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Indian navy under the project P 75I after years of delays and main contanders such as France Germany and Russia pulled over their respective submarines which were initially offered to India.

Now only South Korean KS III and Spanish S80 submarine are in competition

Indian navy now desperately to order from south Korea because they can't wait for new project or new negotiations with french and russians will take longer



Resin for such urgency growing Chinese aircraft battle grouos and submarine fleet

Kilo class subs are at the end of their life time

Scorpene submarine signature data leak compromised their effectiveness

So indian navy is at the lowest in attack submarines

Navy decided to go with south Korean option they worked with German thyseenkruup and have better experience building subs

Spanish subs are not tested and have serious issues soon indian naval daligation to travel south Korea for negotiations

India has good military relation with south Korea

These Korean subs are fully compatible to communicate with us made MH 60 ROMEO and P 8 Poseidon aircrafts
 
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Ermm - what? When? how?
India navy due to shortage of subs soon going to order Korean subs to fill the gap between Chinese and indian navy

Scorpene subs are useless against china becoz china has the data of their leaked aqustic signatures

Before that, a follow on order for 3 Scorpenes are very likely.
No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters
 

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India navy due to shortage of subs soon going to order Korean subs to fill the gap between Chinese and indian navy

Scorpene subs are useless against china becoz china has the data of their leaked aqustic signatures


No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters

Let me correct this..

No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters

Point 1 - Indian submarine was surface and traveling on International water...
Point 2- it is just a propaganda video for the Pakistani public.

NO submarine violates enemy water while on the surface. Even german UBoats were easily getting detected in the later WW2 war by UK, during the battery charge. Many were sunk by UK Aircrafts.

it is not a new technology to detect a submarine while she is surfaced.


Point 3. Few documents also leak from PAF office.. Did it mean that all PAF fighter planes have been compromised?

It has already been confirmed that no major data leak and it will not major impact to Indian submarines.

Yeah, the Chinese are not from the earth.. The reality is that the Chinese navy is not better the Indian navy if we talk about the Indian ocean.

Chinese navy is much stronger than IN but the advantages go off when comes to the Indian ocean. Here, with the support from land base Antiship missiles, Radar, drones, Antisubmarines aircraft, etc.... neutralized Chinese advantages.
 
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This project is a headache for indian navy and very important German govt will take time to now approve the deal after thyseenkruup pulover

also building same German u boats cost effectively India might order from there
 

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Let me correct this..

No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters

Point 1 - Indian submarine was surface and traveling on International water...
Point 2- it is just a propaganda video for the Pakistani public.

NO submarine violates enemy water while on the surface. Even german UBoats were easily getting detected in the later WW2 war by UK, during the battery charge. Many were sunk by UK Aircrafts.

it is not a new technology to detect a submarine while she is surfaced.


Point 3. Few documents also leak from PAF office.. Did it mean that all PAF fighter planes have been compromised?

It has already been confirmed that no major data leak and it will not major impact to Indian submarines.

Yeah, the Chinese are not from the earth.. The reality is that the Chinese navy is not better the Indian navy if we talk about the Indian ocean.

Chinese navy is much stronger than IN but the advantages go off when comes to the Indian ocean. Here, with the support from land base Antiship missiles, Radar, drones, Antisubmarines aircraft, etc.... neutralized Chinese advantages.
So how continuously on tracked your boats in our water regularly
 

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Let me correct this..

No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters

Point 1 - Indian submarine was surface and traveling on International water...
Point 2- it is just a propaganda video for the Pakistani public.

NO submarine violates enemy water while on the surface. Even german UBoats were easily getting detected in the later WW2 war by UK, during the battery charge. Many were sunk by UK Aircrafts.

it is not a new technology to detect a submarine while she is surfaced.


Point 3. Few documents also leak from PAF office.. Did it mean that all PAF fighter planes have been compromised?

It has already been confirmed that no major data leak and it will not major impact to Indian submarines.

Yeah, the Chinese are not from the earth.. The reality is that the Chinese navy is not better the Indian navy if we talk about the Indian ocean.

Chinese navy is much stronger than IN but the advantages go off when comes to the Indian ocean. Here, with the support from land base Antiship missiles, Radar, drones, Antisubmarines aircraft, etc.... neutralized Chinese advantages.
No one leaks signatures really
If a sub is spotted from either side - the acoustics start being recorded from the point they are detected.

1. The sub was on the surface when spotted or submerged is irrelevant. Its screws, its internal noise, electromagnetic emissions etc was all captured and updated in the threat library of pretty much all PN platforms( and conversely all IN platforms if it was a PN sub)

2. Sure - but it also demonstrates how good the PN is getting in picking out IN probing activities and also indicates how active IN subs are in trying to find flanks around Pakistan’s EEZ and shipping lanes in case they have to hunt or mine those waters.

3. Depends upon the severity of the documents
 

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Let me correct this..

No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters

Point 1 - Indian submarine was surface and traveling on International water...
Point 2- it is just a propaganda video for the Pakistani public.

NO submarine violates enemy water while on the surface. Even german UBoats were easily getting detected in the later WW2 war by UK, during the battery charge. Many were sunk by UK Aircrafts.

it is not a new technology to detect a submarine while she is surfaced.


Point 3. Few documents also leak from PAF office.. Did it mean that all PAF fighter planes have been compromised?

It has already been confirmed that no major data leak and it will not major impact to Indian submarines.

Yeah, the Chinese are not from the earth.. The reality is that the Chinese navy is not better the Indian navy if we talk about the Indian ocean.

Chinese navy is much stronger than IN but the advantages go off when comes to the Indian ocean. Here, with the support from land base Antiship missiles, Radar, drones, Antisubmarines aircraft, etc.... neutralized Chinese advantages.


you silly man.

Lets just use some logic ok.

The submarines were detected far off of the coastline, we agree?

the submarines were surfaced in the video? we agree?

this happened three times, three different videos atleast right? we agree?

the PN MPA happened to be in the right place at the right time, three times? Maybe we should play the lottery because that is some insane luck.

Why do i say that? Because the AN/APY-10 has a range of 30nmi against Periscopes, that is MAX range in an ideal environment. Both P3 and ATR72 will have significantly shorter ranges, lets say around 20nmi at best. The PN always happened to be within a 40km radius of an IN submarine, four times when probing our waters? So now tell me, are we just super lucky?
 

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India navy due to shortage of subs soon going to order Korean subs to fill the gap between Chinese and indian navy

Scorpene subs are useless against china becoz china has the data of their leaked aqustic signatures


No scorpene subs aqustic signatures were leaked this is why PN easily spoteed several time lurking in Pakistani waters

Yup, didn't the Australian news outlets leak this? Second most embarrassing IN leak after diving with an SSN with the hatch open !!

Ermm - what? When? how?


Of course - the Defence Ministry in India was furiously back-pedaling.....

 

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No one leaks signatures really
If a sub is spotted from either side - the acoustics start being recorded from the point they are detected.

1. The sub was on the surface when spotted or submerged is irrelevant. Its screws, its internal noise, electromagnetic emissions etc was all captured and updated in the threat library of pretty much all PN platforms( and conversely all IN platforms if it was a PN sub)

2. Sure - but it also demonstrates how good the PN is getting in picking out IN probing activities and also indicates how active IN subs are in trying to find flanks around Pakistan’s EEZ and shipping lanes in case they have to hunt or mine those waters.

3. Depends upon the severity of the documents

Just one question -.

So you really believe that a submarine will enter enemy water while on surface?

Tome, role of submarine is just different.. Keep silent and hidden as they can and perform her role.

Since a surface submarine can easily get detected because she usually does not have EW, radar jammer or other technologies which used by surface ships.

Also, I count only if the submarine is fully submerged, And it detected by the other navy. Example could be during the cuba missile incident the US Navy forced Russian submarine to surface.

I can never believe that a submarine will enter enemy water while on surface. It is possible if they planned for suicide
 
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Just one question -.

So you really believe that a submarine will enter enemy water while on surface?

Tome, role of submarine is just different.. Keep silent and hidden as they can and perform her role.

Since a surface submarine can easily get detected because she usually does not have EW, radar jammer or other technologies which used by surface ships.

Also, I count only if the submarine is fully submerged, And is was detected by the other navy. Just like during the cuba incident the US Navy forced Russian submarine to surface.

I can never believe that a submarine will enter enemy water while on surface
No - I don’t believe either scenario because it depends on what the submarine captain believes in his location to be and if they are having a serious navigation malfunction.
Finally, being on the surface isnt a requirement.. the periscope is enough to spot a sub from tens of miles out if you have detected its general location via undersea sensors located near the coast and triangulation of communications it is sending(and your sub folks are terrible at discipline in this regard).. so a combination of sound signature and electromagnetic emissions puts you in the general 100-200km kill box.

From that point on the P-3C uses its onboard Radar to find the snorkel on the surface separating it from the sea and then just goes after it.

The role of the silent service isn’t the issue - the Kilos can barely manage 10 knots on battery and the Scorpene is still waiting on your indigenous AIP(unless that has changed) so it has to operate at periscope depth to get any sort of cruise speed. So the only time they can go silent is when they have to attack or hide running on batteries.

One sub was caught snorkellig and then sonobuoys around it got it to surface because that is what the best chance of abandoning a sinking sub is if torpedoed since the P-3s were overflying them at 200ft. They could have fully submerged since they would have heard the P-3 from miles out too but instead kept snorkeling and turned tail from there..

The other was on the surface for god knows what and frankly you are right no sane sub captain will surface in known Pakistani claim territory but this guy did so it was extremely easy to find him.. so onus is on him.
As far as it goes - the P-3Cs have video of your subs with GPS tag on it so you believe what you need to, Ill believe what I see and hear.

Now, you want to give credit - ask around because its rumored an experimental project of yours manned by the finest of the IN sub service took a stroll in Chinese claimed EEZ without detection. It is also rumored this was a boomer or at least a local nuclear sub test that is otherwise stored in those tunnels within your coast.
 

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you silly man.

Lets just use some logic ok.

The submarines were detected far off of the coastline, we agree?

the submarines were surfaced in the video? we agree?

this happened three times, three different videos atleast right? we agree?

the PN MPA happened to be in the right place at the right time, three times? Maybe we should play the lottery because that is some insane luck.

Why do i say that? Because the AN/APY-10 has a range of 30nmi against Periscopes, that is MAX range in an ideal environment. Both P3 and ATR72 will have significantly shorter ranges, lets say around 20nmi at best. The PN always happened to be within a 40km radius of an IN submarine, four times when probing our waters? So now tell me, are we just super lucky?
You just nailed let them deny good for us they should put blind eyes on this so in war time every scorpene subs we destroy on our will

How our navy without any waste of energy detect you subs the signature of sub is badly leaked oropeler sound waves coordinates are leaked bro wake up sid subha ho Gai mammo

Even french has working NESMA AIP indians not buying from them U 214 and 6 KS III Subs will be ordered very soon
 

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Yup, didn't the Australian news outlets leak this? Second most embarrassing IN leak after diving with an SSN with the hatch open !!




Of course - the Defence Ministry in India was furiously back-pedaling.....

No french engineer leaked them
 

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