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  1. Paksanity

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    As expected Indian members have no justification except this country and that nation is also did this and that! No. It does not change the fact that your countrymen has been instrumental in supplying explosive related materials.

    And again No! We are not responsible where they end up again doesn't cut it. You are especially when you are exporting such material. There is a reason such trade is regulated and license is required. Why license is required? And who issues it? License is required so that such companies do not provide help to undesired groups or individuals intentionally or inadvertently. Who provides the license? The government. Which means government investigates how these companies conduct their business and keeps them under observation. In this case, at best Indian government has committed criminal neglect and at worst has been involved knowingly.

    Licensed government deals doesn't cut it either. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out who could benefit from these exports when you are sending stuff in a burning neighbourhood. It then becomes responsibility of weapon producing government to find out who is the ultimate user of these detonators etc! Again Indian government failed to act responsibly which is a pre requisite of such trade. You aren't exporting bananas. This is IED related material and your neglect or cooperation (choose depending on your side) has ultimately caused terrorism to strengthen. Most alarming is the specific cache which does not have serial number or batch no to identify and trace its trade route. It raises a lot suspicion. It also points out to poor standards of monitoring and safety standards essential for such production and its handling. It could very well be intentional.

    Before blind patriots go nuts over what other have done or have been doing, again no, they are answerable for their acts. You are responsible for yours. Any short coming or neglect by Pakistan or any other nation does not award you the right to arm terrorists. So please focus on your area and investigate as to how this has happened. We expect you to fully cooperate in any investigation that may ensue in the aftermath of these revelations.
     
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  2. The Eagle

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    On 24 February 2015, a CAR field investigation team in Kobane documented a spool of detonating cord produced by Premier Explosives Ltd., India (see image 1). Premier Explosives has confirmed that it sold 6 million metres of detonating cord to the Mechanical Construction Factory, Syria, in 2009 and 2010 (see Annexe F).9 In December 2011, the European Union placed the Mechanical Construction Factory on a sanctions list for acting as a front company for the acquisition of sensitive equipment by the Syrian government’s Scientific Studies and Research Center.10

    CAR field investigators also documented Premier Explosives detonating cord among items that Kurdistan Regional Government security forces seized from an IS cell in early December 2014 in Erbil (see image 2). Premier Explosives has told CAR that it never supplied explosive components to Iraq.11

    Then who did?

    At the same location, CAR field investigators observed plain and electric detonators produced by Rajasthan Explosives and Chemicals, India; plain detonators produced by Premier Explosives, India; and electric detonators produced by IDEAL Industrial Explosives, India. Again, in the absence of serial, batch, and lot numbers, and of manufacturing dates, CAR is unable to document the full chain of custody of these items. Neither Rajasthan Explosives and Chemicals nor IDEAL Industrial Explosives has responded to requests for information.16

    The silence has to be considered as admission?


    The CAR team in Kobane also documented a spool of safety fuse produced by the Indian company Chamundi Explosives. In the absence of serial, batch, and lot numbers, and of a manufacturing date, CAR is unable to document the item’s full chain of custody. Chamundi Explosives has stated that the company had not supplied any product to either Iraq or Syria.13 CAR awaits further correspondence from Chamundi Explosives.

    The Indian company Economic Explosives manufactured the detonators on 25 December 2012 and exported them (on an unspecified date) to the Lebanese company Maybel, Beirut. According to documents provided by Lebanon to CAR on 15 January 2016, Maybel received a licence to import the detonators as well as detonating cord (see above) on 13 May 2014. These detonators were part of a batch of three million detonators14 for which an import authorisation from the Lebanese Ministry of Economy and Trade was received on 3 February 2015 (see Table 4 and Annexe E). YPG forces also captured electric detonators produced by Economic Explosives, but in the absence of serial, batch, and lot numbers, and of a manufacturing date, CAR is currently unable to trace this item’s chain of custody. Economic Explosives did not reply to a request for information.15


    The Lebanese documents provided to CAR (Annexe E) identify the company Maxam, headquartered in Spain, as the exporter of the goods. However, Maxam has informed CAR that the company has never supplied the Indian types of detonating cord or plain detonators documented by CAR, nor does it stock these types. The company states that, on 30 December 2015, it supplied Spanish-manufactured detonating cord and plain detonators to Maybel. One plausible explanation is that Maybel’s renewal license (number 30/2015) enabled it to import from more than one party. CAR is currently seeking clarification from the Lebanese authorities.


    CAR also documented electric detonators manufactured by Rajasthan Explosives and Chemicals in Tuz Khurmatu, Iraq, in October 2014; electric detonators manufactured by Economic Explosives in Erbil in October 2014; electric detonators manufactured by IDEAL Industrial Explosives in Erbil in January 2015; and plain detonators manufactured by Economic Explosives in Kirkuk in April 2015. Due to the absence of shipping information, CAR is currently unable to further document the chain of custody of these items.

    so tells a lot.

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  3. Syama Ayas

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    Again your attempt to equate sovereign nations: Turkey and Lebanon with a terror group like ISIS is deplorable.

    Going by your logic Chinese are supporting TTP militants in Pakistan, considering the fact Chinese 105 mm tank shell on the left was displayed as part of weapons cache recovered from TTP militants. First Turkey now smearing China. Where does this end? with the smearing of Isreal, USA and Iran?

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    Just because you exhibit cognitive inertia doesn't mean rest of entire humanity shares your shortcoming.
     
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  4. Irfan Baloch

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    I do recall the similar looking detonator cords in an FC raid near Quetta. they were laden in the double cabin truk of a Mangal guy during PPP government time and threatened to bring the city down if he was not allowed to go along with his guys and the weapons. the equipment was very generic in nature without any hint of the source although he was returning from Afghanistan. Indians are smart in this case when it comes to Pakistan in covering their tracks.

    back in the days of Zia ...when MQM members were known to have been making their trips to India... they were given Pakistani G3s with telescopes.. the G3s were obtained through raids on police and ranger's posts and encounters and were even scoped (allegedly by Indian handlers.) .. rest were AK -47s ..of chinese or eastern European origins.
    I find it impressive that India is pulling all this off without any risk of reprimand
     
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    why i am not surprised to read all this ?
     
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    Even today all ACETIC ANHYDRIDE a.k.a AA used in manufacture of both explosive and drugs in Afghanistan is coming from India,70% of Explosive used in Terrorism Activities in Pakistan and Afghanistan is of Indian origin,if Indian's are pointed out simply they call it Business.
    Two month's ago a Pakistani LEA confiscated 15000 Ltr of AA from a container(it was mislabeled and shown as another chemical) inbound for Kabul via Port Qasim,after investigation it was reveled that it is 40% of that bulk supply, out of which 60% is inbound for Afghanistan via other routes, after a month of investigation LEA guys reached into a dead end of that tunnel of supply chain.
     
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    The Islamic State's supply chain for IEDs is fast, reliable

    Turkey is a “choke point” for many IED supplies, especially the key chemicals that have legitimate uses in agriculture and other industries, like ammonia nitrite, aluminum and petroleum jelly, the report said.

    Often those products have documentation of legal sales in Turkey and are presumably exported illegally into Iraq and Syria.

    Iraqi Kurdistan and the cities of Kirkuk and Erbil are often the last documented location for ISIS weapons supplies, according to the report.

    The study linked at least 51 companies in 20 countries to the Islamic State supply chain. None of the companies contacted by the researchers admitted any intentional exports to Iraq or Syria or sales to ISIS operatives.

    For example, investigators found several drums of aluminum paste at an ISIS bomb-making facility in Tikrit, Iraq, shortly after ISIS forces withdrew from the city in April 2014. Labels showed the material was manufactured in late 2014 in several counties, including Brazil, China and Romania, and then shipped to distributors in Istanbul.

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  8. Irfan Baloch

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    the thing is .. when it comes to "evidence" then even an alleged phone call or a mobile number is hard evidence against Pakistan but same doesn't apply against India. they are smart they don't need to come across here inside Pakistan and have enough Pakistani origin people to do their bidding. even if we do find some low level Indian agents then that doesn't make any news.
    instead of complaining.. the only way to counter it is to respond in kind in covert ops. against those known camps and sites.
     
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    Lol. It's like saying Toyota is the sponsor of ISIS. :woot:

    ISIS powered by Toyota !! :cheesy:

    Oh puhleez!!

    Even Maruti Suzuki's OMNI van is widely used for kidnapping purpose, that doesn't mean Maruti Suzuki endorses kidnapping. Your allegations don't prove a thing or two.
     
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  10. Irfan Baloch

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    same issue Pakistan had with ammunition nitrate which was used in whole sale by terrorists in attack inside Pakistan and Afghanistan .. later on alternate methods were adopted in production of Urea and other fertilizers with the help of the Americans.
     
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  11. MUSTAKSHAF

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    You are certainly right sir,but for last part you need a Political Leadership with balls of steel and Military Leadership with no business interest and Public gathered on one mark but unfortunately we don't have have any of above.
     
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  12. Paksanity

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    You see no difference in automobiles and explosive detonators? More than shady trade you guys are involved in, it's the attitude of irresponsibility which is of concern. You guys are not willing to show responsibility for arms and explosives being produced in your country and exported. This is very dangerous for world which is already struggling to choke terrorism.
     
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  13. Brahmaputra Mail

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    Your all-weather friend Ottomans are more involved with supporting ISIS than India ever will. Infact the only support from India to IS comes from your fellow Kashmiri brethrens of the Kashmir valley.:devil:
     
  14. Paksanity

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    As I said repeatedly, you are responsible for your actions and they are for theirs. If somebody else is doing it, you get the right to do it too? Pretty lame excuses you guys are making now. Please focus on India which is your country.
     
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  15. Brahmaputra Mail

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    Well ISIS is not India's problem. It's just usual business of exporting things. Tell me, should Toyota just stop exporting pick-up trucks to Middle East just for the sake of ISIS ? They can't. They can't afford to lose their market. Same can be said about Indian companies doing exports to Middle East.