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Indian Muslims should form exclusive party, consider moving to Kerala: Zakir Naik

Hakikat ve Hikmet

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I will give you the chance to reply in one of your typical semi-poetic responses where you dream of the revival of the Ottoman Empire, while you are sitting in the United States sipping on some Starbucks oatmilk honey latté.
Why not??? The USA is indirectly helping the revival of Turkey by sanctioning more and more!! By the by, Turkey will be 10X stronger than the Ottoman Empire....
 

Sheikh Rauf

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mullas can't understand value of great writers like taslima nasreen , fortunately indian muslims are not ghulam of extreme mullas like zakir .
Oh yeah what did she write so called great writer...
Indians lives in hole where criticism to other is a good thing but when you raize question about toilets rape terrorism killing muslims specially kashmiries then you guys become def and dumb..
India just become pethatic.
 

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Some people must have the saddest life and the severest inferiority complex if all they want to do is malign a nation they have 0 connection too. They obviously have nothing better to do and have nothing going for them...................:lol:

@PAKISTANFOREVER

You are right.
It is sad that I spent so much time here.

And, contrary to what many think, I do not work for anyone or any country or organisation.
I did not get paid.
Maybe that makes it even sadder.

Also, I am a Surinamese Hindustani.
I was never an Indian.
If you or anyone else want proof that we exist, you can Google it or you can ask the PDF members who reside in the Netherlands about us.
They can confirm it.

And I do not have any connection to Pakistan, that is correct.
I came to PDF because I am interested in geopolitics.
The international aspect of the forum appealed to me.
I think I got more involved in it than I wanted to be.

Maybe I should spend my time differently and take up some hobbies.
I do want to learn another language or how to play a guitar.

When I think I about it, it is really sad that I spent so much time here.
I should thank you for your words.
When someone confronts me with what I said, I can always give them a reply, which I many times did here on PDF.
But most of what you said is true.
Except for the inferiority complex, I like being a Surinamese Hindustani.
So, that is why I can now only say that you are right.

I did enjoy being on PDF by the way, learning about other countries and people.
PDF also changed my views of Pakistan.
Living in the Netherlands, before 9/11, I did not know much about Pakistan.
The stereotypes of Pakistan were that it was a backwards fundamentalist country.
After 9/11, it did not get any better.
I never thought it about it much though.
But then I came to PDF and read the posts of Pakistanis living in Pakistan (and other countries).
And I was surprised.
Here I came to know of a Pakistan with intelligent people who want the best for their country.
And it changed my views of Pakistan and Pakistanis.
Some of you might say that Pakistan has no soft power.
That is not correct.
PDF is a prime example of the soft power of Pakistan.

I respect you for always defending your country, by the way.
Of all the PDF members you are actually the one I respect the most, because you are a true nationalist.
At least, that is what I conclude from your posts.
In a large number of your replies you say something along the lines that you do not care for other countries and that Pakistan should come first.
Imagine if every Pakistani would think like you.
Then you would really have a naya Pakistan, where every Pakistani would have roti, kapra aur makan (and even more than that).

Anyway, to wrap it up.
I wish you and everyone on PDF the best.
I will quit PDF after this post and will not respond to any replies, nor visit the site anymore.
I leave you all in peace.

Goodbye! :wave:
 

Omar Al-Deek

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Secularism is simple, People of all religions, race, sects, genders , languages, Economic status and cast are equal in front of the constitution and law. No discrimination....period.

Any decent educated modern individual should agree to the above. If Zakir Naik considers himself and his religion to be superior to all others then that’s no problem at all, the problem starts when he wishes others to keep him and his religion in a higher pedestal than their own, to enact laws to further this belief, to look down upon other people and influencing others in his community to discriminate as well.
If he believes he can do all this living in a secular democracy like India then he is mistaken, so it’s obvious he had to leave this secular country to preach what he believes.

actually, secularism is against Islam
 

GHALIB

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@PAKISTANFOREVER

You are right.
It is sad that I spent so much time here.

And, contrary to what many think, I do not work for anyone or any country or organisation.
I did not get paid.
Maybe that makes it even sadder.

Also, I am a Surinamese Hindustani.
I was never an Indian.
If you or anyone else want proof that we exist, you can Google it or you can ask the PDF members who reside in the Netherlands about us.
They can confirm it.

And I do not have any connection to Pakistan, that is correct.
I came to PDF because I am interested in geopolitics.
The international aspect of the forum appealed to me.
I think I got more involved in it than I wanted to be.

Maybe I should spend my time differently and take up some hobbies.
I do want to learn another language or how to play a guitar.

When I think I about it, it is really sad that I spent so much time here.
I should thank you for your words.
When someone confronts me with what I said, I can always give them a reply, which I many times did here on PDF.
But most of what you said is true.
Except for the inferiority complex, I like being a Surinamese Hindustani.
So, that is why I can now only say that you are right.

I did enjoy being on PDF by the way, learning about other countries and people.
PDF also changed my views of Pakistan.
Living in the Netherlands, before 9/11, I did not know much about Pakistan.
The stereotypes of Pakistan were that it was a backwards fundamentalist country.
After 9/11, it did not get any better.
I never thought it about it much though.
But then I came to PDF and read the posts of Pakistanis living in Pakistan (and other countries).
And I was surprised.
Here I came to know of a Pakistan with intelligent people who want the best for their country.
And it changed my views of Pakistan and Pakistanis.
Some of you might say that Pakistan has no soft power.
That is not correct.
PDF is a prime example of the soft power of Pakistan.

I respect you for always defending your country, by the way.
Of all the PDF members you are actually the one I respect the most, because you are a true nationalist.
At least, that is what I conclude from your posts.
In a large number of your replies you say something along the lines that you do not care for other countries and that Pakistan should come first.
Imagine if every Pakistani would think like you.
Then you would really have a naya Pakistan, where every Pakistani would have roti, kapra aur makan (and even more than that).

Anyway, to wrap it up.
I wish you and everyone on PDF the best.
I will quit PDF after this post and will not respond to any replies, nor visit the site anymore.
I leave you all in peace.

Goodbye! :wave:

do not get intimidated by haters , keep coming .
 

SrNair

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I agree its conservative to such an extent that maximum ISIS recruits are coming from there.
Are you saying that current sickular govt (left+cong+iml) is going to bite the dust prematurely? or in next elections? eitherway, who is going to form the govt? NDA? Thanks for letting us know change in local election trends.

IS recruits was also in UP,Maharshtra .

BJP is not doubt getting stronger here even though they dont have enough good leaders .
 

Taimur Khurram

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You are going beyond the scope of this thread, but I’ll clarify nonetheless.
Why would any Muslim want to come to India rather than going to the Islamic nations like Pakistan and Afghanistan ( heaven for Muslims).

Not sure why Pakistan is being put in the same light as Afghanistan, or why you're assuming that these are the only two options that they have to emigrate towards. Better yet, why must they emigrate to begin with? It's more appropriate for them to obtain what they desire within their own communities.
 

Taimur Khurram

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we are indians first , then we are muslims , hindus ,sikhs , christ .

That's not exactly how many followers of these religions within India feel, and thank God that this is not the case.

If one were to place being Indian above all else, then it would mean rolling along with whatever India says/does even if it contradicts clear cut basic moral principles that these religions espouse. This type of mindset is exactly what leads to bad fruit such as the BJP.
 

GHALIB

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That's not exactly how many followers of these religions within India feel, and thank God that this is not the case.

If one were to place being Indian above all else, then it would mean rolling along with whatever India says/does even if it contradicts clear cut basic moral principles that these religions espouse. This type of mindset is exactly what leads to bad fruit such as the BJP.

few exceptions are everywhere ,
for all indians who have indian DNA country comes first .
 

jamahir

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I will give you the chance to reply in one of your typical semi-poetic responses where you dream of the revival of the Ottoman Empire, while you are sitting in the United States sipping on some Starbucks oatmilk honey latté.

:lol:

actually, secularism is against Islam

How ?

This is my thread from 2016 about modern socialist activism among Muslims from the 1900s onwards. It is an article by the Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha.
 

Taimur Khurram

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few exceptions are everywhere ,

This is far from a few exceptions, this a significant portion (in fact, probably the majority) of Christians and Muslims within India.

for all indians who have indian DNA country comes first .

And this mindset will lead to the downfall of your nation (assuming you truly believe in it, which I doubt).
 

313ghazi

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Secularism is simple, People of all religions, race, sects, genders , languages, Economic status and cast are equal in front of the constitution and law. No discrimination....period.

Any decent educated modern individual should agree to the above. If Zakir Naik considers himself and his religion to be superior to all others then that’s no problem at all, the problem starts when he wishes others to keep him and his religion in a higher pedestal than their own, to enact laws to further this belief, to look down upon other people and influencing others in his community to discriminate as well.
If he believes he can do all this living in a secular democracy like India then he is mistaken, so it’s obvious he had to leave this secular country to preach what he believes.

Do you think your country is secular?
 

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