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    QUITO (Ecuador): Ecuador says it's unilaterally ending a contract with India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which sold seven military helicopters to the South American nation.

    At least four of the Dhruv helicopters delivered between 2009 and 2012 have crashed. One was assigned to transport President Rafael Correa, though he wasn't in the aircraft at the time.

    Defence Minister Fernando Cordero announced the action during a news conference on Wednesday. He said two of the crashes were caused by mechanical failures. The three remaining Dhruv have been grounded.

    Ecuador cuts Dhruv helicopter contract with HAL after 4 crashes - The Times of India

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    Ooh No! :taz:
     
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    that's what you reap when you go for cheap.
     
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    Not necessarily . It has good record in India.
    2/4 crashes Have been attributed to pilot's error. Ecuador even terminated contract with HAL for maintenance. Do they have competence to maintain choppers? I don't think so.
    But poor planning on HAL's part. They should have been careful . Must have highlighted risks through media when maintenance was terminated . Media must have also been used to publicise about pilot error in 2 crash. A private player would have played this smartly.
     
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    What you calling cheap is twice costly than Bell 407.

    Nevertheless the supply chain is a problem Here
     
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    the two aren't in the same class of helicopters IMO. Dhruv is heavier,has two engines, and carries more.

    also the Bell 407 wasn't offered to Ecuador. The Dhurv was 30% cheaper than the next competitor Elbit.
     
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    It was assigned to kill the Ecuadorian president, it miserably failed.
     
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    Around 300 HAL Dhruv is already produced ... If something you cannot fly properly and you cannot maintain it properly...It does not means that particular product is bad....Our Army and Air Force is using it in very good number...And I believe you might be knowing that ...how IA and IAF is particular about the performance of any machine.

    HAL Rudra is also about to come...Next version of Dhruv.




     
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    The problem is of supply chain and Not product
     
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    Well before blaming India for poor product does any one has a source that proves fault on there part? If there is a proof that crashes have been due to faulty equipment then I'll say Ecuador has done the right thing.
     
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    Ahahahhahah.....that made me laugh to be honest. :lol:

    On a serious note though, on a positive side at least India started exporting some sophisticated/mature military equipment. Even though this one has been a total failure and bad publicity. However its a good start, you have to start crawling beforr you learn to walk and then start dreaming of running with the big boys. So its a good start, everything always has a beginning. So always take the positive from the negatives and learn from it, else you will lose all hope and give up, which isnt wise.:D
     
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    Ok,and how are you so sure that it's in the choppers where the fault lies??There are over 350 of those in service with Indian forces and it has got very strong safety record down here!!
     
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    please read the facts posted in this thread

    2/4 crashes Have been attributed to pilot's error. the other 2 happened because Ecuador terminated contract with HAL for maintenance.

    also india has been operating a large fleet of these choppers for years without a single incident
     
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    Ecuador should buy other helicopter now

    yes blaming India will not work 2 mechanical 2 pilot error

    the mechanical problem should be investigated with the both parties

    well i was worried about the models in the Pics :)
     
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    Exactly!!And by the way,the mechanical problems didn't necessarily arise due to faulty design of the machines or lack of quality control but might very well be the result of termination of maintenance contract with HAL and resultant lack of servicing and spare support from the OEM!!
     
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    By Gods grace the models are OK, don't worry. Only some high ranking officials have died, not an issue.

    And Ecuador isn't the only country we have exported this heli. Israel and Turkey both have them apart from other countries, no dhruv has crashed there.