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Japan and India have broken new ground by discussing the contours of a defence relationship, which will include joint development and production of defence equipment.

The two sides, during meetings here this week, attempted to take forward the initiative taken during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s Tokyo visit in May this year, when Japan bent its strict rules prohibiting international trade in defence equipment by offering to sell India the ShinMaywa US-2, a highly sophisticated amphibious plane.

The business end of the conversation on India and Japan joining hands to produce defence equipment took place during a meeting between National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon and visiting Japanese Senior Vice-Minister of Defence Akinori Eto. The two discussed the existing defence relationship that primarily involves joint exercises, innumerable rounds between the Coast Guards and plans for an expanded second-ever interaction between the navies later this year.

They also discussed how to take this defence relationship forward to include transfer of defence equipment and technology. While India has taken the route of joint development in defence with a few nations, primarily Russia and Israel, the initiative will be different and unique in the case with Japan.

This is because in 1967 Japan voluntarily relinquished international trade in defence equipment under the “Three Principles on Arms Exports.” These principles are: no exports of arms to communist countries; no exports of arms to countries under U.N. sanctions; and, no exports of arms to countries engaged in international conflicts. Nine years later, Japan added a ban on arms-related facilities and technologies to the list.

Relaxation of these norms has been slow in coming and, if it plays its diplomatic cards right, India could become the second country after the U.S. to gain from this. Australia and some European countries are already serenading Japan after it announced some exemptions in overseas transfer of defence equipment in 2011.

India would like to test the waters with the US-2 plane. Instead of simply purchasing the finished product, both sides will be looking at transfer of technology of some of the parts to Indian companies. The intention is to replicate a Maruti-Suzuki kind of venture. New Delhi feels the move to provide some of the inputs from India would benefit both sides because costs are high in Japan.

India, Japan look to bolster defence ties | idrw.org
 

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India to get US-2 seaplanes, but for civilian use
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MAR 27, 2013

Japan is arranging to approve the export of amphibious search and rescue aircraft for civilian use to India, a move aimed at skirting the nation’s arms-export ban, government sources said.

The move represents Japan’s efforts to promote exchanges with India — one of the region’s emerging powers — while putting pressure on China, another Asian power, as Beijing seeks to boost its military clout in regional waters.

It would be the first export of the US-2, which is manufactured by ShinMaywa Industries Ltd. and used by the Self-Defense Forces.

Tokyo plans to begin an internal process soon to convert the aircraft to civilian use, while entering negotiations with India, the sources said.

Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida was to hold talks with his Indian counterpart, Salman Khurshid, in Tokyo on Tuesday, and was expected to discuss the export and confirm plans to intensify bilateral security and defense cooperation.

For several years, India has conveyed its interest in acquiring the four-engine, turboprop seaplane, the sources said, adding that New Delhi said it wants the aircraft for search and rescue operations and antipiracy measures.

According to the Defense Ministry, the US-2 is the world’s only amphibious search and rescue aircraft capable of taking off and landing in rough seas with waves as high as 3 meters.

The aircraft is equipped with a device that distinguishes between friends and foes, and is covered with special armor, making it likely to be considered a weapon, the export of which is banned under the nation’s “three principles on arms exports.”

“When converting the US-2 into civilian use, we need to remove equipment” from the aircraft that would infringe on the export ban, a senior ministry official


India to get US-2 seaplanes, but for civilian use | The Japan Times
 

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Nothing major will come out it unless India genuinely asserts itself and assumes a well defined stand in Geo politics - at the moment it's just wafting around listlessly without making any commitments and not being serious vis a vis its positions or its strategic alignments.

No one will take it seriously until it actually spells it out.
 

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Nothing major will come out it unless India genuinely asserts itself and assumes a well defined stand in Geo politics - at the moment it's just wafting around listlessly without making any commitments and not being serious vis a vis its positions or its strategic alignments.

No one will take it seriously until it actually spells it out.
100% agree with you:tup: if you didn't give yourself importance then why world will give importance to you.
 

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India to get US-2 seaplanes, but for civilian use
KYODO
MAR 27, 2013

Japan is arranging to approve the export of amphibious search and rescue aircraft for civilian use to India, a move aimed at skirting the nation’s arms-export ban, government sources said.

The move represents Japan’s efforts to promote exchanges with India — one of the region’s emerging powers — while putting pressure on China, another Asian power, as Beijing seeks to boost its military clout in regional waters.

It would be the first export of the US-2, which is manufactured by ShinMaywa Industries Ltd. and used by the Self-Defense Forces.

Tokyo plans to begin an internal process soon to convert the aircraft to civilian use, while entering negotiations with India, the sources said.

Foreign Minister Fumio Kishida was to hold talks with his Indian counterpart, Salman Khurshid, in Tokyo on Tuesday, and was expected to discuss the export and confirm plans to intensify bilateral security and defense cooperation.

For several years, India has conveyed its interest in acquiring the four-engine, turboprop seaplane, the sources said, adding that New Delhi said it wants the aircraft for search and rescue operations and antipiracy measures.

According to the Defense Ministry, the US-2 is the world’s only amphibious search and rescue aircraft capable of taking off and landing in rough seas with waves as high as 3 meters.

The aircraft is equipped with a device that distinguishes between friends and foes, and is covered with special armor, making it likely to be considered a weapon, the export of which is banned under the nation’s “three principles on arms exports.”

“When converting the US-2 into civilian use, we need to remove equipment” from the aircraft that would infringe on the export ban, a senior ministry official


India to get US-2 seaplanes, but for civilian use | The Japan Times
It doesn't really make a difference considering that the US-2 will be to transport critical goods to the Navy if at all purchased. All transport aircraft have that.

Besides, if we need it we will install our own electronic warfare equipment made by BEL; just like IAF did with the C-130Js and C-17s.
 

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It doesn't really make a difference considering that the US-2 will be to transport critical goods to the Navy if at all purchased. All transport aircraft have that.

Besides, if we need it we will install our own electronic warfare equipment made by BEL; just like IAF did with the C-130Js and C-17s.
Some avionics changes isn't the issue, but according to Japanese laws they can't sell military techs, so whatever we want to procure from them, it won't be weaponised, nor would it include any systems that can be used for weapons. That might not be a major issue for the US-2 deal (the price should actually be a bigger issue), but limits nearlly all other important relations to them wrt defence, since no vehicles, vessels, weapons, fighters or even co-developments in this regard should be possible with them. That however would be the interesting part, since our main interest should be, to benefit from their exceptional technical and industrial skills. The S. Koreans looks more promissing for India in the defence related sense, with similar capabilities as the Japanese, but less restrictive rules.
 

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Some avionics changes isn't the issue, but according to Japanese laws they can't sell military techs, so whatever we want to procure from them, it won't be weaponised, nor would it include any systems that can be used for weapons. That might not be a major issue for the US-2 deal (the price should actually be a bigger issue), but limits nearlly all other important relations to them wrt defence, since no vehicles, vessels, weapons, fighters or even co-developments in this regard should be possible with them. That however would be the interesting part, since our main interest should be, to benefit from their exceptional technical and industrial skills. The S. Koreans looks more promissing for India in the defence related sense, with similar capabilities as the Japanese, but less restrictive rules.
I agree. The Koreans are much more open to defense cooperation with us.

However, Japan has always been the superpower of Asia and knowing Japanese will to change for the better, they might even remove all the restrictions some day.

But by then we need a regime and a system change to be able to incorporate the techs that we acquire.

It is good that these things are taking time because we need to have an effective system ready before we can take this level of cooperation to a meaningful level.

That'd be possible only if we eliminate zero accountability factor from Indian government establishments and make the lazy sarkaris work for the nation's good.
 

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