• Thursday, November 21, 2019

Indian Newspaper The Hindu Admits India Provides Medical Treatment to BLA Terrorists

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  1. Chhatrapati

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    He's not declared terrorist by any organization when he visited. Besides no members of banned groups take asylum in India. Neither we sponsor them, I guess that's how we had a clean image since er the LTTE.

    We have no groups sporting on any banned groups list. (Except the anti state forces).
     
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    We had been telling india they are terrorist, but india was busy providing them first aid and declaring them as not terrorists?

    So when US declares them, the same person somehow becomes a terrorist? What's india's criteria for a terrorist? Coz that guy didnt become a terrorist overnight nor only when US declared BLA....so basically, india was aiding a mass murderer who we called terrorist for years but india denied...Long story short india did "treat" / provide medical treatment to terrorists! We also have stories where indians were very proudly claiming they are helping BLA...and always claiming Pakistan is oppressing BALOCHI "terrorists", killing innocent "terrorists"..

    So all it takes is US to declare XYZ as a terrorist irrespective of the member and groups actions?

    Very irresponsible and dense in my opinion! Either that or purposefully aiding terrorist against Pakistan as a version of indian proxy wars?
     
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    But you didn't give a list of banned passengers. You didn't even had an Interpol red corner notice. We are not friendly countries so don't expect extradition or arresting them when they land even if we know who they are. There is no legal requirement to arrest them.

    It's a due process. You didn't arrest Masood Azhar, or AI plane hijackers when he clearly was wanted for terrorism in India, you even let go the Hijackers of AI flight, the reason you said was 'they don't have any pending criminal case against them in Pakistan and no extradition treaty with India' so tell me a good reason why we should arrest them because they are terrorist in Pakistan. The reason maybe, they don't have any pending case against them in India and no extradition treaty with Pakistan. And there is no incentives on giving wanted terrorists to Pakistan. You sponsor militants in India. Why should we arrest your wanted terrorists.

    I get what you meant, yes I'm not saying these are ideal things to do. Why not Pakistan didn't do the due process, issue red corner notice. We will hand him to interpol and interpol will hand him to you. But no, you simply sat on it. Comes up with an old photo where he attended a hospital for medical treatment on a fake Afghan passport.

    Maybe irresponsible, but he is not a threat to us. We didn't grant him any asylum or funds. They thrive on Afghan Talibans and their poppy trade (destroying youngsters from FATA up to Indian Punjab). Pakistan support Afghan Taliban so who's really responsible for all these?
     
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    Lolz..then indian intelligence is terrible! That it allowed indians to finance terrorists on their own soil!

    very laughable...india has refused to sit down...

    You people patch up terrorists and then wonder why there is terrorist activities on your soil? We told you many times stop funding BLA...stop your proxies in Balochistan! My guess is you knew and you guys tried to utilize a rouge group that blew up in your land a few times... and now US called them terrorist you are pretending not to know...If you claim you dont know then your intelligence is pretty useless!

    Are you claiming just coz a terrorist is no threat to you it is ok to fund and patch him up and cry fake tears with him about Balouch resistance (terrorizing our people?)

    He paid for his treatment? where are the receipts?
    No we dont...even our institutions claim we only support OUR pakhtoon brothers...no one else....we havent been friends with Afghan forever wonder who told you we support them?
     
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    Masood Azhar was a Pakistani national who came back to Pakistan..

    BLA terrorists are also Pakistani nationals who are residing in India..
     
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    Indians are very proud of their support to bengali terrorists , only with the help of bengali terrorists they were able to take on Pakistan , ever since that they have been attempting the same tactic of supporting one or the other terrorist group against Pakistan

    When they try to do something without terrorist outfits like mukhti bani and BLA then they end up getting shot down out of the skies and kicked and dragged on ground
     
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  7. Chhatrapati

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    There are no BLA terrorists residing in India.

    Masood Azhar was caught from India while trying to solve an infighting between two terror groups. His brother later hijacked an AI flight to free him and later both escaped to Pakistan vs a BLA cartoon with Afghan passport treated in Indian hospital and currently not in India.

    Maybe, we don't hear much stories about their heroic actions in Afghanistan. Or are too insignificant to even to be relevant there.

    What is laughable in that? That your agencies didn't bother to put a warrant on your top wanted terrorist?

    More accusations, he maybe your terrorists. Why it should be our problem? We were never been accused of sponsoring BLA, or any sort of Talibans. Apart from Pakistan, can you show me any other agencies who directly or indirectly put blame on India over terrorism in Pakistan?

    Did any agencies find a money trail of Indian funding? Either R&AW is damn good at covering it's tracks, or there is no such 'track'. Patch em up, sure.

    It's not that we know every cartoon in Pakistan who is ready to blow up, there are countless ones.

    Ask the terrorist when you find him.
    Nice, it's totally believable given you are the country who backed legitimate rule of Taliban over Afghanistan and you haven't been friends with Afghan civilian government. Also, US accuse you every now and then for harboring them, including Mullah Omar and aiding Haqqani network. British intel accuse you of playing the double game. It's not too hard to believe that you support them in one way or other. The US called you out on it multiple times.
     
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    You didn't understand what I said probably.

    There is a whole lot of difference between the two cases. First is about a man who came back to his own country where there were no cases against him and there was no extradition treaty between the countries. Even if there was, there would have been so many legal complications involved.

    Second case is about terrorists getting treatment in India and those terrorists have Pakistan nationality. No extradition treaty is required in that case unless India gives them refuge legally. Then international laws come into effect and Interpol gets involved. In Masood Azhar’s case, India couldn't get Interpol warrants for the same reason.. Masood wasn't an Indian national and if he has runaway from your prison and have come back to Pakistan, where there's no legal case against him, your country can't do jack. Similarly, if kalbhushan runs away and enters India tomorrow, Pakistan will not be able to get him back even if there's a treaty between the two countries.

    Now don't say that BLA terrorists don't get temporary residence for different purposes including medical treatment. We all know both of our countries work against each others interests so there's no reason to deny this fact.

    That time is near when even the United States will recognize taliban government in Afghanistan, and India will follow. Just like how India wanted to be part of the on going negotiations with taliban.

    Just like you couldn't find any credible evidence of Pakistani funding for kashmiri mujahideen. I know that you will now say that you guys have proofs.. then similar proofs are with us of the Indian involvement in baluchistan. I told you we both know that we both are involved and there's no reason to act holy.

    Regarding cartoons, we have your monkey.. whose case is in international court which needs to decide whether he should be given consular access or not as his original passport hasn't been handed over to the Pakistani authorities yet.
     
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    We suspected India was financing them one way or another....you do know Americans didn't wake up one day and were like BLA needs to go terror list.... :azn:

    Indian intelligence really lacked any news eh?

    Why is he now labelled terrorist ...only now when America thousands of miles away put him on the list?

    Pakistani agencies claimed of Indian proxy wars we weren't talking about aliens you know...so your neighbour reporting terrorism is not enough you need orders from thousands of miles away boss?

    O indians know...Every now and then you will see indians drag in Balochistan and cry fake tears with them and the so called abuses against the BLA....

    Yet you forget same US also asked our help in negotiating which we also suggested and mediated. ...
     
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    correction substantiated proof of terrorism

    they know you conduct terrorism they just look the other way as they need india.
     
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    They didn't have a Pakistani passport. A lot of Afghan nationals come to India for treatment and medical visas are easy to get when you are from Afghanistan.
    Even if he is a Pakistani, you got to prove he is Pakistani after making a formal request for his arrest. Neither of this happened, just a photo of him being treated in an Indian hospital (after his death) which proves nothing.
    You're free to prove the allegations. Maybe we do, or maybe we don't. I clearly don't know if our government agencies aid them or finance them.
    Oh we did. Tell me why you're in FATF grey list? Why Masood Azhar is on global terrorist list. You openly support them, I mean you don't shy away from supporting the dead militants you put up stamps in their names. Yeah, your government issues stamp on dead militants. Your own former president and general have openly admitted to funding and supporting them. Habeeb Bank in US, a Pakistani government owned bank was fined and forced to shut down for financing terrorists. Your government and allied organizations have a dubious history of such activities, now there is no point in blaming India too, it's too hard to believe India finances terrorism, it is just an allegation by you to justify your actions.

    You keep him, all the evidence against him are fabricated. It's quite easy to do when you have him and torture him to submit to anything. Such evidences don't fly.

    haha you're free to prove them. Why not? You allege we finance terrorism in 'PDF', but you don't follow due process and file a case. We did it successfully in FATF, why not give it a try?:azn:

    heh you didn't ban HM even after US and EU ban them. It's hypocritical for you to even say that.

    I only see it as a knee jerk reaction when Pakistan do the same for Kashmir. It's not a bad strategy. And honestly, we don't care if you kill TTP or BLA guys. Did any Indian official is seen raising concern over dead militants?

    US negotiate with Taliban, so why should I be surprised. They want to exit Afghanistan with minimum damage they need Pakistan. The way I see it, US hold all the cards from securing IMF loan to putting BLA on banned list are just few such steps. If Pakistan don't play the usual double game with US they could benefit, or keep being in trouble. It doesn't matter to us anyway.