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Indian LCA Tejas Or Pakistani JF-17: Who Is Winning The Malaysian Fighter Jet Contract?

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Let them select whatever they want. Pakistan should Focus on jf-17 block 3 and clearly we need thrust vectoring. God knows what happens next between India and Pakistan. Even Feb. 27 was a close call. Sometimes long range missiles don't hit. You have to prepare for the dogfight and with no thrust vectoring, it's difficult. Time to think about advancing further. I think we should stop after block-3 and will make a new fighter jet, heavy fighter jet with thrust vectoring.
 
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India’s multi-role Tejas fighter has captured the imagination of the Malaysian air force for quite some time now. The 4.5 generation Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) later enthralled the audience when it performed at the 2019 Malaysian Air Show at Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA-2019).

The combat jet impressed the crowd with its artful maneuvers, engaging in loops, slow speed passes, minimum radius turn, maximum rate turn, negative G turn, along with point rolls.

It was the first international performance of the indigenous Indian fighter produced by India’s state-based company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Malaysia’s air force is in dire need of new and modern combat aircraft and its ageing fighter fleets need up-gradation. The Malaysian Air Force chief Gen. Affendi Buang had said that 40% of the country’s combat fleet – which includes British, American and Russian fighters – needs urgent up-gradation.

Tejas fighter
Consequently, the country floated a global tender to procure a variety of different aircraft, ranging from fighter trainers to medium-range combat aircraft (MRCA). The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) intends to fill the operational and combat requirement gaps by ordering a certain number of combat jets in a two-stage process.

Along with India’s multi-role LCA Tejas, which has reportedly emerged as the top contender in the race, other aircraft in the fray include the Swedish Gripen, Pakistan’s Chinese origin JF-17 jet, the South Korean T-50, among others.

Who is Leading the Race?
During its 2019 air show presence in Malaysia, Tejas attracted the curiosity of the then Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohammad, who experienced the cockpit of the aircraft first-hand and was reportedly impressed with the systems and design.

Former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohamad inspecting Tejas at Malaysia air show (file photo)
India and Malaysia have similar operational needs and weapon types with both countries using considerable Russian and NATO systems.

The two countries even match in their military strategy and the use of defense technologies. That will offer an advantage for Malaysia if it chooses Tejas which can accommodate both Russian and Western weapon systems, with both countries operating an amalgam of the fighter aircraft from both blocs.

With India said to be offering the latest version Mk1A, which features modern AESA radar, new avionics and the capability to integrate a variety of weaponry, it will be hard for the Malaysian Air Force to ignore Tejas.

The fighter also boasts of enhanced maneuverability, aerodynamics, maintainability and pilot survivability, self-protection jammer, radar warning receiver and external ECM pod.

To sweeten the deal, India has offered to establish a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility in Malaysia to ensure high-rate availability of the aircraft.

At approximately $42 million per unit, Tejas is an economical choice for RMAF, considering it brings a wide range of modern capabilities to a multi-role fighter and has an operational edge over Pakistan’s JF-17 in many respects, the experts say.




Moreover, the Indian Air Force’s recent order for 83 Tejas aircraft has helped scale down the prices significantly. Malaysia is likely to place an initial order for 12 jets, and go for 24 more at a later stage.

With a team from the country visiting India for assessing the suitability of the aircraft within months, there is great competition expected between LCA Tejas, JF-17, and Korean FA-50

JF-17 vs LCA Tejas
Compared to JF-17, Tejas has a combat edge with its more potent engine, radar system, and electronic warfare suite, and not to forget the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile capability according to IAF experts talking to the EurAsian Times.

JF-17 also comes with a Russian engine, about which Malaysia’s experience has not been good when it comes to serviceability. The country also operates the Russian MiG-29s with similar engines, which are said to require significant after-sales support and maintenance.

However, Tejas is powered by a General Electric F404 engine, also used in Malaysia’s F/A-18s, which has delivered satisfying performance.

With Kuala Lampur engaged in maritime border disputes with Beijing, there’s are chances that the country could prefer the Indian or even Korean fighters over that of Pakistan.

Malaysia and China have been locked in a tense standoff in the South China sea over exploration rights, with Chinese naval vessels repeatedly harassing the former’s exploration and drilling ships and other sea assets.

Experts say that Kaula Lampur takes the Chinese threat very seriously, and this could be a major factor in deciding the top contender for its combat aircraft procurement deal.

This could explain why Malaysia has been keen on spending more time studying India’s Tejas, with a team heading again for India in the coming few months.

Nitin J Ticku a political analyst with the EurAsian Times says that buying a fighter jet is not a simple process as all these decisions are politically motivated. A country’s air force aspires to have potent fighter jets that also suits the political interest of the ruling government.

The purchase of the JF-17s would bind Malaysia with the Chinese weapons while the FA-50 or LCA Tejas would give them access to ‘trusted’ Western technology, despite being of Korean and Indian origin.

Both are BS aircrafts produced by two third world countries like Pakistan and India.

Malaysia has the money to buy European jets. If Bangladesh can buy Eurofighter Typhoon why can't Malaysia with such a good economy?
 
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Both are BS aircrafts produced by two third world countries like Pakistan and India.

Malaysia has the money to buy European jets. If Bangladesh can buy Eurofighter Typhoon why can't Malaysia with such a good economy?
look EF-200 how its expensive to buy and maintain they are looking for cheap jet to replace their older gen jets, and Bangladesh is not decided yet to buy EF-2000
 
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Both are BS aircrafts produced by two third world countries like Pakistan and India.

Malaysia has the money to buy European jets. If Bangladesh can buy Eurofighter Typhoon why can't Malaysia with such a good economy?
Did the Malaysians release an RFI for Medium weight fighters? No.
They want light weight fighters and JF-17 and Tejas are the only best aircraft under offering for such role as no other country makes dedicated combat aircrafts in this weight category.
Mature means nothing when you're comparing technology. Everything depends on the timeline that the RMAF has in mind. If they are eager to induct these light fighters as soon as they can, then the Tejas Mk1A may have a problem because the Uttam AESA radar is not yet certified for the Mk1A. That is assuming the Malaysians don't want any Israeli equipment.

the Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A are both technologically 1 generation ahead of the JF-17 Block II in both FCS, structures and half a generation in avionics.

And the JF-17 Block III is not yet anywhere near service, and uses an Air Cooled KLJ-7A AESA . Again, an inferior solution to a liquid cooled Elta 2052 or Uttam. Air cooled radar is one of the worst decisions in terms of performance. Personally I was very glad that the Block III went with the Air cooled AESA..it's performance will deteriorate exponentially with increase in altitude thanks to the lower density of air. And heat buildup is the single biggest factor that will limit performance on an AESA radar..companies are thinking of double liquid cooling to improve performance and these guys have gone backwards.

Maybe it's cheaper and that's what convinced the PAF to go with it. Or maybe the space and power for the liquid cooling circuit is the problem, for the JF-17. Whatever the reason, the RMAF will not be thrilled with that offering for sure.

Also, the biggest Achilles heel of the JF-17 is it's Russian engine. the RMAF guys have flown MiG-29s with the RD-33s and know perfectly well how poor it's reliability and MTBF and MTBO is when compared to a Western turbofan. Their MiG-29 fleet was so under utilized for a good reason..primarily the poor serviceability of the type and it's engines..

Compared to the RD-33/93, the F-404 is one of the finest turbofans ever produced. That is a key advantage of the Tejas and FA-50.
Plus the fact that China and Malaysia have a dispute in South China Sea.
 
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Did the Malaysians release an RFI for Medium weight fighters? No.
They want light weight fighters and JF-17 and Tejas are the only best aircraft under offering for such role as no other country makes dedicated combat aircrafts in this weight category.
Taiwani chang ku and KAI F/A 50 in same category
Plus the fact that China and Malaysia have a dispute in South China Sea.
Israel will object because you have avionic radar based on Israeli tech/HMD is also Israeli for Malaysian stand on Palestinian issue
 
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Radar is Indian UTTAM AESA, and we can offer our TOPSIGHT-I HMDS which Indian Navy uses on MiG-29Ks.
Uttam are based on Israeli tech you admit it or not but its fact its utilized technologies from Elta-ELM-2052, unless Israel sold their IP right ELM-2052 to you and do search who make TOPSIGHT HMD on google, you're only assembling it on home with few modifications
 

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So is the JF-17 Block II being offered? Since there is not a single JF-17 Block III in service as yet either.
It is not the only AESA fielded by the Chinese they have been flying with AESA radars for some time now. Even the KLJ7A has been tested on different testbeds but still, it's not fielded in numbers, and haven't seen any combat exercise. At least it's ready and customers can be given trials or they can test themselves if they are interested. This would be the last time you got a response from me if I see you running in circles again with silly whataboutism.
So prey tell me if Uttam is not ready for your Airforce is it ready for the customer? Does it stand a chance against Klj7A if tomorrow they decide to make a comparison or it will take some time for the trials?
 

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India’s multi-role Tejas fighter has captured the imagination of the Malaysian air force for quite some time now. The 4.5 generation Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) later enthralled the audience when it performed at the 2019 Malaysian Air Show at Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA-2019).

The combat jet impressed the crowd with its artful maneuvers, engaging in loops, slow speed passes, minimum radius turn, maximum rate turn, negative G turn, along with point rolls.

It was the first international performance of the indigenous Indian fighter produced by India’s state-based company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Malaysia’s air force is in dire need of new and modern combat aircraft and its ageing fighter fleets need up-gradation. The Malaysian Air Force chief Gen. Affendi Buang had said that 40% of the country’s combat fleet – which includes British, American and Russian fighters – needs urgent up-gradation.

Tejas fighter
Consequently, the country floated a global tender to procure a variety of different aircraft, ranging from fighter trainers to medium-range combat aircraft (MRCA). The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) intends to fill the operational and combat requirement gaps by ordering a certain number of combat jets in a two-stage process.

Along with India’s multi-role LCA Tejas, which has reportedly emerged as the top contender in the race, other aircraft in the fray include the Swedish Gripen, Pakistan’s Chinese origin JF-17 jet, the South Korean T-50, among others.

Who is Leading the Race?
During its 2019 air show presence in Malaysia, Tejas attracted the curiosity of the then Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohammad, who experienced the cockpit of the aircraft first-hand and was reportedly impressed with the systems and design.

Former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohamad inspecting Tejas at Malaysia air show (file photo)
India and Malaysia have similar operational needs and weapon types with both countries using considerable Russian and NATO systems.

The two countries even match in their military strategy and the use of defense technologies. That will offer an advantage for Malaysia if it chooses Tejas which can accommodate both Russian and Western weapon systems, with both countries operating an amalgam of the fighter aircraft from both blocs.

With India said to be offering the latest version Mk1A, which features modern AESA radar, new avionics and the capability to integrate a variety of weaponry, it will be hard for the Malaysian Air Force to ignore Tejas.

The fighter also boasts of enhanced maneuverability, aerodynamics, maintainability and pilot survivability, self-protection jammer, radar warning receiver and external ECM pod.

To sweeten the deal, India has offered to establish a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility in Malaysia to ensure high-rate availability of the aircraft.

At approximately $42 million per unit, Tejas is an economical choice for RMAF, considering it brings a wide range of modern capabilities to a multi-role fighter and has an operational edge over Pakistan’s JF-17 in many respects, the experts say.




Moreover, the Indian Air Force’s recent order for 83 Tejas aircraft has helped scale down the prices significantly. Malaysia is likely to place an initial order for 12 jets, and go for 24 more at a later stage.

With a team from the country visiting India for assessing the suitability of the aircraft within months, there is great competition expected between LCA Tejas, JF-17, and Korean FA-50

JF-17 vs LCA Tejas
Compared to JF-17, Tejas has a combat edge with its more potent engine, radar system, and electronic warfare suite, and not to forget the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile capability according to IAF experts talking to the EurAsian Times.

JF-17 also comes with a Russian engine, about which Malaysia’s experience has not been good when it comes to serviceability. The country also operates the Russian MiG-29s with similar engines, which are said to require significant after-sales support and maintenance.

However, Tejas is powered by a General Electric F404 engine, also used in Malaysia’s F/A-18s, which has delivered satisfying performance.

With Kuala Lampur engaged in maritime border disputes with Beijing, there’s are chances that the country could prefer the Indian or even Korean fighters over that of Pakistan.

Malaysia and China have been locked in a tense standoff in the South China sea over exploration rights, with Chinese naval vessels repeatedly harassing the former’s exploration and drilling ships and other sea assets.

Experts say that Kaula Lampur takes the Chinese threat very seriously, and this could be a major factor in deciding the top contender for its combat aircraft procurement deal.

This could explain why Malaysia has been keen on spending more time studying India’s Tejas, with a team heading again for India in the coming few months.

Nitin J Ticku a political analyst with the EurAsian Times says that buying a fighter jet is not a simple process as all these decisions are politically motivated. A country’s air force aspires to have potent fighter jets that also suits the political interest of the ruling government.

The purchase of the JF-17s would bind Malaysia with the Chinese weapons while the FA-50 or LCA Tejas would give them access to ‘trusted’ Western technology, despite being of Korean and Indian origin.

By Indian author on open source site

According to Korean media
The race is between jf17 and ka50
In simple logic
If Malaysia wants top performance and ain't worried about strings attached or cost
Gripens or f16 the best
If wants good combination of capabilities with cost-effectiveness no strings attached on after sale service then jf17 is the best option
Tejas comes with price tag close to gripen but no way at par with its performance except for bhakts imagination
and would again will have those strings attached due to western parts
 

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Tejas is an amalgamation of something from the entire world, and still it is Indian indigenous program. Second, its product line is already preoccupied with iaf pending order. No chance for any other country to get single Teja Bhai until 2030. By the time it may get retire from the active service.
 

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