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India raised objection to Pakistan F-16 refit during "each and every" bilateral meeting with US

One_Nation

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India is in a zero sum game. Sad we in Pakistan dont realize it. They will hurt us in everything, from Davis Cup to Kabadi, to Cricket, to IPL - you name it. Any forum big or large, even global university campuses, academia appointments, corporate decisions etc. Don't let exceptions fool you. So no surprise this is the policy they drive.
Only our leaders and some in the public dont realize how in the minds of the Indians, Pakistan is a nation that needs to fail or be undone. It is solidly engrained in their minds.
The ideas behind India and Pakistan are opposite to each other that both cannot succeed at the same time. If one succeeds the other will fail.

Idea behind Pakistan: Minorities in hindu India can have an independent country of their own and succeed on their own.
Idea behind India: minorities can only survive under hindu India and cannot sustain a state on their own which will eventually fail.

If Pakistan was a successful state as it was originally planned then India would have broken apart by now or close to it. If things continue the way they are going in Pakistan, a country which is failing, this country will break apart and India will stay intact.

Compared to Pakistan the idea of India is succeeding so far but there is still one big problem for Indians. Bangladesh which exists on the same idea as Pakistan is succeeding as an independent state. India was successful at dividing Pakistan but now there are two Pakistans for them. Only one needs to succeed to nullify the idea behind India. The odds are still against India.
 

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Indian lost US trust on Feb 27th.....a huge disappointment ... US didn't expect a small country like Pakistan beaat the shitzz out of Indian airforce and on top they never go for escalated strike in Pakistan.... But US is very happy cuz PaK carries the honor and respect of Lockheed Martin ...

Yes, US is sacred to give high tech to India...because they know Indian horrible maintenance and combat mission record.
 

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its other way around, you will choose to disagree !
You still hanging onto those lies? What Modi told you? Hundred of PLA soldiers captured by Indian at Galwan and beg for forgiveness?

Indian soldiers surrender.jpg
 

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You still hanging onto those lies? What Modi told you? Hundred of PLA soldiers captured by Indian at Galwan and beg for forgiveness?

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lol..u better listen to the lies of CCP, is She under house arrest? did chins disclose the number of chinese casualties in Galwan? what else can be expected from the land of liars and propagandist..live in your restricted world of info like a frog of a well..i pitty on u ppl..🤣🤣
 

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We can commend India for speaking about their national interests like a broken record. I wish Pakistani reps would do the same to benefit this poor nation. Sometimes, when we look up towards our top chair holders, it looks like those chairs are still empty.
 

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lol..u better listen to the lies of CCP, is She under house arrest? did chins disclose the number of chinese casualties in Galwan? what else can be expected from the land of liars and propagandist..live in your restricted world of info like a frog of a well..i pitty on u ppl..🤣🤣
China did disclose number of casualties and I guess modi must have seal up this news and blackout media for troll like you. I can guess you don't even know China has a space station up now or China even landed a working rover on Mars for ordinary indian like you. I can bet you still think suparpowa India is still ahead of China in space and live in your fantasy....

Hail Modi and India media :enjoy:
 

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The ideas behind India and Pakistan are opposite to each other that both cannot succeed at the same time. If one succeeds the other will fail.

Idea behind Pakistan: Minorities in hindu India can have an independent country of their own and succeed on their own.
Idea behind India: minorities can only survive under hindu India and cannot sustain a state on their own which will eventually fail.

If Pakistan was a successful state as it was originally planned then India would have broken apart by now or close to it. If things continue the way they are going in Pakistan, a country which is failing, this country will break apart and India will stay intact.

Compared to Pakistan the idea of India is succeeding so far but there is still one big problem for Indians. Bangladesh which exists on the same idea as Pakistan is succeeding as an independent state. India was successful at dividing Pakistan but now there are two Pakistans for them. Only one needs to succeed to nullify the idea behind India. The odds are still against India.
That’s fascinating. But I think mostly inaccurate. Having a right wing government in place does not suddenly mean the state of India has a religion. Anyone can be anything here as long as you are willing to put the work.

Bangladesh and India are actually closer to each other than people realise. We want them to succeed, so in this we can agree. As for state religion, there are movements in Bangladesh to revert to a secular constitution. Time will reveal what transpires. Whatever the outcome, the future of India-Bangladesh relationship looks quite promising.
 

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That’s fascinating. But I think mostly inaccurate. Having a right wing government in place does not suddenly mean the state of India has a religion. Anyone can be anything here as long as you are willing to put the work.
LOL. Everyone knows about India's state religion.

Bangladesh and India are actually closer to each other than people realise. We want them to succeed, so in this we can agree. As for state religion, there are movements in Bangladesh to revert to a secular constitution. Time will reveal what transpires. Whatever the outcome, the future of India-Bangladesh relationship looks quite promising.
India's goal has always been to eventually take over lands of Pakistan and Bangladesh. Sooner or later Bangalis will also realize this.
 

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You have mentioned a very important point. The USA and Pakistan relationship.

Here on PDF, there is an in-built chip injected in veins of members that Pakistan Govt and Military top brass are yes-men for USA for different reasons- national and personal. This isn't the case but since IK (status God-mode) said so that he received a mysterious letter so at once, the next day, a monumental exposure took place that Pakistan's decision makers in power are actually listening to USA how to run Pakistan. In this case USA is the devil and Pakistan's decision makers are the followers. USA and Pakistan both deal according to their own interests. There have been no proofs - only speculations, analysis, catharsis, stories, etc - all for political reasons.

Political parties are designed and run for one reason only - to win. Whether that party is Pakistani, American, Indian, Turkish, etc. A political party's aim, its existence is to win and stay in power. When, for whatever reason, its ousted from power, it will not sit still unless it comes back in power.

Pakistan knows that America will never ever be happy or contended with Pakistan for a basic reason that Pakistan sits in the ring of another superpower which is China. CPEC is a reality, nuclear weapons, etc. Apart from this, there is a lot of misunderstanding between USA and Pakistan so both countries move according to their mutual interests.
I was referring to American disappointment with Indians. Americans have expectations with them as they are a part of America's defensive strategy against China.

All political parties aim to win. Why would they have a party if it is destined to lose? This is why we have democracy to sort this out. Are you against having political parties? What alternative system do you suggest? Iran/Saudi Arabia? They are always on the verge of eruption.

The idea of Pakistani establishment's slavery of USA is not started by IK. People have known it since Ayoub Khan's times. Now more and more people are getting aware of it.
 

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I was referring to American disappointment with Indians. Americans have expectations with them as they are a part of America's defensive strategy against China.

All political parties aim to win. Why would they have a party if it is destined to lose? This is why we have democracy to sort this out. Are you against having political parties? What alternative system do you suggest? Iran/Saudi Arabia? They are always on the verge of eruption.

The idea of Pakistani establishment's slavery of USA is not started by IK. People have known it since Ayoub Khan's times. Now more and more people are getting aware of it.
Ayub wasn't into American slavery, that can be seen through his gestures in pics with USA presidents. The slave mentality wasn't or isn't actually there, its a term coined to show an exaggerated part through political means. Suffering of PAF through F-16s is another proof that slavery mentality does NOT exist and then JF-17 coming up and reliance of Pakistan towards China for its economy and military is another step. In fact, if looked closely, Pakistan had more projects, interaction and dealings with China than USA. Pakistan has in fact reduced its dependency on USA with passing time and keeping relations with USA is again not slavery.
 

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