and the threat perception of fighting a war shifted to COIN. This shift in focus turned india into a country like Pakistan which too is too focused on security. Which resulted in both India and Pakistan building a counter to each other and wasting resources and focus. This allowed China to in the meanwhile focus and become an economic and military superpower. This super power played with the space India created and instead of Pakistan and her economy investing in India’s rise our natural ally we are now going to help China become a ultra duper power inshallah. All their all year round trade will go through Pakistan’s warm water ports. Europe has already abandoned India, the US will do the same as they always do, Paksitan was part of CeTO and CeNtO and when the time came they abandoned us, just like they abandoned North Korea, Vietnam, the list is very long.

The Quad is a disaster for bigoted India as to join, it would need to abandoned the non alighted movement and move to the American camp. This would mean 95 % of your military which is Russian technology based will lose its access to spares and proficiency overnight. QUAD is anti Russian imagine what will happen to India without spares, resupply equipment sabotage and most of all Russian kill switches being activated during war.👹

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