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A S-400 cannot protect against a sea surface skimming cruise missile in a coastal attack from a submarine, aimed at a high population density port city like Mumbai. Pakistan has SLCMs and modified anti-ship missiles such as Harpoons. Also an S-400 cannot protect against a nuclear artillery shell lobbed at a city close by such as Amritsar which is within shelling range from Wagah.Nuclear booby trapped trucks left behind or driven close to the border or in the path of an advancing army would also not be intercepted by S-400s.
In an all out nuclear war Pakistan would be launching every single one of its assets along with decoys, immediately as there will be no more wars to fight "tomorrow".
The S-400 was designed by Russia for protection over its vast territories where flight times make detection far easier. The other nuclear adversaries are separated by distance and don't share a contiguous border.
India and Pakistan share a border with close proximity of it's population centers. Even the threat to Israel is not that close or severe, since Iran is much further way.
With India, even a "suitcase bomb" could be delivered by suicide squads.
There is a reason why no country likes a nuclear armed neighbor. Tye USA ensured Mexico never acquired nuclear weapons technology even though a Mexico US conflict is remote..
Will you have the mentioned assets after India's first strike ?

Why do you think India will give pakistan any time to launch these assets ?

Do you have second strike capability that will overwhelm India's Multilayered ballistic missile defence shield of which S400 is just one part.

Idea behind S 400 is just to make you difficult to hit the target thus you will have to deploy more assets for a single target, even then you won't be sure and it is working perfectly.

Between how will pakistan save itself from AGNI ,Brahmos etc ,no one talks about it.... Only then you might get a chance to hit India.
 

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Can't wait. 2 useless countries wasting fine arable land. After the radiation level goes down, I will buy myself some fine real estate for dirt cheap price.

Imagine how much of an agricultural output can be achieved under competent hand.

percentage of arable land per country:

 

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Will you have the mentioned assets after India's first strike ?

Why do you think India will give pakistan any time to launch these assets ?

Do you have second strike capability that will overwhelm India's Multilayered ballistic missile defence shield of which S400 is just one part.

Idea behind S 400 is just to make you difficult to hit the target thus you will have to deploy more assets for a single target, even then you won't be sure and it is working perfectly.

Between how will pakistan save itself from AGNI ,Brahmos etc ,no one talks about it.... Only then you might get a chance to hit India.
All of Pakistan's submarines would have to be taken out . One is enough to level Mumbai. There maybe merchant ships false flagged carrying containers with cruise missiles. A "suitcase" bomb carried over near the border will still cause damage.

There may or may not be a second strike. Pakistan's policy is "launch on detect". Any launch from India will be detected both by Pakistani and allied Chinese satellites. The flight times are five minutes.
Pakistani missile crews are not going to wait for the missile warheads to land to determine if these are nuclear or conventional. Since Pakistan has largely switched to solid fueled missiles the launch times are within the five minute window. All missiles will be launched regardless. This nearly happened in February 2019.


How many will be detected and destroyed by ABM systems is a moot point unless there is a guarantee that S-400s will take out every single missile launched. One landing anywhere is enough. Is Pakistan afraid of going into oblivion?
Not even India's COAS Sam Manekshaw accused Pakistani Armed Forces of cowardice.
 
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Thankfully, the people in the top of Pakistan government and military are not impatient and hotheads as you. They wouldn't want millions of Pakistanis to die, especially when an issue can be resolved politically.
Can be!! You mean the nut head Indians are capable of that!!
Remember until very recently after directions from Biden, India was not willing even to talk with Pakistan.
Then all of a sudden ceasefire on LOC agreed.

Miracle!!

I don't think so, it only means one thing, Indians think they are seriously disadvantage somewhere.

I am livid why Pakistan accepted the ceasefire, it should have demanded reversal of Kashmir status, withdrawal of hundred of thousands of soldiers who are killing innocent kashmiris and raping Kashmiri women.

India is a snake , which should not be trusted.
Not for a single second, under any circumstances.
 

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All of Pakista's submarines would have to be taken out . One is enough to level Mumbai. There maybe merchant ships false flagged carrying containers with cruise missiles. A "suitcase" bomb carried over near the border will still cause damage.

There may or may not be a second strike. Pakistan's policy is "launch on detect". Any launch from India will be detected both by Pakistani and allied Chinese satellites. The flight times are five minutes.
Pakistani missile crews are not going to wait for the missile warheads to land to determine if these are nuclear or conventional. Since Pakistan has largely switched to solid fueled missiles the launch times are within the five minute window. All missiles will be launched regardless. This nearly happened in February 2019.


How many will be detected and destroyed by ABM systems is a moot point unless there is a guarantee that S-400s will take out every single missile launched. One landing anywhere is enough. Is Pakistan afraid of going into oblivion?
Not even India's COAS Sam Manekshaw accused Pakistani Armed Forces of cowardice.
A nuclear scenario comes when their is already a naval and air dominance by India and Indian Army is thrusting into pakistan.

Let's say you attack an incoming IBG with an small nuclear warhead (that too in your territory) resulting in India launching a massive nuclear strike against all your nuclear assets.

How many will survive ?

Are they good enough to overwhelm Indian BMD ( S 400, AAD,PAD,S 300, AKASH ,Other sams) etc ?

COAS was just being kind, in my book the one who signs a surrender document is a coward.
 

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A nuclear scenario comes when their is already a naval and air dominance by India and Indian Army is thrusting into pakistan.

Let's say you attack an incoming IBG with an small nuclear warhead (that too in your territory) resulting in India launching a massive nuclear strike against all your nuclear assets.

How many will survive ?

Are they good enough to overwhelm Indian BMD ( S 400, AAD,PAD,S 300, AKASH ,Other sams) etc ?

COAS was just being kind, in my book the one who signs a surrender document is a coward.
indian air superiority? lmao what?



If you think disorganized vegetarian army has any chance at upsetting a well drilled Pakistan in a nuclear warfare in an all out war you are in for a rude awakening. Trust? That is the doctrine of Pakistan
 

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indian air superiority? lmao what?
If you think disorganized vegetarian army has any chance at upsetting a well drilled Pakistan in a nuclear warfare in an all out war you are in for a rude awakening. Trust? That is the doctrine of Pakistan
This is cute,
What are you waiting for then ? Why can't you liberate Kashmir ?
Have you abandoned your muslim Kashmiri brothers ?
If meatheaded pakistanis are this capable why can't they attack and take Kashmir if not entire India ?
All we have seen in the past 74 years is pakistan being cut to size by veggies.
 

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A nuclear scenario comes when their is already a naval and air dominance by India and Indian Army is thrusting into pakistan.
Our war gaming scenarios will have been determined much before the IBG is thrusting into Pakistan and even the best IBG cannot guarantee a Pakistani collapse in a few hours.

Let's say you attack an incoming IBG with an small nuclear warhead (that too in your territory) resulting in India launching a massive nuclear strike against all your nuclear assets.
Since we know India will do just that, it is far more likely that the "small nuclear warhead " will be a mere distraction, and Pakistan will launch all its assets simultaneously. Why wait for an Indian response?
The "small nuclear warhead " theory is just a diplomatic fig leaf to cover the morality of a "first use". No one seriously believes in that scenario, not even Pakistan's own diplomats.


How many will survive ?
Are they good enough to overwhelm Indian BMD ( S 400, AAD,PAD,S 300, AKASH ,Other sams) etc ?
Only one way to find out... when India attacks.

COAS was just being kind, in my book the one who signs a surrender document is a coward.
I guess the Chinese COAS don't read your "book" and are less kind in describing your ilk. You signed away more than just a surrender document, 38,000 sq km of your territory per your Moscow agreement.

Like this picture of your COAS saluting our troops dated February 1972 after he signed away Chamb. Our COAS is grinning in the background.

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Dear Pakistanis read this again and again before dreaming about any conflict with India , nuclear or non-nuclear.
Who cares ?

125 million is less than 10% of the world's Muslim population,
We will die happy if we can take out 10% of your population.
 

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This is cute,
What are you waiting for then ? Why can't you liberate Kashmir ?
Have you abandoned your muslim Kashmiri brothers ?
If meatheaded pakistanis are this capable why can't they attack and take Kashmir if not entire India ?
All we have seen in the past 74 years is pakistan being cut to size by veggies.
Kashmir was always yours since sicos-picot but you lost half of it via military. But once gloves goes off never think Pakistan wants the other half of Kashmir but all of India.

You have already been overrun by a minority of muslims for almost 1000 years as your rulers what makes you think they can't do it again under the right circumstances all it takes is for the gloves to go off. They know you better then you know yourself and your limitions
 

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This is cute,
What are you waiting for then ? Why can't you liberate Kashmir ?
Have you abandoned your muslim Kashmiri brothers ?
If meatheaded pakistanis are this capable why can't they attack and take Kashmir if not entire India ?
All we have seen in the past 74 years is pakistan being cut to size by veggies.
cuter,
More important when your parliament, COAS and Home Minister are committed to an "Akhand Bharat" then why haven't you done so in 74 years. At least protect your Hindu brethren in Bangladesh and take that country over.


All we have seen is you Indians being clobbered with barbed wire wrapped clubs.
 

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Pakistani collapse happens even before the war forget about IBG, pakistan will be collapsed much before that.
Didn't work last time an IBG threatened us in 1987 and 2002.
You lost half aa many soldiers during Operation Parikram than in 1971.


This is now moving towards stupid and funny section if you think india will wait till you can launch all your assets multiple times and be on defensive every time, absolute rubbish.
Really,.... so India will make a pre-emptive decapitation strike ?

just an iota of credible military intelligence of strategic nuclear strike by pakistan will be more than enough for indian response and this will happen much before that 5 minutes,,,
There was ton's military intelligence in 1999, 2002, and 2019 of a Pakistani response, See Bill Clinton's interview here. India went crying to the world each time.


I don't know whether you are literate enough to know the difference between land swap agreements and an official surrender document.
This was the photo why COAS Sam Manekshaw will always be a legend
That old fart could talk of nothing but himself.
Yes, a "legend" who lived to see his own prime minister and her son assassinated, his own Sikh troops rebelling, his own heroic Sikh general Shahbeg Singh shot by his own army. He lived to see his own country come under a nuclear threat from an enemy he claims to have defeated. He saw India attacked once again in 1999 with more troops killed from an enemy he "defeated"

Read it here:




I can't see any pakistani grinning in this, :lol:
Look again February 1972 .

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We literally butchered you in half ,bangladesh is completely surrounded and under India's thumb and you are talking about what we did ?
we grew and took our country at the centerstage in global trade and commerce building clout resultingly,
Ideological, political and physical boundaries all have been expanded , you can sit back and just see the rest unfolding in front of you.
Snap reality check.

Since then you have been bleeding from a thousand cuts.
A "butchered " cow doesn't get up and butt you. We know from personal experience. We butcher lots of cows.

The "half the country " you took away is populating your North East with illegal migration and changing your demographics. You are welcome to it.

India has the world's largest population of :

1. Illiterates . 35 % of the world's population
2. lepers
3. Blind
4. Underage sex workers


Read the sources here.

Put your opinions on that thread and I will discuss with you there.
Do not derail this thread.
 
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invasion. ; in the International Security Journal earlier this year, M.I.T.’s Viping Narang and the University of Albany’s Christopher Clary write that “serious national security thinkers in India have increasingly discussed the permissibility and strategic benefits of...a nuclear disarming strike in certain extreme circumstances.” A preemptive nuclear strike on Pakistani nuclear targets is not foreclosed for many Indian strategists. Any doctrinal change from India would naturally elicit more paranoia in Pakistan, a country that would simply further bandwagon on the nuclear card for its external defense (Pakistan is conventionally outmatched by India and spends less than one-fifth of what its larger neighbor spends on defense).
"serious national security thinkers in India have increasingly discussed the permissibility and strategic benefits of...a nuclear disarming strike in certain extreme circumstances.” A preemptive nuclear strike on Pakistani nuclear targets is not foreclosed for many Indian strategists"
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Which is why we must PREPARE for nuclear war not attempt to prevent it because it CANT be prevented.

 

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