• Saturday, December 16, 2017

Imran Khan, don't give your stupidity the name of humanitarianism

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  1. Zarvan

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    Imran had the best vision and only leader who saw it clearly that entering tribal areas on 2003 would be a diaster and we would get stuck in a war which would go for decades and that is exactly what happened. And yes Imran is right on Lal Masjid that dumb operation resulted in TTP getting far more stronger. Imran is also right on Musharraf polices those polices resulted in Pakistan burning Baluchistan was burning so was Karachi. Imran Khan didn't handed over SWAT to Taliban your PPP and ANP leadership did Imran came to power in 2013 not before that he was a single man and no one used to listen to him so stop blaming your fabrications and falsehoods on Imran. Every thing Imran said is proving to right.


    Finally Imran being behind Afghan Taliban and USA war shows epic ignorance you have about entire issue. :omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:
     
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    @veg let's talk about the *itch Maryam .. let's talk about her role in Dawn Leaks and perjury and all else!
     
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    Before ranting "Evil Punjabis" Chant, do you know who is opposing FATA merger with KPK ? Moulana dielsel and achakzai and FATA parliamentarians.
     
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    Muslims were not there to colonize others.
     
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    I believe WOT was our war since beginning. Bcz once US entered Afghanistan, we should have sent our army to block border and to kick out bad guys. This is a foolish logic by some people that this is/was not our war. We have the right and duty to protect our border and people for any adversary either foreign or domestic. Why we have not sent our forces to Pak - Afghan border in 2001? Why we are still not convinced that this is not our war?
     
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    maulana diesel is not representative of KPK majority nor the undemocratic elected FATA parliamentarian

    see, maulana diesel is part of PML N govt who doesn't want PTI led govt to do something or anything, FATA parliamentarian are federally elected again PML N part

    the pushtoon nationalist party ANP supports this merger, there is daily protests by FATA people who either want merger or separate entity, who likes to be in ungovt area, honestly it worst than you can know..most poor people if can have to move out, rich and maluana disel benefit from non tax smuggling business...but yet establishment(which is scape goat for political parties, and i dont blieve in it) or majority party always thwarts any attempt made by provincial govt of KPK...
    question is why are no reforms done?.
    the reason is simple, its huge undocumented trade, extortion, human trafficking,kidnapping and drug trade involved that also stems terrorism but is tolerated by central govt or corrupt maluana diesel


    so who should we blame here..please point out the finger

    we as country and people are stills tuck in racism be it mahjir, sindhis or punjabis or even pushtoons...otherwsie parties like PPPP, MQM, ANP and PML N will not have existed
     
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    Well Said, @veg

    But the problem is lack of option in the political party. Despite PTI political leaders long history of pro-TTP stances and anti-Kaala baag dam for years, that didn't deter people from supporting PTI because either it is blind-love for Imran khan or people are fed up with other political party.

    This quote above is perfect example why there can never be Naya Pakistan because it is purana Pakistan just re-badging itself while recycling the failed-used elements that once were considered cancer before they found PTI the source of cleansing.
     
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    You are deluded. Maulana isn't part of N league. He is anti PTI and have always been with anyone in Islamabad, be it Musharaf, PPP or N league. He doesn't want merger and the fact is he can bring more people from FATA to protest in Islamabad against merger then few dozens pro merger FATians who will bother to show up...

    Obviously sitting gov will take him seriously, especially now after latest episode of Khadim Rizvi. I don't know which protest you are talking about but the day there is any serious protest by FATA people then merger will happen next day.
     
  9. Haris Mansoor

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    Yes democracy is not the Islamic way of ruling, so being a Muslim and Pakistan being a so called "Islamic Republic of Pakistan" why not Implement the Islamic law in Pakistan. This way, we can block all routes to extremism.
     
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    My discussion is not with the Taliban supporters who consider democracy Kufr. But with the PTI members, who are the supporters of Imran Khan and democracy and against any Taliban State (just like in Swat).

    Therefore, I asked this question to them how "visionary" is Imran Khan?

    For example, I have very little vision, but still I was able to comprehend the slogan of Taliban, when after Kabul victory they said: "Kabul ta Islamabad ... Taliban Taliban". I know nothing is going to make Taliban happy till the time they have imposed their Sharia in Islamabad.

    But we have Imran Khan, then great visionary, who is hell bend to oppose any operation against Tehrik-e-Taliban, while he believe that "Humanitarianism" means surrendering yourself in front of extremists.

    And in Vision of Imran Khan, the Taliban are not the blood thirsty beasts, but Liberals are the one who are the blood thirsty beasts while they encourage the writ of the State and support the Army Operation against Taliban.
     
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  11. Haris Mansoor

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    I am a Muslim, I voted for IK, I have PTI membership card too.
    I do read some books and newspaper, but never found that term
    Tehrik-e-Taliban (or TTA) and TTP are two different entities, TTP came into existence after Musharaf (or Army) "INVADED" FATA. Imran Khan was against the operation against Tehrik-e-Taliban in first place (which is now considered as good Taliban by many PA officials).
    As for IK demanding for political office for Taliban, this is the same tactics which Musharaf was asking for, when asked by a reporter on topic of Taliban destroying budha's statue, Musharraf replied that west only pressurize Taliban to not destroy these statues only if they (West) officially except their government.
    IK has the same vision, if we give them recognition, then we can make them do what we want to.
    This is actually true, Tehrik-e-Taliban Afghanistan was in response to the "Ẓulm" of war lords there.
    So called Pakistani Liberals wanted an armed action against Tehrik-e-Taliban which were not against Pakistan, and TTP was the result of these operations, so Directly or Indirectly the liberals and Pakistan Army is responsible for all this blood-shed (Although I am not justifying TTP's deeds, but blaming Liberals for them too)
     
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    Strange. Being a Muslim, how could you vote which is a Kufr system?
    And then to a person, who is Zani according to Islamic Sharia and of proven bad character?

    Remember, You demanded for the imposition of Sharia. Then Sharia starts from you and your own home.

    It is old incident of 1996 when Taliban captured Kabul.

    And if one really has even a little bit of vision, then even without this slogan one could not doubt a single percent about this core Taliban Mentality that they want to impose Islamic Sharia not only in Kabul, but also in Islamabad, and also in the whole world. Nothing less than this is going to stop them.

    Just look at you. Even if you are voting for Imran Khan, but as soon as you get a chance, you will absolutely discard democracy and absolutely impose your Sharia system without any hesitation. While Taliban are many folds more hell bend on imposing Sharia instead of democracy than you.

    Only thing which stops you from imposing Sharia is this that you don't have enough power at moment.

    Same is with Taliban. The US attack upon Taliban and establishment of Afghan Government made then weak. Otherwise they would have long ago attacked Pakistan for imposing their System.


    This is the worst lie. This lie was first invented by Hamid Mir, and then followed by all foolish Politicians including Imran Khan.

    Reality is this that Mullah Omer of Afghan Taliban never disassociated himself from the Tehrike Taliban Pakistan. On the contrary, Afghani Taliban was running the whole TTP.

    You remember the Mullah Fazalullah of Swat? Do you know what happened with him after the defeat in Swat? Yes, he ran away to Afghanistan, where Mullah Omer gave him the shelter.

    Read this:

    https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/تحریک_طالبان_پاکستان

    تحریک طالبان پاکستان اورتحریک الاسلامی طالبان[ترمیم]
    تحریک طالبان پاکستان اور تحریک الاسلامی طالبان القاعدہ کے آپس میں بھی تعلقات ہیں. اکتوبر کے تیسرے ہفتے میں افغانستان کی جہادی تنظیموں کا ایک اجلاس ہوا جس میں پاکستان کے خلاف 'معرکہ خیر و شر' (بقول ان کے) شروع کرنے کا فیصلہ ہوا اور یہ فیصلہ ہوا کہ افغانی طالبان کو پاکستانی طالبان کی مدد کے لیے پاکستان بھیجا جائے گا۔ افغانستان کے تمام کمانڈروں نے حکیم اللہ محسود کو پاکستانی طالبان کا امیر تسلیم کر لیا ہے اور اس کی امارت میں جہاد (بقول ان کے) جاری رکھا جائے گا۔[15]
    روزنامہ جنگ 18 اکتوبر 2009ء

    Yes, it was the Afghani Taliban who sent the whole delegation which appointed Mehsood the leader of Pakistani Tehrik-e-Taliban.

    This stupidity of "Good Taliban" and "Bad Taliban" (and supported by Imran Khan too) caused the country a lot of damage and operations against the Taliban were not held at the proper time.


    Do you think that Musharraf was a visionary?
    Any one (irrespective of Musharraf or Imran Khan) who thinks that Taliban would not have destoryed Budha's Statue, if we had recognised them, then he is very naive person.

    Tehrik-e-Taliban Afghanistan was formed by CIA.

    https://ur.wikipedia.org/wiki/تحریک_طالبان_پاکستان#

    طالبان کی تاریخ[ترمیم]
    دنیا جن کو آج طالبان کے نام سے جانتی ہے وہ تمام صرف مدرسہ کے معصوم طلباء نہیں بلکہ ان میں جرائم پیشہ، قاتل، ڈاکو وغیرہ شامل ہو چکے ہیں۔ طالبان کی تحریک کی پیدائش کے بارے میں مختلف نظریات ہیں لیکن اس میں کسی کو شک نہیں کہ اسامہ بن لادن اور طالبان دونوں کو امریکی سی آئی اے نے پاکستانی جاسوسی اداروں کی مدد سے تخلیق کیا۔[8]۔[9] اس وقت امریکی دانشوروں مثلاً سلگ ہیریسن نے امریکی حکام کو پہلے ہی آگاہ کر دیا تھا کہ ہم ایک درندہ پیدا کرنے جا رہے ہیں۔ طالبان صرف مدرسے کے طلبا نہیں ہیں بلکہ جاسوسی اداروں کے تنخواہ دار ہیں اور انہوں نے دہشت گردی کو ذریعہ معاش بنا لیا ہے۔[10]۔ آج یہ تصور پیش کیا جارہا ہے کہ پاکستان نے طالبان پیدا کیے اور سی آئی اے نے صرف مدد کی مگر حقیقت یہ ہے کہ نیٹو (NATO) نے پاکستان سے بھی زیادہ براہ راست کردار ادا کیا یہاں تک کہ طالبان کے پہاڑوں میں خفیہ اڈے تک سی آئی اے نے براہ راست خود بنائے۔[11] 1994ء میں افغانستان میں طالبان کی شروعات ہوئی جس کے لیے پیسہ امریکہ، برطانیہ، سعودی عرب نے فراہم کیا۔ درحقیقت پاکستان نے امریکہ کے لیے یہ کام کیا[8]

    امریکہ کے ایک ڈپلومیٹ و سینیٹر ہینک براؤن نے طالبان حکومت کے قیام پر کہا کہ ہم افغانستان میں سعودی عرب کی طرز کی ریاست کے قیام پر خوش ہیں۔ یہاں صرف آرامکو (امریکی تیل کمپنی)، بغیر پارلیمنٹ کے ایک امیر، پائپ لائنیں اور بہت سے شریعت کے قوانین ہونگے اور یہ ہمارے (امریکیوں کے) لیے بہت مناسب ہے۔ فرق یہ کہ تیل وسطی ایشیا کا اور پائپ لائنیں افغانستان میں ہونگی۔[12] طالبان سے امریکہ کے محبت بھرے تعلقات اس وقت تک عروج پر رہے جب تک اسامہ بن لادن کے مسئلے پر طالبان نے امریکہ کی بات ماننے سے انکار کیا۔ حقیقتاً امریکی اسامہ بن لادن کو گرفتار نہیں کرنا چاہتے تھے بلکہ اس کے بہانے افغانستان میں گھسنا چاہتے تھے۔ دوسری بات یہ کہ امریکہ کے خیال میں طالبان اب پہلے جیسے فائدہ مند نہ رہے تھے۔[8]۔


    Tehrik-e-Taliban Afghanistan already challenged the State of Pakistan even before the world trade center attack (by denying to hand over the terrorists of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and others to Pakistan). Therefore, even before 11 September, Musharraf started steps against Taliban and Musharraf ordered the closure of the borders.
     
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    Probably you are Muslim too, what other option do I have to participate in the government process and to make a change, to take weapon against the government? There is saying, "if you don't like a rule, obey it until you have the power to change it.
    In Islamic law, Zana is a big sin but حق تلفی "violation of right, depriving one of one's right, perversion of justice"
    is bigger sin, and all the opponents of Imran Khan are bigger sinner then him, I didn't chose to vote for him because he is an angle but because he is best available option.
    And yes when Sharia Law is implemented, I will call for justice for IK and for my self to.
    This is just the dirt in the mind of people opposing Taliban, without any solid reason or login behind it. Taliban was just Afghani national, without any regional or global agenda.

    Yes you are right. Why would I hesitate from implementing Sharia law, I wouldn't. and you are right again, I don't have enough power to implement it, else I would have done it long ago. I think Sharia Law is the best option, not only for Pakistan but for all Muslim countries. I am saying all Muslim countries, and without use of force.
    Again this is false and baseless assumption, I don't see any reason, Taliban would have attacked Pakistan.
    Yes they never disassociated from TTP because they were getting support from TTP, why would a person in need will disassociated himself from a helping hand. They were helping them in management so that TTA can have backup and support when they need some. But still they never acted directly against Pakistan.
    I don't know about your knowledge of good and bad Taliban and operation against them, but what I know, I can't share it on public forum.
    Upto some extent, Yes I do think Musharraf was a visionary that's why he brought the educational revolution in Pakistan, only a visionary person give importance to education.
    I am not saying that Musharraf thinks like that, or Taliban wouldn't have destroyed that statue, I think if whole world had recognized Taliban, they still wouldn't be able to stop Taliban from destroying budha's statue, but destroying statue and killing innocent children of APS or killing other innocent men, women and children are two different things and we could have prevented it if we had talked with them.

    So here is another lie, Top US official blame Pakistan for creating Taliban, ISI deny it. ISI did helped them gaining control over Afghanistan, but Taliban was not creation of ISI or CIA, or if ISI or CIA had created Taliban, why did Taliban rejected their (Pakistan, America) demands of handing over Lashkar-e-Jhangvi's fighter or Usama.
    And for your information, Taliban are not backstabber like Musharraf or America, that back-stabs their friends or guest, and handover them to hostile nations
     
  14. SmartGeek

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    In the history of Islam, the democracy in form of oral election put Abu Bakr (R.A) on the power. In fact, the western world adopted the democracy [voices from the public] from the Ottoman Empire.

    Democracy is as Islamic as it can possibly get because at the end, it is public call that earns the support from ALLAH. Not dictatorship which is imposed against the wills of the nation whether in form of Monarchy, Marshall Law or Dictatorship [communism].
     
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    I am an atheist. Ex Muslim.

    Ok.


    Don't agree with you.
    Islam is not "Regional", but it has global agenda right from the beginning, and thus lot of states in Asia and Africa were attacked, even if they didn't attack upon Muslims. Just look at the map of Islamic Caliphate in the era of first 4 Caliphs.
    Taliban follow the same mindset.

    You are you. I cannot say any thing about you.

    But for sure FORCE is allowed against the non Muslim countries.

    Also Taliban in Afghanistan used full Force in order to capture Kabul and then whole Afghanistan. And then they imposed Sharia by force.

    Same mentality has Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, who want to impose Sharia by Force.


    It is a very naive thinking.
    Tehrik-e-Taliban used full force in Swat and captured it and imposed their Sharia.
    And Mullah Fazalullah of Swat got full backing from Mullah Omer for this. That is why when he got defeated, he ran away directly to Afghanistan where Mullah Omer gave him full shelter.


    I would again say that this is very naive thinking.
    Afghani Taliban wanted to capture whole Afghanistan by force and impose their Sharia. How could then Afghani Taliban want to have Kufr system in Pakistan and stop Pakistani Taliban to achieve that in Pakistan which they themselves wanted to achieve in Afghanistan?


    We talked with Pakistani Taliban enough.
    Whole Swat District was handed over to them, even without the consent of the Swat People.
    But what did Taliban do?
    They started slaughtering people in the Bazars of Swat, in name of their Sharia.
    And then they started war in the neighbouring areas.
    And then they started to march towards Islamabad.
    Only after that, Army was given the order to start operation against them, otherwise only talks were done with them, which brought nothing for the people of Swat, except for destruction and horror.

    This is absolutely not a lie.
    US wanted the creation of Extremist Sunni State in Afghanistan in order to keep a check on the Shia Iran. And then US wanted to have the Oil Pipelines (from central Asian Countries) going through Afghanistan and not through Iran. That is why, although US didn't recognise Taliban, but still they were openly in talks with Taliban for the Oil pipelines. In US, the American people protested a lot against those talks.

    Read about it here:
    http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes.../taliban-oil-afghanistan-161004085739050.html

    US thought that Sunni State of Afghanistan (i.e. Taliban) would obey them the same way that Saudi Arabia obey them (see the source in wikipedia link that I posted before). But Taliban were different than Saudi Arabia.


    The creation of the Taliban was "actively encouraged by the ISI and the CIA," according to Selig Harrison, an expert on U.S. relations with Asia. "The United States encouraged Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to support the Taliban, certainly right up to their advance on Kabul," adds respected journalist Ahmed Rashid.
    When the Taliban took power, State Department spokesperson Glyn Davies said that he saw "nothing objectionable" in the Taliban's plans to impose strict Islamic law, and Senator Hank Brown, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on the Near East and South Asia, welcomed the new regime: "The good part of what has happened is that one of the factions at last seems capable of developing a new government in Afghanistan." "The Taliban will probably develop like the Saudis. There will be Aramco [the consortium of oil companies that controlled Saudi oil], pipelines, an emir, no parliament and lots of Sharia law. We can live with that," said another U.S. diplomat in 1997
    .

    Link: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Af...A_Taliban.html




    مگر امریکی حکام کو اس معاملے میں شدید غلطی ہوئی۔ 1994 میں طالبان قندھار وغیرہ پر قبضہ کر چکے تھے اور پھر 1996 میں کابل پر بھی قبضہ کر چکے تھے۔ اس کے بعد انہوں نے اسلام کو وہ ورژن نافذ کیا جو کہ سعودی ورژن کے اسلام سے کہیں شدید تر تھا اور انہوں نے جو خواتین وغیرہ کے ساتھ سلوک کیا اسکے بعد امریکہ کی کلنٹن ایڈمینسٹریشں کے لیے ممکن نہیں تھا کہ 1996 میں اقوام متحدہ میں انہیں بنا تنقید کے قبول کر سکیں۔



    فرانس کے سفیر کی گواہی کہ طالبان بنانے میں امریکی سی آئی اے ملوث تھی

    حوالہ: ایکسپریس نیوز
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    زرداری کی گواہی کہ سی آئی اے طالبان کی پیدائش میں ملوث تھی


    طالبان کی پیدائش بینظیر حکومت کے دور میں ہوئی۔ پیپلز پارٹی بذات خود تو سیکولر جماعت ہے، مگر افسوس کہ اسکی قیادت میں دم خم ہی نہیں کہ وہ امریکی مطالبات کو رد کر سکے۔ اسی لیے آپ کو یاد ہو گا کہ بینظیر کو "مادر طالبان" کا خطاب بھی دیا گیا تھا۔ اسی بینظیر کے شوہر آصف زرداری صاحب کی گواہی دیکھئیے:




    zardari tells american press that the cia and pakistan's isi together created the taliban

    washington, may 11 (pti) in a new revelation, pakistan president asif ali zardari has said that the cia of the united states and his country's isi together created the taliban.

    "i think it was part of your past and our past, and the isi and cia created them together," zardari told the nbc news channel in an interview.

    In the interview, which was given to the nbc on may 7, zardari also accused the us of supporting the military rule of pervez musharraf who was alleged to be taking sides of the taliban.

    He disagreed with the popular belief in the us that the pakistan military and intelligence services still have sympathies for the taliban.

    "i think general musharraf may have had a mindset to run head and hand with the hound but certainly not on our watch. We don't have a tough process at all," zardari said.

    Asked about the influential role of the pakistan army, zardari said he is in control of everything in the country, including the military.

    "the parliament has final say. It's the parliament form of government, and i am a product of the parliament," he said.

    Earlier, zardari in an another interview had said that india was not a "threat" to his country and that pakistan had moved some of its forces from its indian border to western frontier to eliminate taliban in its tribal belt.

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    وزیر اطلاعات قمر الزمان کائرہ صاحب کی گواہی

    طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ، قمر الزمان کائرہ
    پاک فوج شدت پسندوں کیخلاف بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے ، دنیا میں امن پاکستان میں امن سے مشروط ہے ، نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب
    نیویارک۔۔۔۔ وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات ونشریات قمر زمان کائرہ نے کہا ہے کہ طالبان آئی ایس آئی نہیں امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں ایک لاکھ بیس ہزار فوج شرپسندوں کیخلاف جنگ بہادری سے لڑ رہی ہے وہ نیویارک میں پاکستانیوں سے خطاب کررہے تھے وفاقی وزیر اطلاعات نے کہا کہ پاکستان اس وقت عالمی جنگ کا میدان بنا ہوا ہے پاکستان میں امن قائم ہوگا تو دنیا میں بھی ہوگا انہوں نے کہا کہ طالبان امریکی سی آئی اے کی پیداوار ہیں سی آئی اے کے سربراہ افغانستان پر روسی حملے کے دور میں پاکستان آکر جہاد کی اہمیت پر لیکچر دیا کرتے تھے انہوں نے کہا کہ پاکستانی دینی مدارس کے حوالے سے پائے جانے والے تحفظات کا مقابلہ جدید سکولوں سے کیا جاسکتا ہے اس حوالے سے اصلاحات کی بھی ضرورت ہے جبکہ امریکہ سے بھی مدد مانگی ہے
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    Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban

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    During the House Committee on Foreign Affairs discussion recently. Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher named the Clinton administration, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for creating the Taliban.
    Let me repeat that: The Clinton administration, along with Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, created the Taliban��Rohrabacher



    If this seems strange to you then look closely at the picture and you will see Congressman Rohrabacher on the right dressed in Taliban garb. Mr. Karzai�s elder brother was a Taliban and both used to live in Quetta Pakistan. Part of his family still lives there. Mr. Hamid Kiimself is a self-professed Taliban who was proposed as the UN Ambassador of the Taliban government. During this days as a Conoco representative Mr. Karzai reportedly received lots of money from Enron and Conocoto get the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline off the ground.Dana Rohrabacher is Congressman for 46th congressional district. The 46th district includes the whole of the Palos Verdes Peninsula, Costa Mesa, Fountain Valley, Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, andAvalon on the island of Catalina. Also included are parts of Long Beach, San Pedro, Garden Grove, Santa Ana, and Westminster. Rohrabacher has accepted money from Jack Abramoff. He is pictured here with the Taliban.

    Specifically, for the CIA, which effectively trained and funded the Mujahideen back in the 80s, the genie is now out of the bottle and is haunting them. The Americans and their intelligence establishment are reaping the whirlwind of a terrible and deadly legacy they had once sown in the hope that it would not affect them. In a phenomenon that is fast becoming a trend in Afghanistan, a sympathiser from the Afghan army carried out the attack. It would definitely add to NATO�s worry because it is the Afghan army personnel, who provide security to the foreign armies. This also shows the general hatred towards the US and its cohorts in Afghanistan. It is not just a particular group like the Taliban who want the Americans out but the ordinary Afghans as well who loathe their very presence. Shireen Mazari writing in the The Nation. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...A-under-attack



    US spent 3 Billion USD for Taliban during 1994-1996

    Sy Hersch as well as George Crieldiscussed the CIA connection at length The Talibaanwere a construct of the CIA! See Congressional records and visits to Texas ranches.

    �In the 1980s, the CIA provided some $5 billion in military aid for Islamic fundamentalist rebels fighting the Soviet occupation in Afghanistan, but scaled down operations after Moscow pulled out in 1989. However, Selig Harrison of the DC-based Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars recently told a conference in London that the CIA created the Taliban �monster� by providing some $3 billion for the ultra-fundamentalist militia in their 1994-6 drive to power.� Times of India, March 7, 2001


    Though Mr. Haqqani is much hated by the current White House and wants him killed, previous White House under President Reagan invited him and praised him. This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000.

    This picture shows the Afghans in the White House with President Reagan. Other Reagan-Afghan pictures used to be ubiqutous on the internet but have now vanished. The Taliban was a construct of the CIA and was armed by the CIA, ISI and the Saudis as a counter to a resurgent Russian-backed communist party andan antidote to the civil war in Afghanistan. Pakistan supported the Taliban in conjunction with the CIA who were arming it right up till 2000. The Taliban also visited Governor Bush�s ranch in Texas.CNN CROSSFIRE: Aired September 10, 2002 � 19:00 ET

    Have U.S. Efforts in Afghanistan Been Successful if bin Laden is Alive?; Will Fingerprints Stop Terrorists From Entering the Country?

    MCDERMOTT: It certainly is an improvement for the women of Afghanistan. But you�ve got to remember that of American policy, we put the Taliban there. We gave the money to the..CARLSON: I beg your pardon?MCDERMOTT: � Pakistanis.CARLSON: You�re breaking news here, Congressman. I don�t think this has ever been reported before in the United States.MCDERMOTT: Oh, yes, it has been. We funded the Taliban through the Pakistanis, and all that money � we could have cut off that money and stopped what was going on. We knew what was going on there.
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