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India is a distant second in the threat perception.

It is ironically the Mil-Establishment whose wheeling and dealing with all the corrupt politicians, its supression and armtwisting, undue control of institutions to individuals have destroyed the economy and the social fabric of Pakistan.

About time they consider Pakistan a 'State' and not a piece of 'Real Estate'.
 

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India is a distant second in the threat perception.

It is ironically the Mil-Establishment whose wheeling and dealing with all the corrupt politicians, its supression and armtwisting, undue control of institutions to individuals have destroyed the economy and the social fabric of Pakistan.

About time they consider Pakistan a 'State' and not a piece of 'Real Estate'.
Exactly... with these empty statements vs the conduct of ISI And army brass ... it seems like world view about them is not that wrong after all... a rogue, terrorist minded organisation with experience in covert operations against it's own government... i was puzzled by the PHD Women BLA attacker who targetted chiense in karachi... she was a mother of two young kids... India nai kitnay ko paisay diyai hoongay eak maa ko kai ussnay apnay chotay bachay chor kai state of Pakistan pai attack kia... last 7 months have given us the answers... ISI is creating insurgency ... india is just funding it ....
 

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As per Sun Tzu, the Chinese General of earlier times, in the famous treaty 'Art of War.

“The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.” · “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.

The enemy have succeded in doing exactly this, the causes are different, albeit temporarily.
 

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India is ahead in 5th gen warfare against Pakistan. Success would be disintegration of Pakistan, which PA wouldn't allow.
Interestingly - this was demonstrated with that article on the JF-17 in irrawaddy yet few really caught the process.
Irrawaddy is a dissenting newspaper in Burma and India is keen to reduce Chinese influence there so it builds ties with the network(and other intelligence agencies) that support that mouthpiece.

Now, Indian agencies also have an actual established goal to NOT allow sales of Pakistani hardware as part of their overall “isolation” strategy so when a new deal on the JF-17 is about to be near signed - they reach out vis their consulate to a higher up contact they built relationships with in that buying country and that contact asks for something to show their superiors against the JF-17 which might cast doubts and scupper the deal. The Indian consulate asset goes back to their desk, says how about we get you a burmese article(because the Indian foreign service officer is 20 times smarter than their Pakistani equivalent and is aware of who to contact in their state institutions for connections ) that says the JF-17 is a failure and the myanmar air force is struggling ? Bingo
Irrawady says ok - give us what to write and send the donations too.. and voila we have a article talking about JF-17 struggles available to present with authenticity (it is burmese is it not?) and the potential JF-17 buyer is now concerned and holding off for more guarantees by China and Pakistan on quality.
 

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Damn i think we hadn’t heard such statements in last 6 yrs !!

Now plz issue a statement of same type to the fucked up shithole afghanistan!!
 

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Gen Asim Munir seems a lot tougher and more grounded to reality. My hope for him is rising.
They are all like this at the beginning until they show their true colors. Sometime in their role , surrounded by scoundrel corrupt politicians, the Chief will think wtf am I doing this for and starts investing in his future. Stamping out corruption will end half of Pakistan's problems.
 

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Interestingly - this was demonstrated with that article on the JF-17 in irrawaddy yet few really caught the process.
Irrawaddy is a dissenting newspaper in Burma and India is keen to reduce Chinese influence there so it builds ties with the network(and other intelligence agencies) that support that mouthpiece.

Now, Indian agencies also have an actual established goal to NOT allow sales of Pakistani hardware as part of their overall “isolation” strategy so when a new deal on the JF-17 is about to be near signed - they reach out vis their consulate to a higher up contact they built relationships with in that buying country and that contact asks for something to show their superiors against the JF-17 which might cast doubts and scupper the deal. The Indian consulate asset goes back to their desk, says how about we get you a burmese article(because the Indian foreign service officer is 20 times smarter than their Pakistani equivalent and is aware of who to contact in their state institutions for connections ) that says the JF-17 is a failure and the myanmar air force is struggling ? Bingo
Irrawady says ok - give us what to write and send the donations too.. and voila we have a article talking about JF-17 struggles available to present with authenticity (it is burmese is it not?) and the potential JF-17 buyer is now concerned and holding off for more guarantees by China and Pakistan on quality.
I have seen in many more ways than their defamation of JFT.

In a safe house, when a captured operative upon interrogation gives information about how Pakistan, its top brass, and its lower cadres have to be psychologically affected so the system of command and control at higher command level gets affected as well as how soldiers stop following orders losing their faith in their field commanders, is eye opening.

This is why whatever crap of media I hear on PDF especially related through IK against Bajwa, IK against military, it hold no more value for me than a rotten turd. IK may have his complaints which he emotionally crapped verbally through media, but India had gained leaps and bounds through this idiot IK. On top of that, Generals want DHA, assets, plots, postings abroad post retirements etc, well how many Division's and how many Corps have lost their command and control system since Generals are sitting all day becoming real estate agents. None. How many mutiny's have occurred ? How many MBTs lost their barrels ? How many Generals have been sent home from duty based on their performance level during command ? How many Indian military formations have infiltrated inside Pakistan ? So honestly, spare the crap already.

And the PTI cult followers think their eyes have been opened as to what military has been doing to Pakistan, well its nobody's fault if you idiots had been sleeping throughout your lives. Its the same emotion when at end of 70's Bhutto was hanged, eyes were opened even back then. Go back further and during Ayub's tenure, much more eyes of the enlightened ones were shockingly opened beyond comprehension. Fast forward 50 years and only eyes are opened, brain cells still can't function. Just for his seat, and for the fourth time in history Pakistan's public eyes have been opened, this time by IK because public liked to shut eyes after Ayub, Zia, and Musharraf. Ohh thats a real victory for public- eyes got opened- congratulations.

Back in kargil war, propaganda through media became the tool of the trade. Pakistan was slow to follow and is lacks behind even today. TTP is winning the war through propaganda of exploitations of religion, BLA is winning through exploitation of independence and PTI cults followers are chanting the same formula that IK has opened their eyes. They all have now a common enemy - Pakistan Army. So who is pulling the strings ? India.

The enlightened and literate ones here present the solution, cut numbers of PA, cut strength, tame Generals, court martial officers, reign in COAS, make CJCS from PAF.PN, only then will the needs of literate ones be met.

Its evident that Pakistan's public can be shoved in any direction, give it a few months only. Their brains cannot comprehend anything apart from a propaganda. Maybe teachers should teach children through propaganda tactics - its effective and you know what ? teachers do, especially in madrassahs and Govt schools in villages. This is why Pakistan gets clerks level professionals instead of researchers.

What happened to 18 brand new F-16s, what happened to military funding for AH-1Zs, who stood up when Pakistan wanted T-129s. Its not even mentioned here on forum how the hell Pakistan Army went forward to get surplus M-113s and M-109s. The deal for AW-series helicopters was also going to fall through along with Fennecs variants.

PK knows it very well.

Back in kargil war, everybody had TVs and people were glued to TVs to get news, thank god for load shedding which switched off the dish antennas showing Indian news channels where India had won the war even before Pakistani troops were ordered to fall back. Now everybody has a mobile phone with 20 apps installed for media to get information, utilising few seconds of their precious resources of brain to process that information and post it like infestation on media as if another second lost will be doomsday. Media has made people believe that PA is actually working against interest of Pakistan. That makes BLA and TTP jobs more easier, to name a few.

Pakistani media has done half the job for India in creating enemies for Pakistan Army through PTI backlash. where is Bajwa's martial law ? where is Bajwa's extension ? where is leakage of nuclear secrets by top brass ? which parts of Pakistan have been sold to Israel ?

JFT is just one example. Try sitting with someone from intel community who has interrogated TTP or Indian operatives and then its known how media is and will be used to malign the security apparatus of Pakistan as well as keep strangling Pakistan's economy so the defense structure has to fall one way or another.

Just another small example, what has Military Police sent to Qatar, got to do with COIN war when all the garrisons themselves have a regiment assigned as Garrison Security force (GSF), which has further deputed trained paramilitary troops at checkpoints to check ingress into cantts and providing security to army formations all over Pakistan. GHQ has its own security force which was previously DSG but now its a new onw. So obviously MP can be spared, its not LCB or SSG which has to be thrown into combat against TTP.

When I mentioned India as initiator of 5th gen warfare against Pakistan, the members on PDF started attacking me, who cares, if these brain washed members have course mates, friends, relatives in MI or CMI, they would themselves know how India is trying its best to dismantle security system and control the circumstances in Pakistan through any means necessary.

Regarding Defence Industry, why do we discuss Turkey and China only, because that is all what Pakistan is left with. India is getting P-8s, AH-64s, C-130s and maybe F-18s in future who knows, while Rafale is already there and offers for SU-35 and Gripen are always on the table, what if F-35 becomes available.

Where would PAF shift its focus UCAVs or stealth fighters ? would PA go after mechanization of formations or keep troops engaged with TTP/BLA ? Missiles and nukes are not the answer anymore unless a full scale war occurs, because use of these can itself lead to a full scale war during a minor skirmish.
 

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I have seen in many more ways than their defamation of JFT.

In a safe house, when a captured operative upon interrogation gives information about how Pakistan, its top brass, and its lower cadres have to be psychologically affected so the system of command and control at higher command level gets affected as well as how soldiers stop following orders losing their faith in their field commanders, is eye opening.

This is why whatever crap of media I hear on PDF especially related through IK against Bajwa, IK against military, it hold no more value for me than a rotten turd. IK may have his complaints which he emotionally crapped verbally through media, but India had gained leaps and bounds through this idiot IK. On top of that, Generals want DHA, assets, plots, postings abroad post retirements etc, well how many Division's and how many Corps have lost their command and control system since Generals are sitting all day becoming real estate agents. None. How many mutiny's have occurred ? How many MBTs lost their barrels ? How many Generals have been sent home from duty based on their performance level during command ? How many Indian military formations have infiltrated inside Pakistan ? So honestly, spare the crap already.

And the PTI cult followers think their eyes have been opened as to what military has been doing to Pakistan, well its nobody's fault if you idiots had been sleeping throughout your lives. Its the same emotion when at end of 70's Bhutto was hanged, eyes were opened even back then. Go back further and during Ayub's tenure, much more eyes of the enlightened ones were shockingly opened beyond comprehension. Fast forward 50 years and only eyes are opened, brain cells still can't function. Just for his seat, and for the fourth time in history Pakistan's public eyes have been opened, this time by IK because public liked to shut eyes after Ayub, Zia, and Musharraf. Ohh thats a real victory for public- eyes got opened- congratulations.

Back in kargil war, propaganda through media became the tool of the trade. Pakistan was slow to follow and is lacks behind even today. TTP is winning the war through propaganda of exploitations of religion, BLA is winning through exploitation of independence and PTI cults followers are chanting the same formula that IK has opened their eyes. They all have now a common enemy - Pakistan Army. So who is pulling the strings ? India.

The enlightened and literate ones here present the solution, cut numbers of PA, cut strength, tame Generals, court martial officers, reign in COAS, make CJCS from PAF.PN, only then will the needs of literate ones be met.

Its evident that Pakistan's public can be shoved in any direction, give it a few months only. Their brains cannot comprehend anything apart from a propaganda. Maybe teachers should teach children through propaganda tactics - its effective and you know what ? teachers do, especially in madrassahs and Govt schools in villages. This is why Pakistan gets clerks level professionals instead of researchers.

What happened to 18 brand new F-16s, what happened to military funding for AH-1Zs, who stood up when Pakistan wanted T-129s. Its not even mentioned here on forum how the hell Pakistan Army went forward to get surplus M-113s and M-109s. The deal for AW-series helicopters was also going to fall through along with Fennecs variants.

PK knows it very well.

Back in kargil war, everybody had TVs and people were glued to TVs to get news, thank god for load shedding which switched off the dish antennas showing Indian news channels where India had won the war even before Pakistani troops were ordered to fall back. Now everybody has a mobile phone with 20 apps installed for media to get information, utilising few seconds of their precious resources of brain to process that information and post it like infestation on media as if another second lost will be doomsday. Media has made people believe that PA is actually working against interest of Pakistan. That makes BLA and TTP jobs more easier, to name a few.

Pakistani media has done half the job for India in creating enemies for Pakistan Army through PTI backlash. where is Bajwa's martial law ? where is Bajwa's extension ? where is leakage of nuclear secrets by top brass ? which parts of Pakistan have been sold to Israel ?

JFT is just one example. Try sitting with someone from intel community who has interrogated TTP or Indian operatives and then its known how media is and will be used to malign the security apparatus of Pakistan as well as keep strangling Pakistan's economy so the defense structure has to fall one way or another.

Just another small example, what has Military Police sent to Qatar, got to do with COIN war when all the garrisons themselves have a regiment assigned as Garrison Security force (GSF), which has further deputed trained paramilitary troops at checkpoints to check ingress into cantts and providing security to army formations all over Pakistan. GHQ has its own security force which was previously DSG but now its a new onw. So obviously MP can be spared, its not LCB or SSG which has to be thrown into combat against TTP.

When I mentioned India as initiator of 5th gen warfare against Pakistan, the members on PDF started attacking me, who cares, if these brain washed members have course mates, friends, relatives in MI or CMI, they would themselves know how India is trying its best to dismantle security system and control the circumstances in Pakistan through any means necessary.

Regarding Defence Industry, why do we discuss Turkey and China only, because that is all what Pakistan is left with. India is getting P-8s, AH-64s, C-130s and maybe F-18s in future who knows, while Rafale is already there and offers for SU-35 and Gripen are always on the table, what if F-35 becomes available.

Where would PAF shift its focus UCAVs or stealth fighters ? would PA go after mechanization of formations or keep troops engaged with TTP/BLA ? Missiles and nukes are not the answer anymore unless a full scale war occurs, because use of these can itself lead to a full scale war during a minor skirmish.
I can empathize with the frustration, but then where would be the line between actual journalism pointing out deficiencies in the system vs a malicious campaign to discredit it.
 

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I can empathize with the frustration, but then where would be the line between actual journalism pointing out deficiencies in the system vs a malicious campaign to discredit it.
There is no frustration but only an uphill task ahead where generations have failed so far.
 

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  • COAS Gen Asim Munir visits LoC.
  • Says Pakistan's armed forces are ever-ready.
  • Misadventure will always be met with the full might, says COAS.
RAWALPINDI: Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Asim Munir Saturday said India would never succeed in its nefarious designs and any misadventure would be responded to befittingly.

The newly appointed army chief made these remarks while visiting frontline troops in the Rakhchikri Sector of Line of Control (LOC) today, according to the military’s media wing.

The COAS was briefed on the latest situation along the LoC and the operational preparedness of the formation.

In his interaction with officers and soldiers, the army chief appreciated their high morale, professional competence and combat readiness while performing their duties in challenging conditions.

Gen Asim said they had noticed highly irresponsible statements from Indian leadership on Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Jammu and Kashmir recently.

“Let me make it categorically clear, Pakistan's armed forces are ever-ready, not only to defend every inch of our motherland, but also to take the fight back to the enemy, if ever, war is imposed on us,” the COAS emphasised.

He said that any misconception resulting in a misadventure will always be met with the full might of the armed forces backed by a resilient nation.

“Indian state will never be able to achieve her nefarious designs. The world must ensure justice and deliver what is promised to the Kashmiri people as per UN resolutions.”

Earlier, on arrival, Lieutenant General Shahid Imtiaz, Corps Commander Rawalpindi received the army chief.

Gen Asim Munir received the baton of command from General Qamar Javed Bajwa on Tuesday in a ceremony held at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi.

With the change of command, Gen Munir has become the 17th army chief of the Pakistan Army when Gen Bajwa handed over the baton to him.

New Gen wont be able to sell armys image of a savior of nation, they lie exposed, naked and the only way the nation will ever stand behind them if they act like grade 22 officer and be subservient to the defense minister and PM .. and stop doing political engineering and open their audit books..
 

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I have seen in many more ways than their defamation of JFT.

In a safe house, when a captured operative upon interrogation gives information about how Pakistan, its top brass, and its lower cadres have to be psychologically affected so the system of command and control at higher command level gets affected as well as how soldiers stop following orders losing their faith in their field commanders, is eye opening.

This is why whatever crap of media I hear on PDF especially related through IK against Bajwa, IK against military, it hold no more value for me than a rotten turd. IK may have his complaints which he emotionally crapped verbally through media, but India had gained leaps and bounds through this idiot IK. On top of that, Generals want DHA, assets, plots, postings abroad post retirements etc, well how many Division's and how many Corps have lost their command and control system since Generals are sitting all day becoming real estate agents. None. How many mutiny's have occurred ? How many MBTs lost their barrels ? How many Generals have been sent home from duty based on their performance level during command ? How many Indian military formations have infiltrated inside Pakistan ? So honestly, spare the crap already.

And the PTI cult followers think their eyes have been opened as to what military has been doing to Pakistan, well its nobody's fault if you idiots had been sleeping throughout your lives. Its the same emotion when at end of 70's Bhutto was hanged, eyes were opened even back then. Go back further and during Ayub's tenure, much more eyes of the enlightened ones were shockingly opened beyond comprehension. Fast forward 50 years and only eyes are opened, brain cells still can't function. Just for his seat, and for the fourth time in history Pakistan's public eyes have been opened, this time by IK because public liked to shut eyes after Ayub, Zia, and Musharraf. Ohh thats a real victory for public- eyes got opened- congratulations.

Back in kargil war, propaganda through media became the tool of the trade. Pakistan was slow to follow and is lacks behind even today. TTP is winning the war through propaganda of exploitations of religion, BLA is winning through exploitation of independence and PTI cults followers are chanting the same formula that IK has opened their eyes. They all have now a common enemy - Pakistan Army. So who is pulling the strings ? India.

The enlightened and literate ones here present the solution, cut numbers of PA, cut strength, tame Generals, court martial officers, reign in COAS, make CJCS from PAF.PN, only then will the needs of literate ones be met.

Its evident that Pakistan's public can be shoved in any direction, give it a few months only. Their brains cannot comprehend anything apart from a propaganda. Maybe teachers should teach children through propaganda tactics - its effective and you know what ? teachers do, especially in madrassahs and Govt schools in villages. This is why Pakistan gets clerks level professionals instead of researchers.

What happened to 18 brand new F-16s, what happened to military funding for AH-1Zs, who stood up when Pakistan wanted T-129s. Its not even mentioned here on forum how the hell Pakistan Army went forward to get surplus M-113s and M-109s. The deal for AW-series helicopters was also going to fall through along with Fennecs variants.

PK knows it very well.

Back in kargil war, everybody had TVs and people were glued to TVs to get news, thank god for load shedding which switched off the dish antennas showing Indian news channels where India had won the war even before Pakistani troops were ordered to fall back. Now everybody has a mobile phone with 20 apps installed for media to get information, utilising few seconds of their precious resources of brain to process that information and post it like infestation on media as if another second lost will be doomsday. Media has made people believe that PA is actually working against interest of Pakistan. That makes BLA and TTP jobs more easier, to name a few.

Pakistani media has done half the job for India in creating enemies for Pakistan Army through PTI backlash. where is Bajwa's martial law ? where is Bajwa's extension ? where is leakage of nuclear secrets by top brass ? which parts of Pakistan have been sold to Israel ?

JFT is just one example. Try sitting with someone from intel community who has interrogated TTP or Indian operatives and then its known how media is and will be used to malign the security apparatus of Pakistan as well as keep strangling Pakistan's economy so the defense structure has to fall one way or another.

Just another small example, what has Military Police sent to Qatar, got to do with COIN war when all the garrisons themselves have a regiment assigned as Garrison Security force (GSF), which has further deputed trained paramilitary troops at checkpoints to check ingress into cantts and providing security to army formations all over Pakistan. GHQ has its own security force which was previously DSG but now its a new onw. So obviously MP can be spared, its not LCB or SSG which has to be thrown into combat against TTP.

When I mentioned India as initiator of 5th gen warfare against Pakistan, the members on PDF started attacking me, who cares, if these brain washed members have course mates, friends, relatives in MI or CMI, they would themselves know how India is trying its best to dismantle security system and control the circumstances in Pakistan through any means necessary.

Regarding Defence Industry, why do we discuss Turkey and China only, because that is all what Pakistan is left with. India is getting P-8s, AH-64s, C-130s and maybe F-18s in future who knows, while Rafale is already there and offers for SU-35 and Gripen are always on the table, what if F-35 becomes available.

Where would PAF shift its focus UCAVs or stealth fighters ? would PA go after mechanization of formations or keep troops engaged with TTP/BLA ? Missiles and nukes are not the answer anymore unless a full scale war occurs, because use of these can itself lead to a full scale war during a minor skirmish.
I generally agree with most of what you've written here - India is doing amazing in destroying the morale of the nation, and politically destabilising it.

But that can partially be blamed on the establishment, who are definitely not apolitical as they claim, they should have foresaw the national support IK had gained and attempted to work with him rather than cast him aside. They are well aware of the public's growing disdain towards the same faces who are labelled as theives, rightly so. These are blunders on their part for not anticipating this.

They should also be able to recognise that IK's presence itself was a massive morale booster and he was like a cohesive glue in society, he was and is an asset worth more than any Sharif or Bhutto.

Same with the economic downfall, it's them allowing horsetrading and nepotism to take place which leads to unqualified and inexperienced people in positions they aren't capable of handling, this deteriorates an institution, and for a country, this has a detrimental effect, and we simply cannot afford it. There's certain national institutions where nepotism and corruption will cost you the entire country.

Can you expand more on the bolded statements please? Are you saying since India didn't invade, this means they are doing a good job? ( Because regardless of the army's political involvement, it does have a credible amount of capable equipment so that in itself is a decent deterrent regardless of the men themselves, it would require planning and timing even if India did want to make a move, it doesn’t say much about the men themselves)
 

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No body trust these kanjars aka regime changers anymore, they are always ready to sell anything for few million dollars even to our enemies
Too bad it took Indians 75 years to realize this, otherwise all they had to was offer Ayub Khan a villa or two in Europe and they could've have Azad Kashmir delivered to them on a platter.

India is ahead in 5th gen warfare against Pakistan. Success would be disintegration of Pakistan, which PA wouldn't allow.
Well PA already has set precedent of doing just the opposite...

No reason to believe history won't repeat itself...
 

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