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@pakpride00090 I generally don't do this but tagging you so that you can test the theory of united India with the 'Ground Realities' .... This is the India which Mulana Azad and Mulana Madni wanted for muslims of whole of South Asia.
Maulana are to be the last one to be taken seriously as they have only one prism which has green shade.

Moulana azad was true moulana who wanted India to be turned into Darul Islam which they could have if not partitioned.
Moulana was not mourning at the creation of Pakistan but what great loss pakistan did to his dream to convert India into Darul Islam.



There is a push back to stop islamization of our festival which is necessary for our identity & all legal means should be on table to protect our interst at any cost.

Now PPL understand the nuances of Darul harab vs Islam so won't let muslim to blackmail Hindus in the name is secularism.

We don't need skull cap covered secularism, anyway secularism was not part of original preamble, it was later inserted during emergency.

And if PPL talk about fascism then the buck will stop at present time, it will go back in history & dig out the reason how pagans from Arab & Europe were completely wiped off in just a few decades. Few narcissists & fascists have done great damage to homogenise the faith of different humans.
 

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Maulana are to be the last one to be taken seriously as they have only one prism which has green shade.

Moulana azad was true moulana who wanted India to be turned into Darul Islam which they could have if not partitioned.
Moulana was not mourning at the creation of Pakistan but what great loss pakistan did to his dream to convert India into Darul Islam.
Maulana Azad understood people of Indus are different from the rest of India. Likewise, there are major differences within India where people cannot be transplanted whether Muslim or Hindu.
 

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There is an expectation from Pakistanis that Indian Muslims "support" them.
This is exactly what I pointed out in my post as weird sense of superiority

Bhai a simple question for what we need the support of Indian Muslim .... ???

They can't support their own fellow Indians Muslim but you think Pakistan would seek support or expect support from Indian Muslims .... ???

As far as the "Religious Affinity" is concern I have already told you they show sense of Righteousness in every opportunity they get, be It the Mehmood Madni who I think is the current head of Deoband Madarsa in India or the so called Ghadi Nasheens of Sufi Shrins in India. This attitude is not limited to these religious leaders only but in their followers as well

So why are you ignoring the context .... ???

Brother no one in Pakistan is seeking any "Support" from Indian Muslims in Pakistan.

We know Indian Muslim can't even question wrong doing of their government against them than how could the support us.

Is that what Islam and your cultural upbringing has taught you - that when tragedy befalls someone you smugly rejoice in your comfortable houses?
again as I said in my post earlier the SENSE OF SUPERIORITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS, you have the audacity to question our religious learnings and our upbringing but fail to realize that NO ONE in Pakistan support or encourage any ill will for Indian Muslims, on the other hand its the other side who always pass statements such as below
"Hindustan Ka Musalman Bohat Mazboot Hai Wo Apna Difa Khud ker Sakta Hai" (Statement of Mehmood Madni)

You can google hundreds if not thousand similar statements by many Leaders of Indian Muslims, so if you don't want us to show our empathy towards the Indian Muslims then why complain, walk the talk .... we don't show any negative emotions towards Indian Muslim.
I do not know why that is, but that is obvious in your comments above.
Completely wrong understanding of my post, and the Pakistani mindset
I feel that you want Indian Muslims to suffer to justify the existence of your state.
If I remember correctly there is a Persian saying Amad-e-Aftab, Dalil Az Aftab which loselly means that Shine of the Sun is prove of the existence of the Sun

Similar is the case here our creation and existence itself is the justification of our existence why would we need the justification of our existence by suffering of Indian Muslims.

It is the other side the Indian muslims who think that they are suffering because of the creation of Pakistan, you yourself have accepted this truth manytimes.

Its them who question our ideological basis and our existence.
Every time there is a lynching of Indian Muslims, the forum is flooded with "Thank you Pakistan"
It is good that you raised this question as it is better to ask rather to assumes wrongly

We says Thank you Pakistan or Thank You Jinnah because we are not suffering in the same manner as Indian Muslims are suffering

We sincerely feel that the State of Pakistan has kept us secured and protected from the ill wills of Indian Hindus, we thank the Far sightedness and Political wisdom of Jinnah so what is wrong in this .... ??

If you or any other Indian Muslim who question this, our simple act of gratitude towards our State and towards our founding father than it mean in back of their mind they want us to suffer the same way as they are suffering in India .... ???

Brother plz answer is this what you want or Indian Muslims want ... ??

For us, Pakistan is just another Muslim country like Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.
But do the Indian Muslims curse and abuse KSA or any other muslim country in the same manner as they curse and abuse Pakistan .... ???
 
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This is exactly what I pointed out in my post as weird sense of superiority my post

Bhai a simple question for what we need the support of Indian Muslim .... ???

They can't support their own fellow Muslim Indians but you think Pakistan would seek support or expect support from Indian Muslim .... ???

As far as the "Religious Affinity" is concern I have already told you they show sense of Righteousness in every opportunity they get, be It the Mehmood Madni who I think is the current head of Deoband Madarsa in India or the so called Ghadi Nasheens of Sufi Shrins in India. This attitude is not limited to these religious leaders but in their followers as well

So why are you ignoring the context .... ???

Brother no one in Pakistan is seeking any "Support" from Indian Muslims in Pakistan.

We know Indian Muslim can't even question wrong doing of their government against them than how could the support us.


again as said in my post earlier the SENSE OF SUPERIORITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS, you have the audacity to question our religious learnings and our upbringing but fail to realize that NO ONE in Pakistan support or encourage any ill will for Indian Muslims, on the other hand its the other side who always pass statements such as below
"Hindustan Ka Musalman Bohat Mazboot Hai Wo Apna Difa Khud ker Sakta Hai" (Statement of Mehmood Madni)

You can google hundreds if not thousand similar statements by many Leaders of Indian Muslims, so if you don't want us to show our empathy towards the Indian Muslims then why complain, walk the talk .... we don't show any negative emotions towards Indian Muslim.

Completely wrong understanding of my post, and the Pakistani mindset

If I remember correctly there is a Persian saying Amad-e-Aftab, Dalil-e-Aftab which loselly means that Shine of the Sun is prove of the sun existence

Similar is the case here our creation and existence itself is the justification of our existence why would we need the justification of our existence by suffering of Indian Muslims.

It is the other side the Indian muslims who think that they are suffering because of the creation of Pakistan, you yourself have accepted this truth manytimes.

Its them who question our ideological basis and our existence.

It is good that you raised this question as it is better to ask rather to assumes wrongly

We says Thank you Pakistan or Thank You Jinnah because we are not suffering in the same manner as Indian Muslims are suffering

We sincerely feel that the State of Pakistan has kept us secured and protected from the ill wills Indian Hindus, we than the far sightedness and political wisdom of Jinnah so what is wrong in this .... ??

If you or any other Indian Muslim who question this our simple act of gratitude towards our State and our founder want us to suffer the same way as they are suffering .... ???

Brother is this what you want or any other Indian Muslim ... ??


But do the Indian Muslims curse and abuse KSA or any other muslim country in the same manner as they curse and abuse Pakistan .... ???
Pakistan is based on two nation theory. Your view of India is based on ideology.
 

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This is exactly what I pointed out in my post as weird sense of superiority

Bhai a simple question for what we need the support of Indian Muslim .... ???

They can't support their own fellow Muslim Indians but you think Pakistan would seek support or expect support from Indian Muslim .... ???

As far as the "Religious Affinity" is concern I have already told you they show sense of Righteousness in every opportunity they get, be It the Mehmood Madni who I think is the current head of Deoband Madarsa in India or the so called Ghadi Nasheens of Sufi Shrins in India. This attitude is not limited to these religious leaders but in their followers as well

So why are you ignoring the context .... ???

Brother no one in Pakistan is seeking any "Support" from Indian Muslims in Pakistan.

We know Indian Muslim can't even question wrong doing of their government against them than how could the support us.


again as said in my post earlier the SENSE OF SUPERIORITY and RIGHTEOUSNESS, you have the audacity to question our religious learnings and our upbringing but fail to realize that NO ONE in Pakistan support or encourage any ill will for Indian Muslims, on the other hand its the other side who always pass statements such as below
"Hindustan Ka Musalman Bohat Mazboot Hai Wo Apna Difa Khud ker Sakta Hai" (Statement of Mehmood Madni)

You can google hundreds if not thousand similar statements by many Leaders of Indian Muslims, so if you don't want us to show our empathy towards the Indian Muslims then why complain, walk the talk .... we don't show any negative emotions towards Indian Muslim.

Completely wrong understanding of my post, and the Pakistani mindset

If I remember correctly there is a Persian saying Amad-e-Aftab, Dalil-e-Aftab which loselly means that Shine of the Sun is prove of the sun existence

Similar is the case here our creation and existence itself is the justification of our existence why would we need the justification of our existence by suffering of Indian Muslims.

It is the other side the Indian muslims who think that they are suffering because of the creation of Pakistan, you yourself have accepted this truth manytimes.

Its them who question our ideological basis and our existence.

It is good that you raised this question as it is better to ask rather to assumes wrongly

We says Thank you Pakistan or Thank You Jinnah because we are not suffering in the same manner as Indian Muslims are suffering

We sincerely feel that the State of Pakistan has kept us secured and protected from the ill wills Indian Hindus, we than the far sightedness and political wisdom of Jinnah so what is wrong in this .... ??

If you or any other Indian Muslim who question this, our simple act of gratitude towards our State and towards our founding father than it mean in back of their mind they want us to suffer the same way as they are suffering in India .... ???

Brother plz answer is this what you want or any other Indian Muslim ... ??


But do the Indian Muslims curse and abuse KSA or any other muslim country in the same manner as they curse and abuse Pakistan .... ???
Your post misinterprets many statements I have made. I don't see a point in countering every misplaced statement of yours, but I will make a few points that I feel need to be made.

When I use the word "support", I don't mean acting like a veritable fifth column of Pakistan within India, but more like, why aren't Indian Muslims pro-Pakistan. I have offered an explanation why they are not. Why/How would anyone who hasn't seen Pakistan or a Pakistani become pro-Pakistan? Indian Muslims are now a third or fourth generation in India; most are poor and eking out a miserable life, and you expect them to sing paeans of what a great country Pakistan is?

The irony here is the Hindus accuse us of being pro-Pakistan. All our lives we have been called "saaley Pakistani" and Pakistanis on the other hand call us "slaves of Hindus" and what not. Can we ever be just Muslims to either? Do we have to be denigrated with a slur?

I note that you have used Mahmood Madani as representative of Indian Muslims. Just like you have your opportunistic Mullahs in Pakistan, we have ours in India. Would it be fair if I judged every Pakistani based on the statements of Maulana Fazlur Rahman?
Mahmood Madani has literally zero following in India and is used only by the TV channels when they want to present a Muslim for their purpose.

Finally, to repeat again the point that Indian Muslims and their questioning whether the creation of Pakistan was in the best interest of the Muslims of South Asia. I have already explained that for us, it is simply a numbers game. This is not based on any superiority complex or pride. We are dealing with a majoritarian society that relishes oppressing minorities and takes great pride in it. If you lived in our country, you would want the other 450 million in Pakistan and Bangladesh with you to keep these fascists in check.
 
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why aren't Indian Muslims pro-Pakistan.
I think misunderstanding is at the both sides just as example, you in your post as quoted above that we want Indian Muslim to be pro-Pakistani, again this is wrong ....

We don't want any Indian be it Indian Hindu or Muslim to be a pro-Pakistani.

What hurts the feeling of a common Pakistani is the attitude of Indian muslim when they act more hostile and abusive towards us to prove their loyalty towards India ....

Is it necessary .... ???

When they more often than any other Indian Hindu question our ideological basis .... do you think this act of Indian muslims raise any positive feelings for them in Pakistan .... ???

Bhai many Indian Muslim talked about religious polarization of Indian society and its negative impact on Indian Muslim but even then they find it necessary to mention that there was no need for the creation of Pakistan there was no religious biasedness back then and Two Nation Theory is bogus

Do you think we must welcome this thought process and argument .... ???

This must be tolerated by Pakistanis under the title of Religious Affinity .... ???

Bhai when Indian Muslims themselves are being targeted in India because of their religious identity how could they expect us to withdraw from ideology of Two Nation Theory .... ???

Don't you see the contradiction in the political thought process of Indian Muslim .... ???

It is a common knowledge we Pakistanis don't like Indian much ... then why complain about this .... ???

it is simple act like Indian be ready to be treated like Indian, then why complain .... ???

Pakistanis on the other hand call us "slaves of Hindus" and what not.
No We don't call all of Indian Muslim as slaves of Hindus but we do consider some of them like the Madni Clan, Waseem Rizvi type characters, some BJP related characters and Congressi Muslim as Slave of Indian Hindus.

They have earned this tile and deserve this.

In the last a simple question when Indian muslim in their quest of proving themselves as Loyal Citizen of Modern India and do all those stunts then why they expect us Pakistanis not to dislike it and ignore it under the grab of "Religious Affinity" .... ???
 

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I think misunderstanding is at the both sides just as example, you in your post as quoted above that we want Indian Muslim to be pro-Pakistani, again this is wrong ....

We don't want any Indian be it Indian Hindu or Muslim to be a pro-Pakistani.

What hurts the feeling of a common Pakistani is the attitude of Indian muslim when they act more hostile and abusive towards us to prove their loyalty towards India ....

Is it necessary .... ???

When they more often than any other Indian Hindu question our ideological basis .... do you think this act of Indian muslims raise any positive feelings for them in Pakistan .... ???

Bhai many Indian Muslim talked about religious polarization of Indian society and its negative impact on Indian Muslim but even then they find it necessary to mention that there was no need for the creation of Pakistan there was no religious biasedness back then and Two Nation Theory is bogus

Do you think we must welcome this thought process and argument .... ???

This must be tolerated by Pakistanis under the title of Religious Affinity .... ???

Bhai when Indian Muslims themselves are being targeted in India because of their religious identity how could they expect us to withdraw from ideology of Two Nation Theory .... ???

Don't you see the contradiction in the political thought process of Indian Muslim .... ???

It is a common knowledge we Pakistanis don't like Indian much ... then why complain about this .... ???

it is simple act like Indian be ready to be treated like Indian, then why complain .... ???



No We don't call all of Indian Muslim as slaves of Hindus but we do consider some of them like the Madni Clan, Waseem Rizvi type characters, some BJP related characters and Congressi Muslim as Slave of Indian Hindus.

They have earned this tile and deserve this.

In the last a simple question when Indian muslim in their quest of proving themselves as Loyal Citizen of Modern India and do all those stunts then why they expect us Pakistanis not to dislike it and ignore it under the grab of "Religious Affinity" .... ???
Why don't you have two nation theory with Afghanistan?
 

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If I were Pakistani, I would find it very disturbing to prop up another country for my identity [two nation theory]. And it's not just another country, but a country preferably 100% Hindu. I really don't understand why Jinnah whose grandfather was Hindu could make comments like Muslims and Hindus cannot live together. Its simply wrong to speak for millions like that.
 

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Why don't you have two nation theory with Afghanistan?
If you till now have failed to notice that I am ignoring you and your post then plz allow me to state it clearly

"I don't respond to IDIOTS and IGNORANT and False Flag Indians"

Note To Common Readers: This post is one fine example of Idiocy and Ignorance
 

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If you till now have failed to notice that I am ignoring you and your post then plz allow me to state it clearly

"I don't respond to IDIOTS and IGNORANT and False Flag Indians"

Note To Common Readers: This post is one fine example of Idiocy and Ignorance
I am not an ideologue, therefore I am an idiot. I see.
 

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Bangladesh is a Muslim state as per partition

It's just Pakistan by another name

Jinnah was simply right about India and what's happening now is the fruition of who's vision
Ok, I would have loved to name it Banglishtan for brotherly feelings..
 

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