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It is not education - india is essentialy a crooked state - it is structured that way. Is it lack of education that makes india oppress kashmiris ? is it lack of education that even after 60 years only brahmins get to be priests ? its a rotten society wedded to the idea of oppression and racism.

And china and japan did not keep the worst part of their cultures. Japan emperor Meiji ended shogun caste with a fiat and had them shot if they disagreed. Mao hung warlords by the nearest lamposts not like india making zamindars as MPs.

Anyway india is too diverse to be a nation. why do you guys get so twisted about accepting that ?
Even after 60 years a Shia is a kafir, Pakistan is structured that way, it is lack of education that make pakistan oppress baloch and pashtuns?

hamara mulq hamein behtar pata hai
aapka mulq aapko behtar pata hai, now become serious.
Denmark, germany, france, england, hungary, greece, italian, japan etc are all linguistic states built upon the commonality of people. Whereas India is a bureacratic state apparatus left by British with no real commonality. "Indian" is essential a slur word for browns (apart from more well known people like Arabs) like N word for blacks. There are east indies (indonesians), west indies, indians in americas etc. It does not donate a nationality or anything. Just brown people with no real identifiable culture.

Just because you have some state apparatus (often racist like caste based military regiments) does not mean you start torturing yourself in to building a nation around it . It doesnt work. Essentially indian nation is bunch of castes/families trying to control the british apparatus and enjoying the benefits. To control/win elections they throw some spin on ram mandir/muslim demonization etc.

THe enormous confusion evident within you (like from DP of che while supporting modi) is because you never take a good clear view of india with a proper moral framework. You developed all these little escape routes - oh we will be like Denmark, we can be like china, this is just like japan then - instead of taking a good look at what actually is. Only grief will be your end result my friend.
Racist like regiments? These regiments were made by Britain, no regiment of Indian army or Pakistan army is made by themselves those regiments were made by british.
 

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Let me guess a bhakth? also i am from Mumbai kiddo.
I was responding to a direct statement from him as to how i knew inside info which bhakths on this thread seem to sprout as the gospel truth.
So you are the senior bureaucrat with direct access to the PMO, the top secrete of India, but still have the time to get into a trolling feast in PDF... I believe you .. :-):-)
 

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Denmark, germany, france, england, hungary, greece, italian, japan etc are all linguistic states built upon the commonality of people. Whereas India is a bureacratic state apparatus left by British with no real commonality. "Indian" is essential a slur word for browns (apart from more well known people like Arabs) like N word for blacks. There are east indies (indonesians), west indies, indians in americas etc. It does not donate a nationality or anything. Just brown people with no real identifiable culture.

Just because you have some state apparatus (often racist like caste based military regiments) does not mean you start torturing yourself in to building a nation around it . It doesnt work. Essentially indian nation is bunch of castes/families trying to control the british apparatus and enjoying the benefits. To control/win elections they throw some spin on ram mandir/muslim demonization etc.

THe enormous confusion evident within you (like from DP of che while supporting modi) is because you never take a good clear view of india with a proper moral framework. You developed all these little escape routes - oh we will be like Denmark, we can be like china, this is just like japan then - instead of taking a good look at what actually is. Only grief will be your end result my friend.
Most of your post is basically your opinion so there’s no discussion to be had. The Che DP was because I wanted to flame-bait a few left leaning forum members in 2008. Have been too lazy to change it.
We are in the woowoo land of speculation now, all I am interested in discussing is an evidence-based plan of attack, whether it’s in choosing the right business model for organisations expected to deliver value or in fixing the blame firmly with the parts that don’t function in the economy.
 

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WOW!! Thanks. Now I will start following your posts.

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Please I beg you dont , your threads and questions give me a migraine . And i am getting old . Tag @Joe Shearer , he loves your content.
Just asking to you a simple question.
Before this guy coming to power .
The border with China was quiet .
Why?
Because they had loved the previous govt very much .
Let me ask you a counter question, is it better to have a quiet border where no lives of our jawans are lost and no territory occupied , or is it better if they are like wolfs baying at our door?
So you are the senior bureaucrat with direct access to the PMO, the top secrete of India, but still have the time to get into a trolling feast in PDF... I believe you .. :-):-)
No kiddo i do not have access to the PMO , only gujarat cadre do , but i do know there is no budget increase of 30% going to happen.
 
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Please I beg you dont , your threads and questions give me a migraine . And i am getting old . Tag @Joe Shearer , he loves your content.

Let me ask you a counter question, is it better to have a quiet border where no lives of our jawans are lost and no territory occupied , or is it better if they are like wolfs baying at our door?

No kiddo i do not have access to the PMO , only gujarat cadre do , but i do know there is no budget increase of 30% going to happen.
Now where is a good Ghalib or Mir couplet when you need one...
 

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Most of your post is basically your opinion so there’s no discussion to be had. The Che DP was because I wanted to flame-bait a few left leaning forum members in 2008. Have been too lazy to change it.
We are in the woowoo land of speculation now, all I am interested in discussing is an evidence-based plan of attack, whether it’s in choosing the right business model for organisations expected to deliver value or in fixing the blame firmly with the parts that don’t function in the economy.
LOL - what is speculation? which part of it. Your "model" wont achieve anything when the underpinning state is rotten.
No kiddo i do not have access to the PMO , only gujarat cadre do , but i do know there is no budget increase of 30% going to happen.
Thats exactly why India is no nation. Hopefully you marathas grow a pair and demand some more respect.
 

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LOL - what is speculation? which part of it. Your "model" wont achieve anything when the underpinning state is rotten.
This part right here:

"Indian" is essential a slur word for browns (apart from more well known people like Arabs) like N word for blacks. There are east indies (indonesians), west indies, indians in americas etc. It does not donate a nationality or anything. Just brown people with no real identifiable culture.
Not grouned on facts and hence an opinion.
There isn't a "model" here per se, just an evidence-based opinion that I mentioned, which puts things from the perspective of education and literacy.
You sound like a racist person who deals in absolutes (the white race is superior, African nations will always be lawless and under-developed because it's in their nature/genetic, etc.). Hence your comment on the 'rotten' nature of the nation being a permanent fixture is just your prejudiced opinion. I acknowledge that the state has a million issues that have to be solved but that's where I stop. As a rationalist, I try to filter objective facts from internal biases, you should try that as well.
 

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I think India rather depending on different projects and fighter jets. Should build a half a squadron of Russian fighter jets and a half from the US, and if they choose US F- 16 variant will be a very good choice it can serve as a benchmark for future American fighter jets. India already has very warm relations with Israel so they won't object to f-35 as Israel did against UAE. 27th Feb exposed IAF, but they can with future investment create a formidable force.

Having multiple platforms that have completely different SoPs and support structures is a huge drain on resources and dilutes the operational effectiveness. The world is moving aways from having sepcialist combat aircrafts to multi-role fighters for this reason.
In my opinion, the smart thing would be to maybe have two types of of fighters - Light/single-engined for non-bombing configurations (LCA and its variants) and a Medium/Heavy MRCA (Rafale or an American plane like the F-15ex) category fighters.
Relations with Israel and a more effective focus on developing a domestic ecosystem would enable switching most of our focus to research and enhancements. There is no way that a 5th gen fighter can be developed in India, given our current state of tech. maturity, regardless of what GoI and DRDO tell everyone.
 

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This part right here:


Not grouned on facts and hence an opinion.
There isn't a "model" here per se, just an evidence-based opinion that I mentioned, which puts things from the perspective of education and literacy.
You sound like a racist person who deals in absolutes (the white race is superior, African nations will always be lawless and under-developed because it's in their nature/genetic, etc.). Hence your comment on the 'rotten' nature of the nation being a permanent fixture is just your prejudiced opinion. I acknowledge that the state has a million issues that have to be solved but that's where I stop. As a rationalist, I try to filter objective facts from internal biases, you should try that as well.
Hows that not grounded on fact - the word Indian comes from indigenous and is used to exclusively to refer to brown people - from indonesia in east to canada in west - is that not an obvious fact ?. Yes it is a racist word and it was used by whites. But you guys took a racist slur and trying to make it in to a nation.

I am not racist person at all . Whatever i am telling is purely what i think benefits people of india and restores peace to that region. It is simply your lack of imagination and comprehension that you are not realizing my view and unnecessarly getting defense about it. I mean no harm of indian people. Being a well wisher of people of india does not mean loyalty to a particulat government or model of government or state.
 

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Hows that not grounded on fact - the word Indian comes from indigenous and is used to exclusively to refer to brown people - from indonesia in east to canada in west - is that not an obvious fact ?. Yes it is a racist word and it was used by whites. But you guys took a racist slur and trying to make it in to a nation.
Not true. Please share a source for this claim of yours.
 

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what claim - why do you think people from indonesia to india to americas were called indians ?
I don’t think they were/are. Are you talking about native Americans? I am trying to curb my shock at what you have written by asking for more clarity.
 

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I don’t think they were/are. Are you talking about native Americans? I am trying to curb my shock at what you have written by asking for more clarity.
Read some history and literature. Indian was the actual word. Native americans is the more politically correct later one.
 

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