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Incredible India deserves respect, writes cricketer Matthew Hayden

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And any sensible person would accept Mark Twain's take on Hinduism rather than biased inferiority complex ridden Muslim man of Pakistani origin who has scores of issues to settle with Hindus and India.
You know when the other side is empty of substance when they begin slicing my person and not what I said. I have no issues to settle with Hindus. I said in this forum yesterday that a Pakistani Hindu is more of my brother than all the Muslims of Middle East put together.

As @jamahir mentioned I was really shocked about the Manusmiriti. Showing Twain's face in the way makes little differance.
 

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replacing various religious festivals, exotic wedding celebrations, bustling streets jampacked with street vendors and livestock
Mathew Hayden may find that exotic but I find that chaotic and something to be eliminated.

You want to take Bhimrao Ambedkar words as gospel of truth.
What is your problem with him ?

Among other things don't you like his forwarding the idea of employee unions in an extremely capitalist society like India ?

Have you read what Bhimrao Ambedkar written about Indian Muslims and Islam in his book Pakistan or the Partition of India

Firstly, you are quoting the article of a person who writes for SwarajyaMag which is a Hindutvadi "news" agency. So he is a non-sensible person who has automatic hatred for Islam.

Secondly, In that essay of Ambedkar was Ambedkar's problem with many Indian Muslims then, perhaps in his Congress circles, or was it with Islam ? These Muslims might not have been the most sensitive people to have understood the philosophy of Islam. But you should know that some of the founders of the Communist Party of India in 1920 were Muslims. Read about more pre-1947 leftist Indian Muslims in this thread of mine from 2016.

Thirdly, contrary to your assertion Ambedkar actually looked at Islam for years for him and his followers to convert into before he decided on Buddhism. I quote this article from 2018 ( one year after Anand Ranganathan published his article ) :
He thus justifies his call for conversion as an existential necessity for Dalits. It followed that the religion they convert to should have a sizeable community in the country, with Islam, Christianity and Sikhism implicitly constituting his zone of consideration. And since he had been speaking about Islam all along since 1928 [ One year after he publicly burnt the Hindu rule book Manusmriti ], including in the speech under discussion, Islam appeared to be the religion of his choice.
Apart from the subject of conversion, he also dwelt upon which religion would be the best for Dalits to convert to. He had gone to the extent of rejecting Buddhism and Arya Samaj and indicating his preference for Christianity or Islam:

“By becoming Buddhist or Arya Samajist, there is not going to be any significant impact on the prejudices of the people who call themselves as belonging to upper varna (uccha varniya) and therefore we do not see much sense in accepting that path. If we want to successfully confront the prejudices of Hindus, we have to convert to either Christianity or Islam in order to secure the backing of some rebellious community. It is only then the blot of untouchability on Dalits will be washed away.”
Within less than two years, he eliminated Christianity and zeroed in on Islam.

In the Bahishkrit Bharat edition of 15 March 1929, under the editorial “Notice to Hinduism”, Ambedkar exhorted Untouchables under the bold heading, “If you have to convert, become Musalman”. After analysing the futility of becoming Buddhist and Arya Samajist, he also dismissed Christianity because “even Christianity could not escape castes in India”.

He might have known that the conversion of Dalits to Christianity would not make any difference to their social status. They would remain the same old Untouchables to not only Hindus but also to their upper-caste counterparts. He would explain that only the Muslim community could come to back them up with full support. Even though he would keep saying that he had only decided to renounce Hinduism and not specified which religion to embrace, his rational choice of Islam was all too evident until 1936.
Read the article fully.

Is he in India at the moment?
He seems to have financial interest in this. From the OP :
(The writer is a former Australian cricketer; Board Member, Australia India Council (DFAT) and the Goodwill Ambassador for India, Institute for Australia India Engagement. The views expressed are personal.)
 
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Practice of sate was rare and limited only kshatriya castes and to certain parts of India.
Which certain parts of India and why ? As for rare the last legally known Sati was of 18-year-old Roop Kanwar in as recent as 1987 in Rajasthan.
 

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As for rare the last legally known Sati was of 18-year-old Roop Kanwar in as recent as 1987 in Rajasthan.
That's precisely what's called 'rare':-)
Rubbish !
He also said 😀
“India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only.”
 

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That's precisely what's called 'rare':-)
OK, fair enough.

He also said 😀
“India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only.”
Sorry brother but I don't believe that. :)
 

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I don't understand why bring the historical context of India as a civilization to stop criticism on a folly committed by incumbent Indian government. It is like saying we should not criticize Africa because somehow Human race started there or shy away from criticism on China because they were the ones who utilized iron first.

Moreover, did he protest Australian ban on people returning from India?
 

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Worshipping hand made idols and animals is one of the stupidest things that Hindus do. They don't use common sense in this regard.
 

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Incredible India deserves respect, writes Matthew Hayden
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Filed on May 13, 2021


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India is in the middle of the pandemic second wave’s battering, as never seen before. As it battles the alarming spread of the virus, the world media has spared no time in lambasting a country of a whopping 1.4 billion where the sheer numbers make the implementation and success of any public scheme a challenge.

I have been visiting India for over a decade now and have travelled all over the country, especially Tamil Nadu which I consider my “spiritual home”. I have always had the highest respect for the leaders and public officials who are entrusted with the task of running such a diverse and vast country.

Wherever I went, the people greeted me with love and affection, for which I remain in their debt. I can proudly claim that I have seen India up close over the years and that is why my heart bleeds to see it not only in agony at the moment, but also for the bad press that has been hurled at it by those who I am not sure spend any time here to understand India, its people and their myriad challenges.

As a cricketer and lover of the game, I have maintained my association with the sport which has allowed me to come to India to cover the Indian Premier League (IPL). Many of my fellow countrymen have also been playing in the IPL for years. In this context, at a time when the world has been shutting doors on India and lambasting the Government, I thought of sharing my thoughts while in India, to give a perspective not available to those sitting thousands of miles away.
I am not a data person, but some of the figures I gathered from some of the media reports are astonishing. India has already vaccinated over 160 million people (five times the population of Australia) and has been conducting 1.3 million tests a day. The point I am making is not to overlook the sheer vast numbers and the challenges associated with it.

When one conjures up thoughts of India, a singular word comes to mind. Incredible; a word popularised by the Indian Tourism slogan, “Incredible India”. Even now, being caught in the political crossfire of the Scott Morrison Government’s decision to temporarily ban the travel to Australia, nothing has changed my mind about this ancient civilisation.

As of now, this heaving mass of humanity reels in the wake of the pandemic; the new normal replacing various religious festivals, exotic wedding celebrations, bustling streets jampacked with street vendors and livestock, all sadly — like the Morrison Government’s travel policy — temporarily put on hold.

Looking out the window of my room overlooking Bengaluru, a truss has been established; as if a siesta has been called in respect to health authorities’ call to action for our new global anthem: “Isolate, stay home, sanitise your hands, wear your mask, social distance.” A race busily running in the background, in many cases for life itself, as national resources like oxygen and critical medical supplies are being re-routed from manufacturing plants to hospitals and care facilities. The simple truth: The demand for basic medical facilities is making the supply look more like one of Usain Bolt’s competitors.

In short, hectic has been replaced with nervous. One can truly sense the fear and anxiety as India faces off against the challenges of this horrific pandemic. Begging the question, why is an Aussie ex-cricketer away from his beloved country and family at such a critical, even dangerous, time? On the surface is the commercial value for my family, having played and worked on every IPL since its conception in 2008.

It’s true, my remuneration is significant and, yes, it pays my family’s bills. More broadly, however, I have a deep connection to Mother India which docks into my life’s mission: To connect people and organisations on purpose and strategy. My purpose in supporting the IPL this season was to provide a welcome relief to the monotony of extended periods of partial or hard lockdown. Every evening from 6.30 pm, cricket lovers, and let me tell you there are a few, went online or turned on the television to watch their favourite franchise battle.

As a genuine lover of the game since I was four years old, my voice, full of excitement, helps narrate our great game by bringing an authentic positive view to the cricket community. Cricket, as so often throughout history, has been and is the silver lining to our COVID cloud. The cricketers, especially in the IPL, have understandably been soft targets of the media and, because of their contractual obligations, cannot defend themselves.

It makes all the more important for people such as me, who have once been in a similar situation but can now from the outside not only share a “player’s perspective” but also speak up for them. India is a rich civilisation which has very few parallels in the world and, in its hour of need, the least we can do is to appreciate its cultural, regional, linguistic, human development and other complexities before passing any judgement on it.


(The writer is a former Australian cricketer; Board Member, Australia India Council (DFAT) and the Goodwill Ambassador for India, Institute for Australia India Engagement. The views expressed are personal.)

ok so you give respect... enjoy the Indian virus at your cost
 

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This Matthew Hayden is an Indian stooge. That is no secret to anyone.

India is not incredible. It is far from incredible.
 

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You want to take Bhimrao Ambedkar words as gospel of truth.
So Mark Twain's and Mathew Haiden's words are gospel for Indians, but Ambedkar's thoughts are useless?

I think if Ambedkar had changed his name to John, George etc, he would be more credible.
 

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Secondly, In that essay of Ambedkar was Ambedkar's problem with many Indian Muslims then, perhaps in his Congress circles, or was it with Islam ? These Muslims might not have been the most sensitive people to have understood the philosophy of Islam. But you should know that some of the founders of the Communist Party of India in 1920 were Muslims. Read about more pre-1947 leftist Indian Muslims in this thread of mine from 2016.
Did you go through the article that he posted? I'm doubtful.
 

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Did you go through the article that he posted? I'm doubtful.
Some of it, especially some of that essay of Ambedkar. I have seen that essay before and so knew what to expect.

A side observation. It should be made a habit for forum members that when they are pointing to an article, whenever possible they should quote the most important parts, like I did.
 
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Worshipping hand made idols and animals is one of the stupidest things that Hindus do. They don't use common sense in this regard.
Yes..running between two mountains, kissing a black stone makes a lot of sense.
Everyone is a rationalist only when it comes to criticising other religions.
 

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