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Nice self praise. I expect when no one else praises you for losing 3 wars and you are too ashamed to accept your involvement in fourth, you are kind of forced to praise yourself.
Self praise? I'm talking facts boy, tell me, am I wrong?

Losing three wars? I'm starting to doubt that, the internet age has been kind to us, your deceptive habits of changing texts to suit your claims has come to light, which was also again attempted after 27th Feb when wikipedia was changed, your news channels spewed lies which were hilariously caught on air (F-16/Mig-21 engine cowling). Don't talk about self-praise to me when you call yourself a super power when you do not even have the proper infrastructure, when 2 million children die before they turn 5 years old, when your prime minister is dictating your judiciary to give out rulings that benefit them.

Tell me, is all of the above a lie? Oh the f*cking irony
 

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Ohh we know, that is why we have a cold start doctrine..to keep the war below the nuclear threshold, but then you lowered your nuclear thresh hold, as you are afraid of India's conventional forces.
There are few rungs even beneath tactical nukes and Cold doctrine. Why not try them.
 

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Stupid? Hell no, those balls of steel are still shining today, a country 7x larger is having a very difficult time dealing with us.



$560 billions in reserves? Impressive! Can you please explain why you are still taking aid? Why is it that every year there are 2,000,000 children that cannot get enough food or health care that they die before they turn 5 years old? 10% of your population is drinking dangerously dirty water. Doesn't that make you sick to the stomach?



Absolutely, for that trade we got ourselves an iron-fisted friendship, you didn't recede anything, instead they took it by force and gave you a very very nice beating. In the end you lost that land and made an enemy at the same time. FYI, that same enemy is now knocking on your back door ready to butt f*ck you, since they are so close to us, they have invited us to join them in a very nice double action, in a couple of years you'll find that video on Brazzers under the title, "South Asian loud mouth wife forced; Double creamed to shame"



"A 90 second encounter where 24 PAF aircrafts went against 2 IAF Mirages and 2 Su 30 MKI and in the end PAF was able to shoot down a 50 year old Mig 21 ??"

A) We entered IOK
B) SU-30 MKI en route to intercept
C) SU-30 MKI shot down
D) 2nd SU-30 MKI pinged out after 1st shot down
E) We deployed stand off weapons with 100% accuracy at all our targets (Including Brigade HQ)
F) Unchallenged we returned back to Azad Kashmir
G) Abhinandan crossed LOC
H) Abhinandan shot down

Apparently all hell broke loose when your SU-30 was bested in air combat. Our EW's did such a superb job that all your assets were blind and deaf in the air, not to mention, Out-ranged.

"If Pakistani armed forces really believed in this none sense you are spewing, they would attacked India by now and captured Kashmir, as they tried and failed to do so many times in the past.

But they know for a fact, in an all out conventional war ..Pakistan would loose badly and if the war goes nuclear, Pakistan would cease to exist as a nation state.
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A) We weren't the one's itching and bitching about taking all of Kashmir, you were.
B) Interesting point, after the 27th Feb scuffle, India gave Pakistan a missile threat in the shape of Brahmos... What were you indicating? That conventionally India is not capable enough to take on Pakistan? Looks like this was the case since you did not attack us after our successful operation. What did Pakistan do in return, we gave you a counter threat, and what did the great and mighty India do?

Backed the f*ck down.

You guys talk so large, but that is what you all are, barkers, and we know, barkers seldom bite.
Since you want to tow the ISPR propaganda.. lets see.

1. We entered PO.K ..dropped bombs 60 Km Inside in Pakistan proper, and dropped and 3 bomb scored direct hit on Pakistani terrorist facility. No Pakistani aircraft was even in 150 km radius of Indian aircraft.

2. No Su-30 shot down, rather a F-16 shot down.

3. How were you unchallenged, when a 50 year mig 21chased your brand new block 52s. It was IAF which was unchallenged, when it entered in to Pakistan.

4. Your weapons did not even fall close to their targets, not a single casualty in Indian side, since IAF aircrafts were chasing them.

5. It took 24 Pakistani aircrafts to shoot down a single mig 21 and lost F-16 in the process.

6. The threat was, if our pilot is not returned, India will launch Bhramos, and ipso facto IAF pilot was returned with in 72 hours.
There are few rungs even beneath tactical nukes and Cold doctrine. Why not try them.
Like Surgical strikes after Uri or aerial bombing of Balakot ?

Tell us this, if you are not afraid of Indian conventional forces, why did you lower nuclear thresh hold or don't have a NFU ?

India does not have a first use policy even against China, or unlike Pakistan, threaten nuclear response even during any stand off.
 
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Since you want to tow the ISPR propaganda.. lets see.

1. We entered PO.K ..dropped bombs 60 Km Inside in Pakistan proper, and dropped and 3 bomb scored scored direct hit on Pakistani terrorist facility. No Pakistani aircraft was even 150 km of Indian aircraft.

2. No Su-30 shot down, rather a F-16 shot down.

3. How were you unchallenged, when a 50 year mig 21chased your brand new block 52s. It was IAF which was unchallenged, when it went in to Pakistan.

4. Your weapons did not even fall close to their targets, not a single casualty in Indian side, since IAF aircrafts chasing them.

5. It took 24 Pakistani aircrafts to shoot down a single mig 21 and lost F-16 in the process.

6. The threat was, if our pilot is not returned, India will launch Bhramos, and ipso facto IAF pilot was returned with in 72 hours.
FYI, you have Alan Warnes and Christine Fair who also tow the ISPR line.

1. Yes you entered Azad Kashmir, barely. Dropped your munitions on a few trees and took out a crow, in haste, because CAP were en route to you, you threw your slippers and ran off bare footed after throwing your rock blindly.

2. SU-30 shot down, ask Alan Warnes, and ask Christine Fair, because she said so in India at a conference that no F-16 was shot down.

3. Yeah they were unchallenged in IOK, SU-30 shot down before it could intercept and a lowly Mig-21 shot down after the strike package returned, what do you not understand about this?

4. Oh My God, it was a tit for a tat, since you incurred no human losses on our side, we returned the favour. Have you been like sleeping under a rock? Do you need me to point you to a few videos that perfectly explain 27th Feb? Why don't you ask the rest of your country men who ran away from here, I hear they still have nightmares.

5. Really? 24 PAF aircrafts fired weapons? Because in either the case of the SU-30 and the Mig-21, only one AMRAAM required for each bogey.

6. Well, you didn't launch Brahmos.. why? Because as far as I can recall, Abhinandan was returned 2 days later as a gesture of peace. So, what was India waiting for? Oh I know, the counter missile threat by Pakistan, which India backed off and your late FM Sushmita, who was barking for war and destruction of Pakistan, suddenly started calling for peace.
 

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We are still unable to prevent suicide attacks on army and civilians
What has this anything to do with what I said, or the topic of this thread?
Are you feeling OK?


Regarding your query,
India's north-east is on fire
It has Maoist insurgency through many states,
Kashmir is still exploding.
Has India been able to stop?

No country can turn the tap off when it wants, it is always a process and takes time, it becomes harder when there is foreign support but not impossible.
If foreign funding is mixed with people uprising, then it becomes impossible, in Pakistan it is mainly foreign funding, but in India it is mainly local uprising.
 

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The Indian military is expected to be reorganised under five theatre commands by 2022 with defined areas of operation and a seamless command structure for synchronised operations.

With the department of military affairs soon to have additional and joint secretaries after Cabinet clearance, the task of reorganisation of the three services under theatre commands has begun with a China specific Northern Command and Pakistan specific Western command under serious consideration. India’s Chief of Defence Staff Gen Bipin Rawat has been given the mandate by the Narendra Modi government to create theatre commands much like the ones China and the US currently have.

According to military and national security planners, the northern command’s remit will begin from the Karakoram Pass in Ladakh and continue up to the last outpost Kibithu in Arunachal Pradesh , with the military mandate of guarding the 3,488 kilometre of Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China. The HQ of this command could be Lucknow.


The western command’s remit will be from Indira Col on Saltoro Ridge in the Siachen Glacier region to the tip of Gujarat with its HQ likely in Jaipur.

The third theatre command will be the Peninsular Command; the fourth, a full-fledged air defence command; and the fifth, a maritime command. The likely HQ of the Peninsular command could be Thiruvananthapuram. The air defence command will not only spearhead the country’s aerial attack but also be responsible for defending Indian airspace through multi-role fighters with all anti aircraft missiles under its control.

Currently, the Indian Army, Indian Air Force and the Indian Navy all defend Indian airspace on separate communication frequencies and without synergy. This is despite the fact that all Indian Army Corps Headquarters are located next to an air base as a result of which there is duplication of effort and wasteful expenditure.

The planners said there is option of extending this to an aerospace command as per future requirements.

India will have only one maritime command with a possibility that the tri-service Andaman and Nicobar Islands Command being merged with this . The task of the maritime command will be to protect the Indian Ocean and India’s Island territories as well as keep the sea lanes free and open from any outside pressure.

Although in a nascent stage, the Indian Navy’s maritime assets will be placed in Karwar on the western seaboard, Vishakhapatnam on the eastern seaboard and in the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. With China emerging as a threat, the possible headquarters of the Maritime Command could be Andhra Pradesh’s new capital with Port Blair emerging as another major base for naval operations.


Theaterisation refers to placing units of the army, air force, and navy under a single Theatre Commander. The operational command of such combinations will be under one officer drawn from one of the three services.

“Theaterisation of commands is imperative to integrate resources of the three services for maximising impact in any war. The geographical expanse of theatres in India demands unified commands for strategic decisions and critical outcomes that will be possible in concentrated employment of resources,” said former amry vice chief Lt Gen AS Lamba (retd).

According to senior officials familiar with the matter, all five commands will be headed by Lt General or equivalent rank commanders, who will be the first among equals with the heads of the present commands reporting to them. The task of the Chief of Staff of Army, Chief of Air Staff and Chief of Naval Staff will not be operational but involve mobilising resources to the theatre commanders as it is in the US military.

If the Andamans and Nicobar Command goes under the maritime command as is being visualised, then the CDS will have the Armed Forces Special Operation Division, Cyber Command and the Defence Intelligence Agency under him with manpower drawn from all the three services.
So they just ripped off China's 2016 military reforms with five theatre commands and a unified structure? lollll
 

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FYI, you have Alan Warnes and Christine Fair who also tow the ISPR line.

1. Yes you entered Azad Kashmir, barely. Dropped your munitions on a few trees and took out a crow, in haste, because CAP were en route to you, you threw your slippers and ran off bare footed after throwing your rock blindly.

2. SU-30 shot down, ask Alan Warnes, and ask Christine Fair, because she said so in India at a conference that no F-16 was shot down.

3. Yeah they were unchallenged in IOK, SU-30 shot down before it could intercept and a lowly Mig-21 shot down after the strike package returned, what do you not understand about this?

4. Oh My God, it was a tit for a tat, since you incurred no human losses on our side, we returned the favour. Have you been like sleeping under a rock? Do you need me to point you to a few videos that perfectly explain 27th Feb? Why don't you ask the rest of your country men who ran away from here, I hear they still have nightmares.

5. Really? 24 PAF aircrafts fired weapons? Because in either the case of the SU-30 and the Mig-21, only one AMRAAM required for each bogey.

6. Well, you didn't launch Brahmos.. why? Because as far as I can recall, Abhinandan was returned 2 days later as a gesture of peace. So, what was India waiting for? Oh I know, the counter missile threat by Pakistan, which India backed off and your late FM Sushmita, who was barking for war and destruction of Pakistan, suddenly started calling for peace.
Alan warnes towing ISPR line..who is surprised here.

Why haven't you been able to present a single piece of evidence that a Su 30 was shot down?..like we did with AWACS screenshot regarding f16 kill.
 

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What happened on 27 th Feb.

A 90 second encounter where 24 PAF aircrafts went against 2 IAF Mirages and 2 Su 30 MKI and in the end PAF was able to shoot down a 50 year old Mig 21 ??

I guess, you would count that as a victory..as Pakistani victories are so rare when it comes to India- Pakistan conflict.

If Pakistani armed forces really believed in this none sense you are spewing, they would attacked India by now and captured Kashmir, as they tried and failed to do so many times in the past.

But they know for a fact, in an all out conventional war ..Pakistan would loose badly and if the war goes nuclear, Pakistan would cease to exist as a nation state.
A kill is a kill, you guys are great justifying things after the events. Yes, hero MIG-21 held off entire 9 Squadron of PAF and git hit by a lucky shot.

Nothing to do with the fact we laid down a well executed ambush supported by heavy EW Jamming via Falcon 20 jets and cordinated via Erieye AEW. The fact you cannot even learn from your defeats only spells trouble for you in the future.....
 

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What has this anything to do with what I said, or the topic of this thread?
Are you feeling OK?


Regarding your query,
India's north-east is on fire
It has Maoist insurgency through many states,
Kashmir is still exploding.
Has India been able to stop?

No country can turn the tap off when it wants, it is always a process and takes time, it becomes harder when there is foreign support but not impossible.
If foreign funding is mixed with people uprising, then it becomes impossible, in Pakistan it is mainly foreign funding, but in India it is mainly local uprising.
I said that because I think Pakistan Army learn little bit late
 

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A kill is a kill, you guys are great justifying things after the events. Yes, hero MIG-21 held off entire 9 Squadron of PAF and git hit by a lucky shot.

Nothing to do with the fact we laid down a well executed ambush supported by heavy EW Jamming via Falcon 20 jets and cordinated via Erieye AEW. The fact you cannot even learn from your defeats only spells trouble for you in the future.....
That is exactly the point ..you had to direct so many of your resources...AWACS ..EW aircrafts..24 of your fighters aircrafts too score a single kill on 50 year old aircraft.

Do you have these kind resources ..to employ similar resource levels through out the front..or wherever you might encounter IAF aircrafts.. which is a lot bigger than your airforce..has much more resources.

You were attacking at a time and place of your choosing...with massive amount resources..still you found IAF aircraft challenging you..giving you fight.

The previous night.. when IAF aircrafts crossed the border with only 6 aircrafts..there wasn't a Single PAF aircraft there to challenge them..or even 150 km of them.
 

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That is exactly the point ..you had to direct so many of your resources...AWACS ..EW aircrafts..24 of your fighters aircrafts too score a single kill on 50 year old aircraft.

Do you have these kind resources ..to employ similar resource levels through out the front..or wherever you might encounter IAF aircrafts.. which is a lot bigger than your airforce..has much more resources.

You were attacking at a time and place of your choosing...with massive amount resources..still you found IAF aircraft challenging you..giving you fight.

The previous night.. when IAF aircrafts crossed the border with only 6 aircrafts..there wasn't a Single PAF aircraft there to challenge them..or even 150 km of them.
You do realise everytime you say that you just prove his point even further.

For context this was in broad daylight, after India bombed some trees in AJK, and right after Pakistan publicly stated it will retaliate at a time and place of its choosing. There is absolutely no excuse why IAF was so unprepared and incompetent on that day, and you can cry about the difference in numbers but that only further proves how unprepared/incapable India is at actual warfare.

Even if you are so incredibly deluded to ignore this then at the end of the day India's operation being to bomb some building was a clear failure, while PAF's operation (Swift retort) was a clear success; which tells us all we need to know.
 

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You do realise everytime you say that you just prove his point even further.

For context this was in broad daylight, after India bombed some trees in AJK, and right after Pakistan publicly stated it will retaliate at a time and place of its choosing. There is absolutely no excuse why IAF was so unprepared and incompetent on that day, and you can cry about the difference in numbers but that only further proves how unprepared/incapable India is at actual warfare.

Even if you are so incredibly deluded to ignore this then at the end of the day India's operation being to bomb some building was a clear failure, while PAF's operation (Swift retort) was a clear success; which tells us all we need to know.
How does it matter .. wether it is day or night? Do radars not see the same at night or aircrafts not fly the same at night?

You say IAF was incredibly unprepared that they did not forsee that a package 24 Pakistani aircrafts backed by AWACS and jammers will be attacking them on 27th ..and only 4 aircrafts on CAP in that particular area.

Then what would you say about PAF which is not even 150 km range IAF aircrafts when IAF crossed into Pakistan the previous night?
 

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How does it matter .. wether it is day or night? Do radars not see the same at night or aircrafts not fly the same at night?

You say IAF was incredibly unprepared that they did not forsee that a package 24 Pakistani aircrafts backed by AWACS and jammers will be attacking them on 27th ..and only 4 aircrafts on CAP in that particular area.

Then what would you say about PAF which is not even 150 km range IAF aircrafts when IAF crossed into Pakistan the previous night?
According to dear leader modi, clouds were the reason why your air defence was so incompetent so apparently it does make a difference.

As for your other claim PAF was there, hence why IAF panicked dropped their ordinance without confirming and fled like cowards.
 

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According to dear leader modi, clouds were the reason why your air defence was so incompetent so apparently it does make a difference.

As for your other claim PAF was there, hence why IAF panicked dropped their ordinance without confirming and fled like cowards.
Of the 6 aircraft which entered Pakistan..5 were carrying spice 2000 bombs..and 1 was carrying crystal maze missile.

Heave rain and cloud cover was the reason crystal maze could not be fired... where of the 5 spice bombs which were dropped..(they have pre fed GPS coordinates.) So do not need man in loop guidance..

PAF was no where near the scene..or wouldn't they have tried to shoot down IAF aircraft?
 

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