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Why the fall of Afghanistan is bad news for India’s war on terror


Why the fall of Afghanistan is bad news for India’s war on terror
It offers Pakistan a potential rear echelon base for its proxy war and a rich source of captured military equipment and fighters

Sandeep Unnithan
New DelhiAugust 15, 2021UPDATED: August 16, 2021 11:27 IST


A U.S. Chinook helicopter flies over the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Aug. 15, 2021. Helicopters are landing at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul as diplomatic vehicles leave the compound amid the Taliban advanced on the Afghan capital; AP/PTI Photo


"Kal Roos ko bikharta dekha tha, Aaj India tootta dekhenge. Hum barq-e-jihad ke sholon Mein, America ko jalta dekhenge"


(We saw Russia disintegrate. Now we will see India fall apart. In the flames of jehad, we will see America ablaze)
I found these lines scrawled in Urdu with the legend ‘Mujahideen ki lalkar (war cry of the Mujahideen)’--in a notebook in Afghanistan in December 2001. It was in a former military camp called Rish Khor, around 10 kilometres north of Kabul. It would have been unusual to find an Urdu notebook in a country where Dari is the main language. Pakistan, where the language is widely spoken, is over 200 kilometres away. The notebook, which I later had translated in New Delhi, had once belonged to a Pakistani student recruit. The camp was a former terror training academy run by Al Qaeda-trained recruits from Pakistan. They had been sent there by various Pakistani jihadist tanzeems, including the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and the Al Qaeda-affiliated Harkat-ul Jihad Islami (HuJI). It was run by one Qari Saifullah Mehsud, who was also a key figure in HuJI.
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...istan-get-degrees-in-murder-796136-2002-01-21

An INDIA TODAY team visited this camp two months after the Taliban had been routed and a new interim administration headed by President Hamid Karzai installed in Kabul. Rish Khor was one of several such camps set up across the country. At one of several such camps in the late 1990s, a Pakistani Al Qaeda operative named Khalid Shaikh Mohammad hatched the plot to use hijacked airliners to destroy the Twin Towers, Capitol Hill and the Pentagon. These attacks in which 2,977 people were killed, led to the invasion of Afghanistan by the US and its allies. In October 2001, the camp had been bombed to rubble by US fighter jets taking off from aircraft carriers parked in the Arabian Sea and B-52s flying in from the Indian Ocean island fortress of Diego Garcia.

On the night of November 11, 2001, the Taliban melted away without a fight and the coalition forces captured the capital.

Two decades later, the wheel is turning full circle. The hasty pullout of US forces from Afghanistan has accelerated its recapture by the Taliban. Surging out of their bases in western Pakistan, the advancing Taliban have met with little or no resistance. The 300,000-strong Afghan National Army (ANA) has disappeared and capital Kabul has been encircled and could fall anytime now. There now exists the very real prospect of the Taliban’s dual-tone flags fluttering over Afghanistan before September 11, 2021, the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

The fall of Afghanistan marks one of the catastrophic failures of US military intelligence. US-based counter-terrorism expert Bill Roggio tweeted on August 14 that “US military intelligence leaders are directly responsible for the biggest intelligence failures since Tet in 1968 (the Viet Cong’s offensive into South Vietnam). How did the Taliban plan, organise, position and execute this massive nationwide offensive under the noses of USMIL, CIA, DIA, NDS, ANDSF etc.” The fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban could have wider ramifications for the world in general and India in particular.

The Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 1979 saw eight years of a resistance movement backed by the US. The war ended with the withdrawal of Soviet troops in 1988. The years that followed saw Pakistan’s deep state diverting vast stockpiles of ex-Afghan War arms and ammunition into Kashmir in the late 1980s to fight a proxy war that continues till date. The Afghan war honed and refined the deep state’s ability to wage covert war and also to understand how political Islam could be weaponised by proxy forces. Pakistani terrorist outfits like the LeT, HuJI and HuM were in fact set up inside Afghanistan to fight the Soviet occupation forces but were used by the deep state against India. Pakistan’s deep state again played a key role in raising and training the Taliban from among Pashtun areas of eastern and southern Afghanistan.

The Taliban Emirate that ruled Afghanistan between 1996 and 2001 offered sanctuary to jihadist groups from across the world, from Chechnya to the Philippines, and, of course, Al Qaeda, which fled its sanctuary in Sudan in 1996 to become an honoured state guest of the Taliban’s Mullah Omar. Thousands of terrorists trained in Afghanistan went on to fight in other battlegrounds across the world. The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, its subsequent disintegration and the attacks on the US emboldened these groups.

The fall of the Taliban in 2001 ended the use of Afghanistan as a terror base. That reality could now return to Afghanistan. Reports suggest that several British nationals had travelled to fight alongside the Taliban. The last time this happened was between 2014 and 2017 when a terrorist group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) operating in Syria and Iraq, controlled a territory the size of Great Britain in both countries. ISIS actively solicited recruits from across the world and over 10,000 persons are thought to have travelled to its territories. The prospect of Afghanistan becoming another nursery for terrorist groups is what could cause serious worry in New Delhi. In 1999, four Pakistanis hijacked Indian Airlines flight IC 814 from Kathmandu and diverted it to Kandahar in Afghanistan. There, protected by the Taliban, the hijackers secured the release of terrorist leaders Maulana Masood Azhar, Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar and Omar Saeed Sheikh in exchange for the 150 airline passengers.

Azhar went on to launch his terrorist outfit, the Jaish-e-Mohammed, responsible for sensational terrorist attacks, including the December 2001 attack on India’s Parliament. More recently, the JeM claimed responsibility for the February 14, 2019 suicide bombing at Pulwama in which 40 CRPF troopers were killed. On February 26, IAF jets bombed the JeM training camp in Balakot, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, in retaliation to the attack. The prospect of Pakistan moving its camps into Afghanistan—away from the range of retaliatory attacks by India--is one of the scenarios that cannot be wished away. There is also the danger of warehouses of sophisticated arms and ammunition the Taliban captured from the Afghan government forces being sold or diverted to India-specific militant groups. The prospect of battle-hardened foot soldiers being infiltrated to fight in India remains a distinct possibility.

The presence of the US in Pakistan and Afghanistan meant Indian agencies could access intelligence relating to these two countries. Indian intelligence agencies cooperated closely with their counterparts in Afghanistan’s external intelligence agency, the National Directorate of Security. All that will come to an end now. A former Indian intelligence official compares the situation as akin to someone turning off the lights in those countries. These developments add a worrying new dimension for India’s war on Pakistan-based terror.
Indians and NDS(Afghans) who believed in Indian machinations in the region both deluded the Americans and led them astray. The Americans themselves were deluded as well.

Misguidance upon misguidance.

Surah Ibrahim very eloquently talks about how Shaitan on day of judgement will say I did not do anything but you yourself were deluded. This is what India has done to Americans and other goras in Afghanistan.
 
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I hope Pakistan has learnt its lesson and wont repeat the same mistakes again. Also, now there is FATF to take care of.
There is one thing they consistently do is make the same mistakes over and over.

On the plus side though, the Taliban is not a matter we should be worried about right now rather the terrorists in our country. One key point that's missed is, as soon as the US announced a withdrawal from Afghanistan we removed Article 370, at the time it looked like an unnecessary mess created but it make sense right now seeing the fallout in Afghanistan. Cleaning up JKP and the beaurocricy is the key.
 

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Why the fall of Afghanistan is bad news for India’s war on terror


Why the fall of Afghanistan is bad news for India’s war on terror
It offers Pakistan a potential rear echelon base for its proxy war and a rich source of captured military equipment and fighters

Sandeep Unnithan
New DelhiAugust 15, 2021UPDATED: August 16, 2021 11:27 IST


A U.S. Chinook helicopter flies over the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan, on Aug. 15, 2021. Helicopters are landing at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul as diplomatic vehicles leave the compound amid the Taliban advanced on the Afghan capital; AP/PTI Photo


"Kal Roos ko bikharta dekha tha, Aaj India tootta dekhenge. Hum barq-e-jihad ke sholon Mein, America ko jalta dekhenge"


(We saw Russia disintegrate. Now we will see India fall apart. In the flames of jehad, we will see America ablaze)
I found these lines scrawled in Urdu with the legend ‘Mujahideen ki lalkar (war cry of the Mujahideen)’--in a notebook in Afghanistan in December 2001. It was in a former military camp called Rish Khor, around 10 kilometres north of Kabul. It would have been unusual to find an Urdu notebook in a country where Dari is the main language. Pakistan, where the language is widely spoken, is over 200 kilometres away. The notebook, which I later had translated in New Delhi, had once belonged to a Pakistani student recruit. The camp was a former terror training academy run by Al Qaeda-trained recruits from Pakistan. They had been sent there by various Pakistani jihadist tanzeems, including the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) and the Al Qaeda-affiliated Harkat-ul Jihad Islami (HuJI). It was run by one Qari Saifullah Mehsud, who was also a key figure in HuJI.
https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/...istan-get-degrees-in-murder-796136-2002-01-21

An INDIA TODAY team visited this camp two months after the Taliban had been routed and a new interim administration headed by President Hamid Karzai installed in Kabul. Rish Khor was one of several such camps set up across the country. At one of several such camps in the late 1990s, a Pakistani Al Qaeda operative named Khalid Shaikh Mohammad hatched the plot to use hijacked airliners to destroy the Twin Towers, Capitol Hill and the Pentagon. These attacks in which 2,977 people were killed, led to the invasion of Afghanistan by the US and its allies. In October 2001, the camp had been bombed to rubble by US fighter jets taking off from aircraft carriers parked in the Arabian Sea and B-52s flying in from the Indian Ocean island fortress of Diego Garcia.

On the night of November 11, 2001, the Taliban melted away without a fight and the coalition forces captured the capital.

Two decades later, the wheel is turning full circle. The hasty pullout of US forces from Afghanistan has accelerated its recapture by the Taliban. Surging out of their bases in western Pakistan, the advancing Taliban have met with little or no resistance. The 300,000-strong Afghan National Army (ANA) has disappeared and capital Kabul has been encircled and could fall anytime now. There now exists the very real prospect of the Taliban’s dual-tone flags fluttering over Afghanistan before September 11, 2021, the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

The fall of Afghanistan marks one of the catastrophic failures of US military intelligence. US-based counter-terrorism expert Bill Roggio tweeted on August 14 that “US military intelligence leaders are directly responsible for the biggest intelligence failures since Tet in 1968 (the Viet Cong’s offensive into South Vietnam). How did the Taliban plan, organise, position and execute this massive nationwide offensive under the noses of USMIL, CIA, DIA, NDS, ANDSF etc.” The fall of Afghanistan to the Taliban could have wider ramifications for the world in general and India in particular.

The Soviet invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 1979 saw eight years of a resistance movement backed by the US. The war ended with the withdrawal of Soviet troops in 1988. The years that followed saw Pakistan’s deep state diverting vast stockpiles of ex-Afghan War arms and ammunition into Kashmir in the late 1980s to fight a proxy war that continues till date. The Afghan war honed and refined the deep state’s ability to wage covert war and also to understand how political Islam could be weaponised by proxy forces. Pakistani terrorist outfits like the LeT, HuJI and HuM were in fact set up inside Afghanistan to fight the Soviet occupation forces but were used by the deep state against India. Pakistan’s deep state again played a key role in raising and training the Taliban from among Pashtun areas of eastern and southern Afghanistan.

The Taliban Emirate that ruled Afghanistan between 1996 and 2001 offered sanctuary to jihadist groups from across the world, from Chechnya to the Philippines, and, of course, Al Qaeda, which fled its sanctuary in Sudan in 1996 to become an honoured state guest of the Taliban’s Mullah Omar. Thousands of terrorists trained in Afghanistan went on to fight in other battlegrounds across the world. The Soviet defeat in Afghanistan, its subsequent disintegration and the attacks on the US emboldened these groups.

The fall of the Taliban in 2001 ended the use of Afghanistan as a terror base. That reality could now return to Afghanistan. Reports suggest that several British nationals had travelled to fight alongside the Taliban. The last time this happened was between 2014 and 2017 when a terrorist group, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) operating in Syria and Iraq, controlled a territory the size of Great Britain in both countries. ISIS actively solicited recruits from across the world and over 10,000 persons are thought to have travelled to its territories. The prospect of Afghanistan becoming another nursery for terrorist groups is what could cause serious worry in New Delhi. In 1999, four Pakistanis hijacked Indian Airlines flight IC 814 from Kathmandu and diverted it to Kandahar in Afghanistan. There, protected by the Taliban, the hijackers secured the release of terrorist leaders Maulana Masood Azhar, Mushtaq Ahmed Zargar and Omar Saeed Sheikh in exchange for the 150 airline passengers.

Azhar went on to launch his terrorist outfit, the Jaish-e-Mohammed, responsible for sensational terrorist attacks, including the December 2001 attack on India’s Parliament. More recently, the JeM claimed responsibility for the February 14, 2019 suicide bombing at Pulwama in which 40 CRPF troopers were killed. On February 26, IAF jets bombed the JeM training camp in Balakot, Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa, in retaliation to the attack. The prospect of Pakistan moving its camps into Afghanistan—away from the range of retaliatory attacks by India--is one of the scenarios that cannot be wished away. There is also the danger of warehouses of sophisticated arms and ammunition the Taliban captured from the Afghan government forces being sold or diverted to India-specific militant groups. The prospect of battle-hardened foot soldiers being infiltrated to fight in India remains a distinct possibility.

The presence of the US in Pakistan and Afghanistan meant Indian agencies could access intelligence relating to these two countries. Indian intelligence agencies cooperated closely with their counterparts in Afghanistan’s external intelligence agency, the National Directorate of Security. All that will come to an end now. A former Indian intelligence official compares the situation as akin to someone turning off the lights in those countries. These developments add a worrying new dimension for India’s war on Pakistan-based terror.
China should recognize the Afghan Taliban right away. That will give China a huge diplomatic victory in the region.
I am not trying to compare China to the backward country of India, but if China fills in the void. India will have nothing to influence.
 

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It ain't bad for India. It's just that we dont like Taliban. (We may recognize them in near future though).

We are only worried about terrorism really. The last time when Taliban ruled Afghanistan and Pakistan tried doing the proxy thingy from there (you know, good terrorist and bad terrorists logic), it cost 60k Pakistani lives in the years that followed!

I hope Pakistan has learnt its lesson and wont repeat the same mistakes again. Also, now there is FATF to take care of.
Pakistan is least of your problem. Worry about Kashmir and your 200 million muslims. They just learnt a lesson how a bigger power can be defeated. Learn to live with death of a million cuts. Let Modi do what he is doing and let Yogi do what he is doing, sit back and wait.
There is one thing they consistently do is make the same mistakes over and over.

On the plus side though, the Taliban is not a matter we should be worried about right now rather the terrorists in our country. One key point that's missed is, as soon as the US announced a withdrawal from Afghanistan we removed Article 370, at the time it looked like an unnecessary mess created but it make sense right now seeing the fallout in Afghanistan. Cleaning up JKP and the beaurocricy is the key.
In the last couple of year, you guys had your a$$ kicked after the Balakot incident, then the Chinese gave it to you in Ladakh, then Modi gave it to all India with his mishandling of the Covid pandemic, now the Taleban gave it to your stooges in Kabul and your plans against Pakistan. I know it is hurting, but please don’t show it in public.

India just had a major proxy war defeat. Don’t come to a Pakistani forum and act like Mr. know it all, because you or your government don’t know squat. Show some humility and go back to your hole and don’t expose yourself to more humiliation.
 
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Been saying for years, these facades of Afghan government, Afghan army, NDS, India-Afghan bhai bhai non sense, they all had one factor in common, America. Take America out of equation, everything will fall apart, and this is EXACTLY what we are witnessing now. America has been giving its shoulders to India to fire its guns against Pakistan all along.
 

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It ain't bad for India. It's just that we dont like Taliban. (We may recognize them in near future though).

We are only worried about terrorism really. The last time when Taliban ruled Afghanistan and Pakistan tried doing the proxy thingy from there (you know, good terrorist and bad terrorists logic), it cost 60k Pakistani lives in the years that followed!

I hope Pakistan has learnt its lesson and wont repeat the same mistakes again. Also, now there is FATF to take care of.
Worried....ask a kashmiri...he will tell you that you are the terrorist. Ask people of Assam and tamil Nadu. India is the terror state... so stop waffling
 

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Worried....ask a kashmiri...he will tell you that you are the terrorist. Ask people of Assam and tamil Nadu. India is the terror state... so stop waffling
People easily forget osama was like a celebrity living in Pakistan. When pakis allege other nations of terrorism, it's not even funny.
 

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People easily forget osama was like a celebrity living in Pakistan. When pakis allege other nations of terrorism, it's not even funny.
We are pakis....but not sh1t covered piss drinkers like you. And it's Indians accusing rss fascists of terrorism .... occupied Kashmir assam tamil nudu are just an example...now go and stick your foul mouth under a coes behind and drink .... rude indiot
 

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We are pakis....but not sh1t covered piss drinkers like you. And it's Indians accusing rss fascists of terrorism .... occupied Kashmir assam tamil nudu are just an example...now go and stick your foul mouth under a coes behind and drink .... rude indiot
why exactly you keep repeating tamil nadu like a parrot? have you ever been to tamil nadu or understand a single word of tamil? what an idiot! don't sprout your nonsense in open forum if you were thrown around as a baby.
Osama Bin Laden at one point was also shown as a hero in the west.

he is still a hero in pakistan. if he was alive today, he would have been teaching in some madrasa in pakistan.
 

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why exactly you keep repeating tamil nadu like a parrot? have you ever been to tamil nadu or understand a single word of tamil? what an idiot! don't sprout your nonsense in open forum if you were thrown around as a baby.


he is still a hero in pakistan. if he was alive today, he would have been teaching in some madrasa in pakistan.
I have travelled all over India...and no I don't speak tamil bug I have many friends and they hate you and you know it. So idiot when yiu have opinion on pastor's or balouch...have you been there? Do u speak a word or baloch or pashto? Illogical Indian talking crap again. At least I have travelled all over India I bet yiu haven't left your village .

So what if Osama bin Laden is a hero...modi the chip wala terrorist is a leader if India today?

How many men with terrorist label became statement ? Read dumb Indian read .
 

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Worried....ask a kashmiri...he will tell you that you are the terrorist. Ask people of Assam and tamil Nadu. India is the terror state... so stop waffling
Okay.
I asked a Kashmiri and a Tamil (I dont know anyone from Assam), and they unanimously agreed that India is not a terror state.

Do you want me to ask FATF about who is supporting (not taking actions against) the terrorism financing?
 

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I have travelled all over India...and no I don't speak tamil bug I have many friends and they hate you and you know it. So idiot when yiu have opinion on pastor's or balouch...have you been there? Do u speak a word or baloch or pashto? Illogical Indian talking crap again. At least I have travelled all over India I bet yiu haven't left your village .

So what if Osama bin Laden is a hero...modi the chip wala terrorist is a leader if India today?

How many men with terrorist label became statement ? Read dumb Indian read .
I know lot more tamil guys than you will know in your entire life. I live 30km from tamil nadu border (Hosur), we don't need lessons from a mentally challenged ****.
Why are you bringing pastor's or balouch? You seem to have a attention span of a street cat. I couldn't care less about pastor or balouch or any other ****. i never visited pak and never will. this is the first comment I ever used the word "balouch" after joining this forum. I never cared or give a damn about that place.
See I am right about you pakis, worshipping a terrorist. always a terrorist state from the mentality itself.

If you live in UK, I hope UK police/MOD/MDP is keeping note that you worship osama bin laden. maybe being a good citizen, go to the nearest police station and inform them that you find osama a great person.
 

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I know lot more tamil guys than you will know in your entire life. I live 30km from tamil nadu border (Hosur), we don't need lessons from a mentally challenged ****.
Why are you bringing pastor's or balouch? You seem to have a attention span of a street cat. I couldn't care less about pastor or balouch or any other ****. i never visited pak and never will. this is the first comment I ever used the word "balouch" after joining this forum. I never cared or give a damn about that place.
See I am right about you pakis, worshipping a terrorist. always a terrorist state from the mentality itself.

If you live in UK, I hope UK police/MOD/MDP is keeping note that you worship osama bin laden. maybe being a good citizen, go to the nearest police station and inform them that you find osama a great person.
So you are an ugly darkey...lol.
And yiu are here on PDF with you behind on fire because India is losing everywhere. In yiur country yiu have many insurgencies and tamils hate you.

You say yiu don't care but yiu are here sniffing. And I am getting to you that's why you are screaming loooool.

UK or New Delhi.. .... losers are losers and yiu are a loser. India is a loser ... u r pathetic.

Now shit down and have cup of fresh how cow cola
 

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