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India developing sub-sonic 1,000-km range cruise missile 'Nirbhay': DRDO chief

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  1. qsaark

    qsaark SENIOR MEMBER

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    Its not only 'Nirbhay' that has or would have these qualities; most in fact all modern CMs are terrain hugging, using inertial guidance and capable of delivering multiple types of payload.
     
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    i just wish we have a combo of BRAHMOS's speed and NIRBHAY's range..
     
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    read my answer on post #18. might help you.
    He just copy-pasted what the developers of Nirbhay stated. Don't blame him.
     
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    Loitering missiles and space-based sensors are very good idea those our enemies cannot effort. This will give India definitive edge oven them. It also reduces work load of the armed forces. When tracked by the spaced based sensors, these loitering missiles can search and destroy the targets on thier own.

    Bravo India!

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    Name one country whose missiles never failed? :pop:
     
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    Yes I do know that, but it has more range than BRAHMOS, just a substitute to brahmos, Brahmos dosent have range, but speed which makes it superior, nirbhay Is like ordinary cruise missiles but with more range...
     
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  6. qsaark

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    So now you know why PA chose to go with a subsonic CM over a supersonic one? Good that India finally came to appreciate the 'advantages' of a subsonic CM though examples were already set by BGM-109, AGM-129, Raduga Kh-55, CJ-10 which all have 1000+km range and subsonic. Though before this news, these 'advantages' could not be seen by many Indian friends here.
     
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    A subsonic cruise missile is a soft target for ABM's, But Once you have a missile which can penetrate into enemy Air defense, a missile like BRAHMOS which does that, You certainly need a back up, that is lesser speed but High range, Nirbhay would make a perfect partner of BRAHMOS
     
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    Brahmos will be used to neutralise SAM sites after which a barrage of Nirbhays will attack airfields etc. This has nothing to do with quality or quantity, though one is obviously far harder to intercept than the other.
     
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    Wow...Xinhua beats ToI in sensationalism. Just check out the headlines
    ToI: India developing sub-sonic 1,000-km range cruise missile 'Nirbhay': DRDO chief - The Times of India

    Xinhua: India Develops Sub-sonic Stealth Cruise Missile
     
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    We never said subsonic missile had no advantage. But their advantage is less expense. If we can afford to spend more, then obviously a faster missile is a better option.

    Nirbhay is a low end missile. It can be afforded in great numbers, whereas Brahmos costs a lot so not many can be produced.

    BUT in war scenario, Brahmos provides a clear advantage which can not be nullified by any other missile. All the mission critical tasks would be assigned to Brahmos. Nirbhay would be for not so important targets.

    I definitely wouldn't want to use a $3 million missile to destroy a bunker. For tasks like these Nirbhay would be used. Brahmos would used to neutralize SAMs, Airbases, Headquarters etc.
    I hope you understand.
     
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    Brahmos is still much better than Nirbhay. Nirbhay can be stopped but not Brahmos. Many countries have subsonic cruise missiles but very very few countries have missiles like Brahmos. Once launched its almost impossible for the enemy to save itself from Brahmos. Nirbhay can be intercepted by Akash, SPYDER and Barak-NG over land.
     
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    As you see here, both missiles have different requirements and inhibit different strategies.

    One is supersonic/hypersonic(in development) for short ranged high valued targets.Also its costly a 2.2-3 million a piece(depending upon variants).
    Though a 300 km range missile is enough to deal with pakistan by launching from border areas,it cant be used for mass scale attacking and is short legged.
    Hence the need for a long ranged mass production capable variant for overhelming strikes.
    For IA Nirbhay and Prithvi are the only way out.
    But IAF will be getting Nirbhay on top of its Next gen ADM(with 1200km range and mach 2 speed) both these will satisfy the IAF requirement.

    Even if you consider any military world wide, they simply dont rely on one sort of high/low end technologies. there needs to be parity. High end and low end.All high end? no country can afford them.All low end? not good enough.

    Cruise missile force of India is pretty much good with regards to pak.
    It inducted a supersonic Brahmos LACM,Hypersonic Shourya getting ready for induction, Sub-sonic Nirbhay will be readied sooner than later.
    OF these Nirbhay will be used along side tube artillery(like smerch and Pinaka I/II) without out using boots on ground.
    IA,IAF,IN wants to network to a much possible extent to reduce boots on ground.Which means relying on artillery and tactical missiles.This goes well with the plan of surprise attacking and quick reaction.
    At the end of the day, it is only the doctrine that call for different types of weapons and systems.Brahmos was a system went into development before cold-start was formulated.
    But cold-start called for much agressive firepower to choke the enemy,so that boots will be put on the ground after C3I is taken care of with long range strikes.
     
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    double post
     
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    ABM = Anti-Ballistic Missile. You are proposing to counter a smaller-than-aircraft terrain hugging Cruise Missile with ABM? So far the efficacy of an ABM against a BM is questionable how on earth a CM would be a 'soft target' for an ABM system?

    No doubt; former is operational and later is still on the drawing board.
     
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    Stop finding errors qsaark. You've been better. ;)

    These members are new. Let them learn.
     
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