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India developing sub-sonic 1,000-km range cruise missile 'Nirbhay': DRDO chief

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  1. desiman

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    the range of this missile will be around 1000km where on the other hand the Brahmos has less range than that. The range is the key thing here.
     
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    Actually Indian Army wanted a cheaper subsonic cm thats why whole project came to existence ,since India can build this kind of system so the path was taken , work on missile began only few years ago max 2 years not 5 has posted by some members and first test flight will begun by 2011-12
     
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    Is Nirbhay going to be powered by jet engine (Turbojet? Turbofan?) like Tomahawk, or powered by rocket engines?
    If its jet engine, what jet engine are we going to use? Kaveri/Kabini-core needs a few more years to mature and is too big for a cruise missile.
    Rocket engines are simpler, but consumer more fuel.
     
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    A supersonic aircraft needs to have a higher response rate FLCS in order to negotiate terrain. One example of this is called 'bang-bang' guidance...

    Laser Guided Bombs - Smart Weapons
    Bang-bang guidance is usually reserved for very close distance navigation, or negotiations, between two rapidly closing bodies. For the example above, the bodies are the Earth and the falling bomb. Fin deflections are always at their maximum rate and limits in orienting the bomb to a specific point on the ground. This is akin to driving a car but you can only navigate by turning the steering wheel to one stop -- bang -- to the other stop -- bang -- hence the term 'bang-bang' guidance.

    Bang-bang guidance for a supersonic missile so that it can negotiate terrain would have the missile be so physically robust because of the stress induced by maneuvers that it would make no sense, financial or else, to develop one. So if the desire is to have a supersonic cruise missile, then it must fly at an altitude that would take it over most terrain, making it vulnerable to early radar detection with that higher altitude.
     
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    You wouldn't have said that if you knew about some Recent Tests that took place close to your IndoPak Border.


    Do you know that one of those tests was Hataf VII , good luck with finding what it was:D
     
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    Added a multi Platform Launch capability would make it more versatile.
     
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    Nirbhay, cool name
     
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    Yup, you are right.

    That's what makes a Brahmos deadlier than tomahawks.
     
  9. below_freezing

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    the headlines should read:

    india develops subsonic cruise missile inferior to CJ-10, HN-3, DH-10 and Tomahawk.

    i lol at those that think it is easy to beat cruise missiles with SAMs, then why did saddam get completely wrecked by tomahawks, because his SAMs couldn't even see them at the low altitude they were flying at.
     
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    was saddam using patriots,s-300s,spyders....if i accept indian tech is :hitwall:will u stop posting such bs,please tell me,am willing to do it..
     
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    How can you claim superiority over a system that is not yet built?

    Patriot, Stinger or Mistral are all SAM's or surface to air missiles that are quite capable of intercepting cruise missiles, in fact the makers of Stinger Raytheon have this to say....

    http://www.raytheon.com/capabilitie...ts/content/rtn_rms_ps_navstinger_datashee.pdf
     
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    Depends on how much Maneuverability Missile has .
    Its hard to achieve at supersonic profile ,
    my understanding says - its hard to stop Subsonic missile. coz of added maneuverability

    Secondly how much signature does CMs give to be tracked by land based or AWACS platform to imply successful interception.
    If BMs which follow a fixed trajectory of launch and re-entry are hard to intercept , a Babur/tomhawk must be more difficult
     
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    BTW.. What engine powers babur crusie missile?
     
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    it is claimed as such, in fact every modern system has the capability to intercept subsonic missiles, but in a real conflict the cruise missile will be flying at extremely low altitudes that are difficult to detect with long range radars, while the probability of a stinger intercept due to its short range is low.
     
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    This is a more reasonable response from you, you are now talking about probability. Yes a single stinger fired for the purpose of intercepting a cruise missile may fail but you improve your odds by firing several. If the intended target is a US Navy ship then the probability of a stinger intercept is improved by the platform's (Sea Scorpion 2) ability to receive target information from external sources (radar, target designators).

    Stinger is a short range air defense weapon, but the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) is much more effective against cruise missiles and supersonic cruise missiles. The probability of an ESSM intercepting a Brahmos,sea skimming Exocet or cruise missile is much higher. I was surprised to discover the Raytheon ESSM brochure actually mentions the Brahmos by name :eek:

    http://www.raytheon.com/capabilitie...cuments/content/rtn_rms_ps_essm_datasheet.pdf
     
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