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Yasser76

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Hmm, No. During the last covid hit year, India spend $19 billion on defence capex which is it's highest ever. As for the Navy,

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Why order it now? Do you know how carriers (or any ship for that matter) are built?



And LOI for HAL's own LUH is issued, a ~$500 million new helicopter manufacturing plant is being built for the same.

Also, $2 billion worth of orders for 24 MH-60R is being delivered.



Tejas Mk1A is already ordered, and Uttam is a subsystem of the same. It's as stupid as claiming that Arleigh Burke-class destroyers were ordered but LM2500 GTs weren't.

Since this is a Navy thread, let me calculate the value of outstanding shipbuilding orders placed by the Navy.

IAC1: 21,000 Cr (already paid, I guess)
4 P15B destroyer: 35,800 Cr
7 P17A Frigate: 49,000 Cr
4 Upgraded Talwar Class: 13,000 Cr
6 Next Gen Missile Vessel: 10,000 Cr.
16 ASW Shallow Water Craft: 16,000 Cr
Scorpenes (2 more): 9000 Cr
2 Diving Support Vessel: 2019 Cr
4 Survey Vessel Large: 2000 Cr

That's $19 billion worth of vessels on order even without counting the IAC, many more to be placed soon.

I haven't calculated the value of SSBNs, Missile testbeds (see the vessel on previous post), MRIS etc. That will take combined value to near ~$25 billion I guess.


That's a merchant vessel. Looks like it's a heavy lift vessel carrying Quay cranes.
Easy Mugambo.

You obviously know little about economics and tax. India spent a lot more in 2020 from taxes raised pre Covid. The effects of Covid will be felt this year next year and in 2023.

I said M1A had not FLOWN, read before typing long winded and irrelevant answers, saves you and me time.

Carrier requires a lot of lead time, you have not ordered it now, you may indeed never order it, but you all jack off on the forum claiming it's on it's way....
 

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You obviously know little about economics and tax. India spent a lot more in 2020 from taxes raised pre Covid. The effects of Covid will be felt this year next year and in 2023.
Wait, what? :lol:

GST collections in April at record ₹1.41 lakh crore

Indian economy is projected to grow by 9.5% this FY and 8.5% next FY. India's tax to GDP ratio & govt. expenditure to GDP ratio is 18% & 31%, so there will be no cash crunch. Also, the effect of covid wasn't felt during the year of months-long lockdowns, but will be felt in 2023?

Indian economy is already on a recovery path as indicated by high-frequency indicators like auto sales & you are predicting a slow down till 2023? Are you projecting your nation's economic woes on us? It's not us who have negative forex.

Also please read up on how shipyards are paid. The funds are only released phase-wise & are tied to different levels of completion. Basically, the Indian MoD is paying for the construction of 11 area air defense vessels (destroyers+frigates), 4 Gen. purpose frigates & several other vessels simultaneously. Cash crunch? Like really?

I said M1A had not FLOWN, read before typing long winded and irrelevant answers, saves you and me time.
Pointless. Mk1A is an avionics upgrade & not a new airframe. It has already been ordered, negating your entire ''India has no cash for ordering weapons'' argument.

Carrier requires a lot of lead time, you have not ordered it now, you may indeed never order it, but you all jack off on the forum claiming it's on it's way....
Again, the drydock which will build the same wouldn't be finished until early 2023. It'll be ordered when it's time. After all, it costs less than 1% of India's combined state and union budgets.
 
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Wait, what? :lol:

GST collections in April at record ₹1.41 lakh crore

Indian economy is projected to grow by 9.5% this FY and 8.5% next FY. India's tax to GDP ratio & govt. expenditure to GDP ratio is 18% & 31%, so there will be no cash crunch. Also, the effect of covid wasn't felt during the year of months-long lockdowns, but will be felt in 2023?

Indian economy is already on a recovery path as indicated by high-frequency indicators like auto sales & you are predicting a slow down till 2023? Are you projecting your nation's economic woes on us? It's not us who have negative forex.

Also please read up on how shipyards are paid. The funds are only released phase-wise & are tied to different levels of completion. Basically, the Indian MoD is paying for the construction of 11 area air defense vessels (destroyers+frigates), 4 Gen. purpose frigates & several other vessels simultaneously. Cash crunch? Like really?



Pointless. Mk1A is an avionics upgrade & not a new airframe. It has already been ordered, negating your entire ''India has no cash for ordering weapons'' argument.



Again, the drydock which will build the same wouldn't be finished until early 2023. It'll be ordered when it's time. After all, it costs less than 1% of India's combined state and union budgets.
Kid, please dont discuss BJP economic figures here.

Estimated growth will not even make up for the 24.4% contraction of 2020. So yes you are growing but the Indian economy will still be smaller then it was in 2019. This will have a massive knock on effect as many ambitious projects in defence are planned on a certain element of tax and growth, those will have to be curtailed. Let me know if you understand this method. If not better you debate with someone your own level.
 

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MiG-29Ks of the Indian Navy

With both the 'White Tigers' of INAS 300 and 'Black Panthers' of INAS 303 markings..





MiG-29K with IAF Il-78MKI refueler

 

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Some news from BHEL's press release from today
Great to hear that the GSL built Improved Talwars are named the "त्रिपुट" Class(Arrow Class, I think)
Also glad to read that the Oto Melara SRGM is the main naval gun on the vessels

BHEL Committed to AatmaNirbhar Bharat – Awarded order for Upgraded Main Gun of Frontline Ships



New Delhi; September 28: In a major boost to Defence Production under the ‘Make in India’ initiative and towards achieving self-reliance in the critical field of Defence equipment, Goa Shipyard has placed a maiden order on Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) for supply of an upgraded Super Rapid Gun Mount (SRGM), the Main gun onboard most Warships of the Indian Navy.


The order envisages supply, installation and commissioning of the entire system – Upgraded SRGM and accessories for Triput Class Frigates of the Indian Navy, which will be manufactured by the Haridwar unit of BHEL.


The upgraded SRGM is a state-of-the-art weapon system having additional features such as capability to manage different types of ammunition to engage fast, manoeuvring and non-manoeuvring, radio controlled targets. The upgraded SRGM has the capability to fire advanced Ammunition with higher range and programmable ammunition.


BHEL has been a reliable supplier of critical equipment and services in the Defence and Aerospace sector for over three decades with the aim of making a major contribution towards self-reliance in these sectors.


Towards this, BHEL has established dedicated, intricate manufacturing and inspection facilities at its manufacturing plants, for production, installation & commissioning and lifecycle support of various products and components. The initiatives taken by BHEL will be a driving force towards the AatmaNirbhar Bharat Abhiyan of the Government of India.
https://www.bhel.com/bhel-committed...arded-order-upgraded-main-gun-frontline-ships
 

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1X Project-71 Vikrant-Class Aircraft Carrier

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4X Project-15B Visakhapatnam-class Destroyers

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7X Project-17A Nilgiri-class Frigates

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4X Upgraded Talwar-class Frigates

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2X Kalvari-Class SSKs

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6X Next Generation Missile Vessels (no official renders, hence this)

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16X ASW Shallow Water Cafts (Corvettes)

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1X Missile Range Instrumentation Ship

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2X Diving Support Ships


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1X DRDO Technology Demonstration Vessel (Floating testbed)

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4X Survey Vessel Large

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Oh look, such a brankrupt Navy. We might have to resort to putting guns on fishing boats and canoes now. :sarcastic:
Very nice looking ships guys !!
 

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