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IAF's Balakot Disaster Two Years On

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Elections are contested not fought.
Indian elections are fought with all kinds of weapons.
And that IAF chief B.S Dhanao was replaced.

If Balakot was such a success why B.S Dhanao was sacked and it shows the failure of IAF preemting Op. Swift Retort as well.
IAF is made of a idiotic shameless bunch.

No person with a little brain and self respect will show an exploded AMRAAM in a press conference.
 

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Which version of this ghazi is right?? 2019, 2020 or 2021?? He just completely erased hassan sadique story to shot down a SU-30 :lol:
Im sure next years ghazi will claim MIg-21 fell down due to technological fault.... BC on the other hand every reiterated indian officers working day and night to prove F-16 shot down by a mig.... Pata nhi hamary retired officers kis ko khush karna chahty hain.
Even the Indian people admits that 2 aircrafts shot down by PAF
Will share a video link later
 

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The very long range at which the adversary aircraft appeared on the F-16 radar scopes suggested that these were big targets, most likely Su-30MKI. After sampling the target data and confirming valid firing parameters, Hasan let go an AIM-120C (AMRAAM)[8] at 0936 hours, and promptly announced ‘Fox Three,’ the brevity code for an active radar-guided missile launch. Missile flight data fed back to the F-16 fire control computer in real-time, seemed to indicate that the missile had made its mark. Whether the Su-30 had met a violent end, or was damaged and landed back, or the aircrew had been able to kinetically defeat the missile altogether, remains moot.


He doesn't have to repeat himself, if a Pajeet didn't understand the first time and believed his own "go-maut" media, then there is nothing on this earth that will him make him change his mind, unless there is hard pictorial, physical evidence like Mig-21.
Now he say in this article..Su 30 MKI survived a direct hit from F 16 missile ..where as PAF is erecting monuments of Su 30 tail .. claiming it to be shot down by JF 17.

So which is it was Su 30 shot down or not..was It JF 17 which fired the missile or F 16 ?
 

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Now he say in this article..Su 30 MKI survived a direct hit from F 16 missile ..where as PAF is erecting monuments of Su 30 tail .. claiming it to be shot down by JF 17.

So which is it was Su 30 shot down or not..was It JF 17 which fired the missile or F 16 ?

 

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He is not an official spoke person of the government. He is a highly credible ex-air warrior turned writer with high morals and self respect and his article is based on the verifiable facts available in public domain unlike shameless indian liars who make big claims without any proofs.

So now Mr Kaiser Tufail is claiming .. that Su 30 MKI was not shot down.

A departure form Pakistan's official narrative.. who are erecting monument of Su 30 MKI being shot down by JF 17 .. wonder what PDF Pakistani will make of this.
 

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He is not an official spoke person of the government. He is a highly credible ex-air warrior turned writer with high morals and self respect and his article is based on the verifiable facts available in public domain unlike shameless indian liars who make big claims without any proofs.
So if he is credible air warrior with high morals and he is claiming that Su 30 MkI was not shot down ..and JF 17 had no part to play in either of shootings.

So are PAF untrustworthy air warriors with low morals that they claim that Su 30 MKI was shot down by JF 17 ..and erecting monuments on it ?

He also claims IAF raid in Balakot missed it target because faulty GPS programming on the bombs which(a pre flight programming which happens on the ground) is very different from PAF official version ..that it's aircrafts forced India to drop it's bombs early.

So which is it ?

Could you please get your story straight and tell us, who is lying here?
 

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Now he say in this article..Su 30 MKI survived a direct hit from F 16 missile ..where as PAF is erecting monuments of Su 30 tail .. claiming it to be shot down by JF 17.

So which is it was Su 30 shot down or not..was It JF 17 which fired the missile or F 16 ?

Again, to a pajeet it might look like a different claim but in actuality its is not. I already linked you his previous article and even shared the portion of the article that was related to this specific point, but I guess no cure for go-maut. So here it is again:

Whether the Su-30 had met a violent end, or was damaged and landed back, or the aircrew had been able to kinetically defeat the missile altogether, remains moot.

Now from this article:

Meanwhile, the pair of patrolling Su-30s were completely shocked when they were targeted by an F-16 with an AIM-120 missile at long range. Having survived a direct hit, both Su-30s scampered out of the area, leaving the field to the Mirage 2000 pair.
How do you survive a direct hit? His claim in this article is same as before. The Su30 survived a direct hit by not crashing on Pakistani soil, what happened to it, whether crashed, burned on indian side remains a moot point, since one can't prove without physical evidence.
 

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So if he is credible air warrior with high morals and he is claiming that Su 30 MkI was not shot down ..and JF 17 had no part to play in either of shootings.

So are PAF untrustworthy air warriors with low morals that they claim that Su 30 MKI was shot down by JF 17 ..and erecting monuments on it ?

He also claims IAF raid in Balakot missed it target because faulty GPS programming on the bombs which(a pre flight programming which happens on the ground) is very different from PAF official version ..that it's aircrafts forced India to drop it's bombs early.

So which is it ?

Could you please get your story straight and tell us, who is lying here?
K.Tufail is retired, so he might not have access to the sensitive data which is shared, observed by PAF top command, just because you once work in an organization doesn't mean you will get to know all of their classified information for all your life.
 

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K.Tufail is retired, so he might not have access to the sensitive data which is shared, observed by PAF top command, just because you once work in an organization doesn't mean you will get to know all of their classified information for all your life.
So basically you are claiming that his article is worthless because he doesn't have the correct information.

So much so ..he doesn't not even know that it was JF 17 which shot down Su 30MKI and not JF 17 ?
 

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So basically you are claiming that his article is worthless because he doesn't have the correct information.

So much so ..he doesn't not even know that it was JF 17 which shot down Su 30MKI and not JF 17 ?
I did not make any claim, All I am saying that Kaiser words are not Gospel truth, yes he was once a decorated pilot or whatever but now he is out, yes he has a connection but there is classified information that only top brass have access to.
 

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Again, to a pajeet it might look like a different claim but in actuality its is not. I already linked you his previous article and even shared the portion of the article that was related to this specific point, but I guess no cure for go-maut. So here it is again:

Whether the Su-30 had met a violent end, or was damaged and landed back, or the aircrew had been able to kinetically defeat the missile altogether, remains moot.

Now from this article:



How do you survive a direct hit? His claim in this article is same as before. The Su30 survived a direct hit by not crashing on Pakistani soil, what happened to it, whether crashed, burned on indian side remains a moot point, since one can't prove without physical evidence.
What nonsense word jumble are trying you trying here..he is clearly claiming in this article Su 30 MKI survived a direct hit from F 16.

Surviving means not crashing and nothing else.
I did not make any claim, All I am saying that Kaiser words are not Gospel truth, yes he was once a decorated pilot or whatever but now he is out, yes he has a connection but there is classified information that only top brass have access to.
Essence of your words remains the same.
You can't even get your story straight..so much so that can't even positive identify the aircraft which fired the missile.
And then you people claim you shot down Su 30 MKI.
 

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comprehension issues?
PAF's claim is based on the actual information, sensor data available to them, only they have seen the actual radar data, etc.

QT's writeup is based on information available in public domain, TV, internet, etc. that has only pictures of one downed mig. his article is only his opinion based on info he felt comfortable with.


PAF's claim is official PAF claim based on firsthand info. you go with what makes you happy. I believe PAF's claim to be 100% correct, but in my own discussions on the topic I always say 1 confirmed and one claimed kill.

but you guys believe IAF's claim of f-16 without any proof or claim from the actual person who is credited with the shooting (Abhinandan). see the difference?
 

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What nonsense word jumble are trying you trying here..he is clearly claiming in this article Su 30 MKI survived a direct hit from F 16.

Surviving means not crashing and nothing else.


Essence of your words remains the same.
You can't even get your story straight..so much so that can't even positive identify the aircraft which fired the missile.
And then you people claim you shot down Su 30 MKI.





It means Su30 received a direct hit, but survived (as in managed to escape from the area).
 

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comprehension issues?
PAF's claim is based on the actual information, sensor data available to them, only they have seen the actual radar data, etc.

QT's writeup is based on information available in public domain, TV, internet, etc. that has only pictures of one downed mig. his article is only his opinion based on info he felt comfortable with.


PAF's claim is official PAF claim based on firsthand info. you go with what makes you happy. I believe PAF's claim to be 100% correct, but in my own discussions on the topic I always say 1 confirmed and one claimed kill.

but you guys believe IAF's claim of f-16 without any proof or claim from the actual person who is credited with the shooting (Abhinandan). see the difference?
Since you believe PAF hundred percent correct tell me this ..was it JF 17 which shot the Su 30 or F 16 ?
It means Su30 received a direct hit, but survived (as in managed to escape from the area).
So it was not shot down..as PAF claims .. because PAF has erected a tail of Su 30 in it's Museum and awarded a kill to Hassan Siddiqui.
 

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