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India and Pakistan need to reunite like Germany and Vietnam: Markandey Katju

Discussion in 'Central & South Asia' started by kahonapyarhai, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. jamahir

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    You are not wrong to say that we don't to reunite.

    Just like how Syria and pre-2003 Iraq were individual countries but had a common progressive political governing ideology ( the Ba'ath ideology ) so too can India, Pakistan and Bangladesh be individual countries but have the same governing ideology.

    The most immediate such progressive ideology can be the "Swaraaj" ideology which is a direct-democracy system followed by the Aam Aadmi Party of India. This ideology is not limited by national borders.

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  2. padamchen

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    Think about @Joe Shearer also please.

    Cheers, Doc
     
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    out of the 28 names listed by you, 18 are non Tamil aka brahmins known to be rabid anti Tamils e.g Subramania swamy, who calls Tamil Porkis, Nirmala sitharaman , Mani Ratnam etc. Abdul Kalam a crypto brahmin grew up with brahmins. Kalanidhi maran mom is brahmin. Next time please pick credible Tamils

    Btw in case you are unaware , con man Nithyananda has fled india and fraud Jaggi is Telugu



    for more than 700 yrs India was under British imperialism, Tamilnadu is only 70 yrs under Hindi imperialism, still a long way to go, however the ground work has to start

    These were the 2 points raised by the justice Katju to justify the unification of Pakistan with India shared culture and India , Pakistan were 1 country under Mughal. Tamilnadu does not meet these 2 criteria , so how can Tamilnadu be part of India ?

    “India and Pakistan (and Bangladesh) are really one country, sharing the same culture, and were one since Mughal times."

    incase you are still wet behind your ears , Tamilnadu has fought for secession , this isnt something new that I am proposing
     
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    What is that of your concern ? Why do you care ?

    If we really have a problem we Tamils can speak for ourselves and the case in Madurai High court can be filed by any individual to gain popularity.

    Even if we don't have common culture with many states in India, What is the problem ?
     
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    the problem - Tamilnadu resources, taxes looted to feed cow belt hindi states , neglect of Tamilnadu's welfare e,g relief for Gaja Cyclone , alien Hindutva ideology / culture pushed into Tamilnadu. Anti Tamil projects undertaken to kill Tamils e.g sterlite, numerous coastal nuclear plants.

    Dont know Hindi go back to Tamilnadu

    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/dont-know-hindi-go-back-to-tamil-nadu.596252/
     
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    Haha...no

    Don't want it, give it independence

    Simple no. It's not gonna have nor would Pakistanis let it happen

    The east asians are all the same to me. The caucasians are all the same to me. Does what I think change the reality? Simple answer is never

    Feed your poor first. Your country itself is among the poorest countries in the world
     
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    Why are you so worried ? why not worry about Balochistan where much more atrocities are happening ?
    Why not start posting about those as well ?
    Yeah there are some problems in the state, but no body is perfect.
     
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    I only gave names which most people are familiar. I can give 1000 names or more, but no use wasting my time as you will come with one excuse after other, looking at your reply & posts. Easiest is you give your credible list to back your claims & with credible proof. Can you. I can see you are member here from 2013. How many Tamils have you found here who buy your crap.
    This was about Tamil asking separate land. You want to try deviating this into some brownie point winning match. what's your post got to do with what you claimed. Nityanada is a Tamil. His personal life or activity is not the debate.
    When you post nonsense give proof or make sure your facts are right.

    Vasco da Gama, was the first European to reach India by sea. His voyage to India was around 1500 (1497–1499) was the first to link Europe and Asia by an ocean route, the first to connect West with the Indian Sub-continent.

    The British rule was around 1757 - 1947 on the sub-continent. Do your homework properly & come back, or I can provide proof for your stupidity. British rule was not even 200 years.
    Did Justice Katju mention about Tamilnadu & he's mentioning about uniting not breaking. Total contradiction on your claim & argument on quoting Katju.

    Waste of time to debate with you. Come with facts or nobody will bother for your posts. You can use your time for something fruitful instead. You can get some claps from Pakistan, but even they won't be amused with your posts & not bother to your posts. Wake up from your illusion.
     
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    No way.
    Speaking from a pure economic perspective.

    Three poor countries, becoming united becomes a bigger poor country not to mention the densely populated Bangladesh vis their lack of resources, along with Pakistan, another resource starved, water stressed country. Add to that our own issues with respect to water and resources.
     
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    this kind of low intelligence chutias are made Supreme court judges in India.
     
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    Excellent response. You could have resorted to flame baiting Pakistanis by saying stuff like 'India is so advanced, it doesn't need terrorism etc etc' but you didn't. Similarly, Pakistanis need to refrain from insulting India and Indians in such threads and just stick to the facts - the two countries have too many religio-cultural differences and too many unresolved political issues to even contemplate increased trade between the two at the moment, let alone unification.

    Even the EU has struggled in keeping all countries on board. The best thing to work towards, in the long run, is increased trade and people to people contacts.

    No it won't. Any 'unified' construct would have to maintain a Federal, parliamentary structure which would mean that the same provincial political parties and systems would run in elections and get elected, and therefore the same flawed domestic policies and corruption would remain in place.

    There is no magic wand here to fix Pakistan's domestic governance problems. It's going to require a long, tedious, democratic process.
     
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    even if you take out religion and make everyone Atheist we still dont want to live with you
     
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    Nobody need to think about him, he can think for all of us combined. :D

    Obviously Punjab will be a single united state in India so have it your way.
     
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    The more bhararis realise this baloney hindutva theory of out of bharat and not Aryan migration theory is a fallacy the more the yearning to reach to Indus valley civilisation and roots to iniquity. Bharat is feel robbed of this great civilisation and are incomplete without it. Pakistan are the inheritors if this great civilisation we hold all the cards, why else would they want to merge with their mortal enemies? They hate everything about Islam, Pakistanis have what they yearn for......will never happen
     
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