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Apart from other lies and dramas by Indian forces, this term "cross border terrorism" and its implementation is actually a professional mastery of Indian Army from 1947 till now.
 

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Apart from other lies and dramas by Indian forces, this term "cross border terrorism" and its implementation is actually a professional mastery of Indian Army from 1947 till now.
Precisely, it's a major shame that Pakistan over the years hasn't highlighted and flagged this in the media and the global forums across the world and this has led to a false one-sided stereotype.
 

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Question is, what is Pakistan's Political and Military leadership doing?
After Kargil, they were in no position to make any type of claims/cases etc., due to the erosion of credibility. This particular matter was settled on the LOC in a mutual manner.
 

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Apart from other lies and dramas by Indian forces, this term "cross border terrorism" and its implementation is actually a professional mastery of Indian Army from 1947 till now.
Yet we want to have a cease fire with them ? They should be pounded and killed whenever and wherever we get the chance.
 

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Very tragic event, showcasing the terrorism of the Indian Army. However, swift revenge was taking very shortly after this, when an Indian post was wiped out in the same sector (yes it's that famous raid whose pics can be found freely on the net).
There are always revenge killings for communal massacres done by Pakistanis in Kashmir. . ..Check out the other Indian retaliations as reported by Pakistan to UNMOGIP.


Locked in U.N. files, 15 years of bloodletting at LoC
Praveen Swami
NEW DELHI:, JANUARY 30, 2013 03:46 IST
UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2016 23:09 IST


Massacre for massacre

The most savage cross-LoC violence Indian forces are alleged to have participated in was the killing of 22 civilians at the village of Bandala, in the Chhamb sector, on the night of March 26-27, 1998. The bodies of two civilians, according to Pakistan’s complaint to UNMOGIP, were decapitated; the eyes of several others were allegedly gouged out by the attackers. The Pakistani military claimed to have recovered an Indian-made watch from the scene of the carnage, along with a hand-written note which asked, “How does your own blood feel”?

First reported by The Hindu’s sister publication >Frontline in its June 19, 1998 issue, the Bandala massacre is alleged to have been carried out by irregulars backed by Indian special forces in retaliation for the massacre of 29 Hindu villagers at Prankote, in Jammu and Kashmir, by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. The LeT attackers slit the throats of their victims, who included women and children.

No Indian investigation of the Bandala killings has ever been carried out. However, an officer serving in the Northern Command at the time said the massacre was “intended to signal that communal massacres by jihadists, who were after all trained and equipped by Pakistan’s military, were a red line that could not be crossed with impunity.”

The Lashkar, however, continued to target Hindu villagers in the Jammu region; 10 were killed at Deesa and Surankote just days later, on May 6, 1998. In 2001, 108 people were gunned down in 11 communal massacres, and 83 people were killed in five incidents in 2002 — a grim toll that only died out after the 2003 ceasefire.

Brutal retaliation


Even though the large-scale killings of civilians did not take place again, Pakistan continued to report cross-border attacks, involving mutilations, to UNMOGIP.

Six months after the Kargil war, on the night of January 21-22, 2000, seven Pakistani soldiers were alleged to have been captured in a raid on a post in the Nadala enclave, across the Neelam River. The seven soldiers, wounded in fire, were allegedly tied up and dragged across a ravine running across the LoC. The bodies were returned, according to Pakistan’s complaint, bearing signs of brutal torture.

“Pakistan chose to underplay the Nadala incident,” a senior Pakistani military officer involved with its Military Operations Directorate told The Hindu, “as General Pervez Musharraf had only recently staged his coup, and did not want a public outcry that would spark a crisis with India.”

Indian military sources told The Hindu that the raid, conducted by a special forces unit, was intended to avenge the killing of Captain Saurabh Kalia, and five soldiers — sepoys Bhanwar Lal Bagaria, Arjun Ram, Bhika Ram, Moola Ram and Naresh Singh — of the 4 Jat Regiment. The patrol had been captured on May 15, 1999, in the Kaksar sector of Kargil. Post mortem revealed that the men’s bodies had been burned with cigarette-ends and their genitals mutilated.


Less detail is available on the retaliatory cycles involved in incidents that have taken place since the ceasefire went into place along the LoC in 2003 — but Pakistan’s complaints to UNMOGIP suggest that there has been steady, but largely unreported, cross-border violence involving beheadings and mutilations.

Indian troops, Pakistan alleged, killed a JCO, or junior commissioned officer, and three soldiers in a raid on a post in the Baroh sector, near Bhimber Gali in Poonch, on September 18, 2003. The raiders, it told UNMOGIP, decapitated one soldier and carried his head off as a trophy.

Near-identical incidents have taken place on at least two occasions since 2008, when hostilities on
the LoC began to escalate again. Indian troops, Pakistan’s complaints record, beheaded a soldier and carried his head across on June 19, 2008, in the Bhattal sector in Poonch. Four Pakistani soldiers, UNMOGIP was told, died in the raid.

The killings came soon after a June 5, 2008 attack on the Kranti border observation post near Salhotri village in Poonch, which claimed the life of 2-8 Gurkha Regiment soldier Jawashwar Chhame.
Finally, on August 30, 2011, Pakistan complained that three soldiers, including a JCO, were beheaded in an Indian raid on a post in the Sharda sector, across the Neelam river valley in Kel. The Hindu had first reported the incident based on testimony from Indian military sources, who said two Pakistani soldiers had been beheaded following the decapitation of two Indian soldiers near Karnah. The raid on the Indian forward position, a highly placed military source said, was carried out by Pakistani special forces, who used rafts to penetrate India’s defences along the LoC.
 

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I remember this raid. Musharraf had recently take over. I happened to see the pictures of the bodies. Childrens eyes were gouged out and civilians were beheaded. Women were also abducted and later beheaded. It was told that womens heads were thrown to Pakistani posts after women were violated and mutilated.

If this is the same raid as i remember then iqbal kashmiri was tasked to retaliate. Revenge was taken when 7 indian soldiers were liquidated, but no hindu civilians were targeted.
 

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There are always revenge killings for communal massacres done by Pakistanis in Kashmir. . ..Check out the other Indian retaliations as reported by Pakistan to UNMOGIP.


Locked in U.N. files, 15 years of bloodletting at LoC
Praveen Swami
NEW DELHI:, JANUARY 30, 2013 03:46 IST
UPDATED: JUNE 12, 2016 23:09 IST


Massacre for massacre

The most savage cross-LoC violence Indian forces are alleged to have participated in was the killing of 22 civilians at the village of Bandala, in the Chhamb sector, on the night of March 26-27, 1998. The bodies of two civilians, according to Pakistan’s complaint to UNMOGIP, were decapitated; the eyes of several others were allegedly gouged out by the attackers. The Pakistani military claimed to have recovered an Indian-made watch from the scene of the carnage, along with a hand-written note which asked, “How does your own blood feel”?

First reported by The Hindu’s sister publication >Frontline in its June 19, 1998 issue, the Bandala massacre is alleged to have been carried out by irregulars backed by Indian special forces in retaliation for the massacre of 29 Hindu villagers at Prankote, in Jammu and Kashmir, by the Lashkar-e-Taiba. The LeT attackers slit the throats of their victims, who included women and children.

No Indian investigation of the Bandala killings has ever been carried out. However, an officer serving in the Northern Command at the time said the massacre was “intended to signal that communal massacres by jihadists, who were after all trained and equipped by Pakistan’s military, were a red line that could not be crossed with impunity.”

The Lashkar, however, continued to target Hindu villagers in the Jammu region; 10 were killed at Deesa and Surankote just days later, on May 6, 1998. In 2001, 108 people were gunned down in 11 communal massacres, and 83 people were killed in five incidents in 2002 — a grim toll that only died out after the 2003 ceasefire.

Brutal retaliation


Even though the large-scale killings of civilians did not take place again, Pakistan continued to report cross-border attacks, involving mutilations, to UNMOGIP.

Six months after the Kargil war, on the night of January 21-22, 2000, seven Pakistani soldiers were alleged to have been captured in a raid on a post in the Nadala enclave, across the Neelam River. The seven soldiers, wounded in fire, were allegedly tied up and dragged across a ravine running across the LoC. The bodies were returned, according to Pakistan’s complaint, bearing signs of brutal torture.

“Pakistan chose to underplay the Nadala incident,” a senior Pakistani military officer involved with its Military Operations Directorate told The Hindu, “as General Pervez Musharraf had only recently staged his coup, and did not want a public outcry that would spark a crisis with India.”

Indian military sources told The Hindu that the raid, conducted by a special forces unit, was intended to avenge the killing of Captain Saurabh Kalia, and five soldiers — sepoys Bhanwar Lal Bagaria, Arjun Ram, Bhika Ram, Moola Ram and Naresh Singh — of the 4 Jat Regiment. The patrol had been captured on May 15, 1999, in the Kaksar sector of Kargil. Post mortem revealed that the men’s bodies had been burned with cigarette-ends and their genitals mutilated.


Less detail is available on the retaliatory cycles involved in incidents that have taken place since the ceasefire went into place along the LoC in 2003 — but Pakistan’s complaints to UNMOGIP suggest that there has been steady, but largely unreported, cross-border violence involving beheadings and mutilations.

Indian troops, Pakistan alleged, killed a JCO, or junior commissioned officer, and three soldiers in a raid on a post in the Baroh sector, near Bhimber Gali in Poonch, on September 18, 2003. The raiders, it told UNMOGIP, decapitated one soldier and carried his head off as a trophy.

Near-identical incidents have taken place on at least two occasions since 2008, when hostilities on
the LoC began to escalate again. Indian troops, Pakistan’s complaints record, beheaded a soldier and carried his head across on June 19, 2008, in the Bhattal sector in Poonch. Four Pakistani soldiers, UNMOGIP was told, died in the raid.

The killings came soon after a June 5, 2008 attack on the Kranti border observation post near Salhotri village in Poonch, which claimed the life of 2-8 Gurkha Regiment soldier Jawashwar Chhame.
Finally, on August 30, 2011, Pakistan complained that three soldiers, including a JCO, were beheaded in an Indian raid on a post in the Sharda sector, across the Neelam river valley in Kel. The Hindu had first reported the incident based on testimony from Indian military sources, who said two Pakistani soldiers had been beheaded following the decapitation of two Indian soldiers near Karnah. The raid on the Indian forward position, a highly placed military source said, was carried out by Pakistani special forces, who used rafts to penetrate India’s defences along the LoC.
Nice attempt at deviating from the subject matter but unsuccessful, it is a fact that the Indian Army has a long history of terrorism and human rights violations in Kashmir:

 

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Nice attempt at deviating from the subject matter but unsuccessful, it is a fact that the Indian Army has a long history of terrorism and human rights violations in Kashmir:

Stop acting stupid.

You created a thread on just one massacre in Kashmir, But I showed how several other massacres have been done Indian army but always done to avenge massacres done by Pakistanis and send a message across "How does your own blood feel ?"

And please don't bring human right record of respective armies for your army has a lot more skeletons in its closet.

Here is a glimpse of what your army does, thousands up on thoudands of rape babies in East Pakistan stand testimony to it.

This is not some biased propaganda piece created by pro Pakistan anti Indian Turkish mouth piece , but actual new footage from Pakistani friend and ally at that time.

 
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Modern hindutva terrorism has never stopped from 47 to kashmir to hyderabad and many more we dont even know about.
 

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Stop acting stupid.

You created a thread on just one massacre in Kashmir, But I showed how several other massacres have been done Indian army but always done to avenge massacres done by Pakistanis and send a message across "How does your own blood feel ?"

And please don't bring human right record of respective armies for your army has a lot more skeletons in its closet.

Here is a glimpse of what your army does, thousands up on thoudands of rape babies in East Pakistan stand testimony to it.

This is not some biased propaganda piece created by pro Pakistan anti Indian Turkish mouth piece , but actual new footage from Pakistani friend and ally at that time.

Mind your language, since this is a civil forum I shall address you as such, otherwise your kind don't merit such treatment.

This thread is to highlight one such event, does that mean this is the sole case of such barbarity from the IA? Hell no, such incidents must run into the dozens, Lanjot and Kunan Poshpara are just two I have mentioned in this thread. These on their own are enough to indict IA.

Going by your keyboard chest thumping, why don't you go and stay at the LOC in a sensitive sector for a week? I'm sure it will be easy for a keyboard warrior. :)

Your propaganda on East Pakistan is meaningless on a thread about the Indian Army's terrorism in Kashmir.

Ironic that you find TRT to be propaganda, yet you're from India! Regardless, to relieve your apprehensions, here's a clip from BBC on the Kunan Poshpara incident by the Indian Army:

 

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Mind your language, since this is a civil forum I shall address you as such, otherwise your kind don't merit such treatment.

This thread is to highlight one such event, does that mean this is the sole case of such barbarity from the IA? Hell no, such incidents must run into the dozens, Lanjot and Kunan Poshpara are just two I have mentioned in this thread. These on their own are enough to indict IA.

Going by your keyboard chest thumping, why don't you go and stay at the LOC in a sensitive sector for a week? I'm sure it will be easy for a keyboard warrior. :)

Your propaganda on East Pakistan is meaningless on a thread about the Indian Army's terrorism in Kashmir.

Ironic that you find TRT to be propaganda, yet you're from India! Regardless, to relieve your apprehensions, here's a clip from BBC on the Kunan Poshpara incident by the Indian Army:

Strange that .. report by NBC ..from Pakistan's American allies at that time.. showing real life footage of East Pakistani women gang raped by Pakistani army has become my propaganda.

My point being always check your own closest for skeletons before pointing fingers at others.

As for the killings across the loc..I have already showed report written by none other that Pakistan's favorite Indian journalist Praveen Swami, how each every one of them was done to avenge a particular massacre of India civilians or soldiers by Pakistan army.
 

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There are always revenge killings for communal massacres done by Pakistanis in Kashmir. . ..Check out the other Indian retaliations as reported by Pakistan to UNMOGIP.
Irregulars of LeT killed civilians in Kashmir
Regulars of Indian army killed civilians in Kashmir

Hence proved

LeT = Indian Army
 

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