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Indian LCA Tejas Or Pakistani JF-17: Who Is Winning The Malaysian Fighter Jet Contract?

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JF-17 and Tejas cannot be used as a primary fighting arsenal. They can be used as supplementary fighter jets. Pakistan is using JF-17 to support F-16 and India is using Tejas to support Rafale and Sukhoi 30.
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JF-17 and Tejas cannot be used as a primary fighting arsenal. They can be used as supplementary fighter jets. Pakistan is using JF-17 to support F-16 and India is using Tejas to support Rafale and Sukhoi 30.
That makes 0 sense. The JF-17 in many ways surpasses the capabilities of the F16. The JF17B3 is atleast a generation ahead due to its AESA radars and EW suite. Other examples include its ariel refueling capabilities, its BVR missile arsenal, all of which surpasses the capabilities of the F16 in the PAF fleet. The JF17s in the PAF fleet are used as frontline fighters and assigned to front line squadrons, not in support roles. The majority of the mirages/F7s are assigned to support roles.

Please take your opinions elsewhere since you spew venom without doing an iota of research. Come back when you have enough knowledge.

What exactly of an air force does nepal even have? 0 zilch nada. The Fact of the matter is a squadron of JF17s are enough to destroy most of nepals measely air force and army infrastructure within a few days.
 

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That makes 0 sense. The JF-17 in many ways surpasses the capabilities of the F16. The JF17B3 is atleast a generation ahead due to its AESA radars and EW suite. Other examples include its ariel refueling capabilities, its BVR missile arsenal, all of which surpasses the capabilities of the F16 in the PAF fleet. The JF17s in the PAF fleet are used as frontline fighters and assigned to front line squadrons, not in support roles. The majority of the mirages/F7s are assigned to support roles.

Please take your opinions elsewhere since you spew venom without doing an iota of research. Come back when you have enough knowledge.

What exactly of an air force does nepal even have? 0 zilch nada. The Fact of the matter is a squadron of JF17s are enough to destroy most of nepals measely air force and army infrastructure within a few days.

I dont buy this .. im sorry

PAF will donate its arms for even dozen more Block 52 f16s

Regardless of what happens to block 3 Thunder .. The most potent weapon in PAF is the 18 block 52 fighters with amraam C5 bvr
 

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I dont buy this .. im sorry

PAF will donate its arms for even dozen more Block 52 f16s

Regardless of what happens to block 3 Thunder .. The most potent weapon in PAF is the 18 block 52 fighters with amraam C5 bvr
with block 3 the situation will become favorable for JF-17. It is constantly being upgraded but the same cannot be said for F-16 so it is logical to believe that at some point in time the latter will surpass the former in lethality and capabilities.
 

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I dont buy this .. im sorry

PAF will donate its arms for even dozen more Block 52 f16s

Regardless of what happens to block 3 Thunder .. The most potent weapon in PAF is the 18 block 52 fighters with amraam C5 bvr
Lol at donating our arms for additional block 52s.

Jf17b3 is just as advanced as the blk52. Aesa radar + pl15 + pl10 will out match the f16 blk 52.

The only thing rn that the f16s have is payload. They are good fighter jets but they are now being surpassed by an even greater fighter jet.

If you can't accept it then please leave and never come back
 

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I dont buy this .. im sorry

PAF will donate its arms for even dozen more Block 52 f16s

Regardless of what happens to block 3 Thunder .. The most potent weapon in PAF is the 18 block 52 fighters with amraam C5 bvr
you should get the award for the most idiotic post spoken with confidence... where do I ever start?

jfB3 outclasses the 90s era F16 block 50/52 in every single avionics parameter. Do you wanna measure this with the jf17b3s aesa radar vs f16s obsolete pulse doppler? How about their built in EW suite? Lastly how about their missile systems?

in every way the JF17B3 outclasses the F16.Im a busy guy, dont have time to research for imbeciles. Do your own due diligence.
 

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you should get the award for the most idiotic post spoken with confidence... where do I ever start?

jfB3 outclasses the 90s era F16 block 50/52 in every single avionics parameter. Do you wanna measure this with the jf17b3s aesa radar vs f16s obsolete pulse doppler? How about their built in EW suite? Lastly how about their missile systems?

in every way the JF17B3 outclasses the F16.Im a busy guy, dont have time to research for imbeciles. Do your own due diligence.
Oh bhai don't be so rude yes you're right. but do you know the capabilities of Block-3 EW package, and mind your language, he just try to convey his opinions, which is right Block-3 capabilities is far far ahead in terms of Avionics and radars, and you're reported for using abusive language
 

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JF-17 has a combat radius of 1500 kms. This figure has been quoted on it’s thread by quite a few FMs. While that of Tejas is mere 500 km. Considering that both the aircraft are of similar class and capabilities ( Blk3 vs MK 1A) JF-17, should win the contract on this single parameter.
1500 Km of combat range is a phenomenal capability and puts it far ahead of SAAB JAS-39 and even F-16.
This kind of combat range even in certain basic configuration appears very good. What is that configuration would be interesting to know.
Increased combat range means reduced weapons. But overall the JF17 is a far superior aircraft than the Tejas. Unlike the Tejas the JF17 has been tried and tested in both aerial and ground offensives and came out with flying colours. Not only does the JF17 look s like a great aircraft but is has great performance too and it has has been enhanced far more effectively than the Tejas.
 

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But overall the JF17 is a far superior aircraft than the Tejas. Unlike the Tejas the JF17 has been tried and tested in both aerial and ground offensives and came out with flying colours. Not only does the JF17 look s like a great aircraft but is has great performance too and it has has been enhanced far more effectively than the Tejas.
A generic statement broadly covering anything and everything. Everything of mine is better than yours kind of statement.
I disagree.

JF-17 Blk III capabilities are not known hence I wouldn’t speculate.

Feature by feature Tejas MK1 is better than both the inservice versions of JF-17. MK IA is far ahead of these and a comparison would be due when Blk III details are out.
 
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you should get the award for the most idiotic post spoken with confidence... where do I ever start?

jfB3 outclasses the 90s era F16 block 50/52 in every single avionics parameter. Do you wanna measure this with the jf17b3s aesa radar vs f16s obsolete pulse doppler? How about their built in EW suite? Lastly how about their missile systems?

in every way the JF17B3 outclasses the F16.Im a busy guy, dont have time to research for imbeciles. Do your own due diligence.

Err no

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Just look at the size difference .
A F16 as 30% more power and TWR
The APG68 radar is hard to jam and range is over 250km
carrys advanced HMD
and combat proven weapons like amraam c5
highly efficient USA engine PRATT and witney engines double the service life of the russian engines on thunder

Just shouting it has Aesa radar and PL15 missle does not mean its better plane. Yes i know Aesa radar are more advanced harder to jam and have good range BUT the APG68(9) on F16/52 is every bit as good as most Aesa .
PL15 range 0f 200km is for larger slow moving targets like tankers or Awacs . Fighter sized planes will be less by at least 30% .
Nobody knows anything about EW suites on Block 3
USA F16 /52 works period

combat range and payload F16 wins

Ask any opponent they would rather not face the F16/52 you just cant dismiss a world class fighter like the block 52





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Err no

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Just look at the size difference .
A F16 as 30% more power and TWR
The APG68 radar is hard to jam and range is over 250km
carrys advanced HMD
and combat proven weapons like amraam c5
highly efficient USA engine PRATT and witney engines double the service life of the russian engines on thunder

Just shouting it has Aesa radar and PL15 missle does not mean its better plane. Yes i know Aesa radar are more advanced harder to jam and have good range BUT the APG68(9) on F16/52 is every bit as good as most Aesa .
PL15 range 0f 200km is for larger slow moving targets like tankers or Awacs . Fighter sized planes will be less by at least 30% .
Nobody knows anything about EW suites on Block 3
USA F16 /52 works period

combat range and payload F16 wins

Ask any opponent they would rather not face the F16/52 you just cant dismiss a world class fighter like the block 52





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Are you intentionally missing out the part that the f16 and jf17 are 2 completely different weight classes?

1 is MEDIUM weight

The other is LIGHT weight


Even so the JF17 will maintain the first shoot capability due to the pl15 giving it the edge over the f16, that as well as its Radar.

What can't you understand?
 

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Are you intentionally missing out the part that the f16 and jf17 are 2 completely different weight classes?

1 is MEDIUM weight

The other is LIGHT weight


Even so the JF17 will maintain the first shoot capability due to the pl15 giving it the edge over the f16, that as well as its Radar.

What can't you understand?
please correct me if i am wrong but F-16 comes under light weight category
 

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India’s multi-role Tejas fighter has captured the imagination of the Malaysian air force for quite some time now. The 4.5 generation Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) later enthralled the audience when it performed at the 2019 Malaysian Air Show at Langkawi International Maritime and Aerospace Exhibition (LIMA-2019).

The combat jet impressed the crowd with its artful maneuvers, engaging in loops, slow speed passes, minimum radius turn, maximum rate turn, negative G turn, along with point rolls.

It was the first international performance of the indigenous Indian fighter produced by India’s state-based company Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

Malaysia’s air force is in dire need of new and modern combat aircraft and its ageing fighter fleets need up-gradation. The Malaysian Air Force chief Gen. Affendi Buang had said that 40% of the country’s combat fleet – which includes British, American and Russian fighters – needs urgent up-gradation.

Tejas fighter
Consequently, the country floated a global tender to procure a variety of different aircraft, ranging from fighter trainers to medium-range combat aircraft (MRCA). The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) intends to fill the operational and combat requirement gaps by ordering a certain number of combat jets in a two-stage process.

Along with India’s multi-role LCA Tejas, which has reportedly emerged as the top contender in the race, other aircraft in the fray include the Swedish Gripen, Pakistan’s Chinese origin JF-17 jet, the South Korean T-50, among others.

Who is Leading the Race?
During its 2019 air show presence in Malaysia, Tejas attracted the curiosity of the then Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohammad, who experienced the cockpit of the aircraft first-hand and was reportedly impressed with the systems and design.

Former Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohamad inspecting Tejas at Malaysia air show (file photo)
India and Malaysia have similar operational needs and weapon types with both countries using considerable Russian and NATO systems.

The two countries even match in their military strategy and the use of defense technologies. That will offer an advantage for Malaysia if it chooses Tejas which can accommodate both Russian and Western weapon systems, with both countries operating an amalgam of the fighter aircraft from both blocs.

With India said to be offering the latest version Mk1A, which features modern AESA radar, new avionics and the capability to integrate a variety of weaponry, it will be hard for the Malaysian Air Force to ignore Tejas.

The fighter also boasts of enhanced maneuverability, aerodynamics, maintainability and pilot survivability, self-protection jammer, radar warning receiver and external ECM pod.

To sweeten the deal, India has offered to establish a Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) facility in Malaysia to ensure high-rate availability of the aircraft.

At approximately $42 million per unit, Tejas is an economical choice for RMAF, considering it brings a wide range of modern capabilities to a multi-role fighter and has an operational edge over Pakistan’s JF-17 in many respects, the experts say.




Moreover, the Indian Air Force’s recent order for 83 Tejas aircraft has helped scale down the prices significantly. Malaysia is likely to place an initial order for 12 jets, and go for 24 more at a later stage.

With a team from the country visiting India for assessing the suitability of the aircraft within months, there is great competition expected between LCA Tejas, JF-17, and Korean FA-50

JF-17 vs LCA Tejas
Compared to JF-17, Tejas has a combat edge with its more potent engine, radar system, and electronic warfare suite, and not to forget the Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missile capability according to IAF experts talking to the EurAsian Times.

JF-17 also comes with a Russian engine, about which Malaysia’s experience has not been good when it comes to serviceability. The country also operates the Russian MiG-29s with similar engines, which are said to require significant after-sales support and maintenance.

However, Tejas is powered by a General Electric F404 engine, also used in Malaysia’s F/A-18s, which has delivered satisfying performance.

With Kuala Lampur engaged in maritime border disputes with Beijing, there’s are chances that the country could prefer the Indian or even Korean fighters over that of Pakistan.

Malaysia and China have been locked in a tense standoff in the South China sea over exploration rights, with Chinese naval vessels repeatedly harassing the former’s exploration and drilling ships and other sea assets.

Experts say that Kaula Lampur takes the Chinese threat very seriously, and this could be a major factor in deciding the top contender for its combat aircraft procurement deal.

This could explain why Malaysia has been keen on spending more time studying India’s Tejas, with a team heading again for India in the coming few months.

Nitin J Ticku a political analyst with the EurAsian Times says that buying a fighter jet is not a simple process as all these decisions are politically motivated. A country’s air force aspires to have potent fighter jets that also suits the political interest of the ruling government.

The purchase of the JF-17s would bind Malaysia with the Chinese weapons while the FA-50 or LCA Tejas would give them access to ‘trusted’ Western technology, despite being of Korean and Indian origin.


As a respected member here indicated that LCA is a 'Flying Somosa'. So what is the comparison between a Samosa and an actual Fighter jet JF-17? Is Malaysia in the market to eat a Samosa or to buy a fighter jet?? :lol: :lol:
 

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