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India: Church in Kerala sets up sena, enlists ex-military men

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  1. Jyotish

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    Church in Kerala sets up sena, enlists ex-military men

    Shaju Philip

    November 7, 2019

    In what’s probably a first, the Catholic Church in Kerala has formed a unit of retired military and paramilitary men. Called the Gabriel Sena — the name is a Biblical reference to angel Gabriel, who is considered God’s messenger and one of the seven guardian angels — the group has been formed to help with crowd control.

    The Gabriel Sena, launched in the archdiocese of Thalassery in Kannur last month, will hold its first meeting at Taliparamba in Kannur district on November 15.

    The launch of the Sena comes at a time when the clergy has come in for questioning from the faithful on a number of issues, from sex scandals to land rows. Recently, a section of the faithful belonging to the archdiocese of Ernakulam had marched to the Cardinal House in Kochi demanding the resignation of Cardinal George Alencherry, who is embroiled in a land row. Last year, the arrest of Bishop Franco Mulakkal of the Jalandhar diocese, who was accused of raping a nun, came after sustained pressure from a group of nuns and a section of the laity.

    Gabriel Sena director Fr Mathew Ashariparambil, who said the retired military and paramilitary men should become “guardians of faith and warriors of ideals”, added that their services would be used mostly for crowd control.

    “More than a group, the Sena will be a fellowship of ex-uniformed personnel. We are expecting around 150 people to turn up for our first meeting on November 15, he said, adding that the Sena’s members will be deployed for the first time during a farmers rally to be organised by the church in Kannur in December.

    Ashariparambil said the group had no communal agenda and any Catholic was free to join it. “We have urged all ex-uniformed men to join us. Also, those associated with other organisations are free to continue with their engagements while being part of the Sena, he said.

    Alexander T, an ex-serviceman who is now a member of the Sena, said he is happy to contribute his services to the church. “We ex-servicemen are a pool of skills. We can work as volunteers for functions and manage church events,” said Alexander, who retired as havildar from the Madras Engineer Group in 2015.

    George K, another ex-serviceman associated with the Sena, said that while he was happy to contribute his services to the church, but wasn’t happy about the Sena as a formal grouping. “We church-goers already have our own professional body in which all ex-servicemen are members. If someone seeks our services as volunteers, it is welcome. But I will not be part of the Sena if it is floated as an association or a body, he said.

    The Church in Kerala has been organising its laymen on professional grounds, with separate forums for teachers, doctors and Non-Resident Keralites.

    When asked for his reaction to the church setting up the Sena, George Joseph, secretary of Joint Christian Council, a body representing laymen, said, “In the present situation, where churches have been fighting among themselves for supremacy and to gain control of properties and churches, the formation of such a Sena is an alarming trend, especially if their services are used to intimidate the faithful who oppose the clergy.”

    Recently, the Orthodox and Jacobite churches, both non-Catholic segments, have been fighting for control of several churches in Central Kerala.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/i...sets-up-sena-enlists-ex-military-men-6107025/
     
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    Essentially a Christian milita under control of a church. This should be good.
     
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    they need it, India is heading for Mad Max level of insanity with RSS and Hindutva ideology.
    Minorities will have to fend for themselves and it will be survival of the fittest only.
    Muslims there are still living in a fantasy world of Muslim-Hindu bhai bhai. They will be the first to go.
    Christians are smart tho, they see the writing on the wall.
     
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    Too much expectation .
    You can cry as much as you want .
    But here there is no problem .
    Why you are this much afraid of RSS?
     
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    BJP/RSS/Hindutva are the best things ever happened to Pak vis-a-vis India...
     
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  6. Rusty

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    There was also no problems for Nazis in the 1930s.
     
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    This is not a "First".

    Church in kerala always had armed men and armies before the british outlawed them.

    They also used to trade in slaves with the dutch and Portuguese and british till the british outlawed that too.

    One of the bishops (syrian christian) also promised to help the Portuguese defeat the Hindu kings of kerala who have them refuge, in the name of religion.

    I am more interested to see how many ex-servicemen actually join this religious "sena".

    BTW there is a record of by Tipu’s son, Prince Gholam Mohammed in his narrative of the history of his father and grandfather.

    Here, the Jesuit provincial, an Italian, produced a letter from the Archibishop of Cochin, who recommended to him a Malabar priest of the community of Christians of St. Thomas, whose diocesan the Archibishop was. He was deputed, together with three other laymen of his country, to request of Hyder the permission to keep fire-arms, under the pretence that, by not being armed , they ran the risk of being robbed by the Nairs, and the soldiers of Hyder.

    Hyder replied “You people (The Syrian Christians) have been disarmed, because you assasinated each other, being always at enimity on account of your different castes: I shall take care to place safe guards in the country, to prevent my people from molesting you, and I shall send troops sufficient to disperse the Nairs.”
     
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    Repeat that for crores for time IN Pakistan.
    Nooone in India cares about it .
    We knows what is India and RSS .
     
  9. Rusty

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    Christians care enough to arm themselves :azn:

    you are the definition of that dog in a room full of fire saying "there is no problem here"
     
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    Actually I am an Indian ,the citizen that concerns about our nation.
    What we can conclude from here is that , you cant accept with the fact that the India is now in right path to become a advanced nation without following western model but our own traditional model .
    And minorities in India dont rise up to your expectation where they create problems in nation .Infact they dont even care because there is no problem for them.And you cant accept that also.

    Christians in Kerala is questioning this move of Church actually .



    You should worry about your nation.
    Noone in values what a foreigner thinks about our nation .
    How many times do we need to tell you that ?
     
  11. Rusty

    Rusty SENIOR MEMBER

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    yep, India is a supa dupa galactic pawa. Been hearing that since 2010 :cheesy:

    You must also be basing your "reality" on this video
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    This is a PAKISTANI forum bharati and we will discuss whatever we want to discuss.

    If you dont like it than GTFO and go join your gutter bharat ratsh!t forum and stay out.
     
  13. SrNair

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    You can say whatever you want.
    I was just clear the misconception that whatever you are saying is just rounding in this forum only.

    In India reality is diffèrent.


    Your disappointment is quite entertaining .
     
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    Than STFU and dont tell us what we should discuss. Nobody gives an eff what you think happens in India. Next time you start complaining on a pakistani forum you are always welcome to leave and go to your bharati forums and cry a river.
     
  15. Rusty

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    If you say so :cheesy: