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IAF VS PLAAF IN EASTERN LADAKH :Air Marshal B.K. Pandey (Retd)

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Your logic is a "less advanced" unit is bought after more advanced unit is inducted. First you're wrong about Su-35 purchase anyway. Negotiation date, purchase date, delivery date all different. Negotiation happened around 2006. Different reasons because Su-35 was changed a few times around that era and purchase deal date was around 2010 but deal specifics were still not decided between Russia and China because Russia then was switching to BM version of Su-35 and 117 engine. This time J-20 was 8 years away from service and PLAAF had no idea really how long it would have taken CAC to complete J-20 back around 2010 when Su-35 purchase negotiation details were still being discussed.

Anyway even using your logic which is poor, import has nothing to do with this. Import or not, it is about more modern vs older. Even ignoring your timeline problem, it still is believable for China to buy su-35 even if J-20 was in service in 2010 and Su-35 bought in 2020. Even if such a thing were true, there is still good reason to do this. Just like the same reason US bought Kh-31 in the past and bought or stole all kinds of foreign equipment to test and work out how good it is and how to defeat it. Remember India has MKI which has thrust vectoring using similar layout as Su-35. Back then China did not have its own thrust vectoring which J-10 eventually shown. It uses a different system and type of twisting nozzle to Sukhoi method but in 2010 PLAAF was definitely interested to know more about it and how well it works.

China has only ever made one purchase of Su-35. The deal was done around 2010 and negotiation on details kept changing and Russia wanted China to buy more. Because China thought it was useless to have more than just a few for evaluation and testing, eventually both agreed on just 24 which China thinks is low enough to not waste money and Russia thought was enough to make money from. You think if J-20 is truly not good enough, China would only buy 24 Su-35? Maybe 240 wouldn't even be enough because already J-20 number is about half of that only three years after introduce to PLAAF.
Now the information is available and out, will let idiot sore butthurt one run his mouth. At least readers know and he can make fun of himself as much as he likes.
Your logic doesn’t make sanse. I will tell you why. We had LCA Tejas in making at the time of MMRCA. The reason for rejection og Gripen was cited as India having a similar aircraft in making at that time. Here, China was flying J20 5 years ahead of they received first Su35 and 8 years before last Su35 was delivered. China purchased S 400 much later than they had HQ9 and other HQ in operation.
 

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Your logic doesn’t make sanse. I will tell you why. We had LCA Tejas in making at the time of MMRCA. The reason for rejection og Gripen was cited as India having a similar aircraft in making at that time. Here, China was flying J20 5 years ahead of they received first Su35 and 8 years before last Su35 was delivered. China purchased S 400 much later than they had HQ9 and other HQ in operation.
If Tejas is good, why didn't IAF deploy Tejas to patrol border LOC after IAF sent fighters attacking targets in Pakistan in 2019? Why did IAF send old Mig-21 Bison to rescue the fleeing Su-30MKI? Everyone knew Mig-21 is obsolete can only fly for training or serve under reserves unit. If J-20 is not deadly, why IAF deployed Rafales to patrol Ladakh?
 

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Your logic is a "less advanced" unit is bought after more advanced unit is inducted. First you're wrong about Su-35 purchase anyway. Negotiation date, purchase date, delivery date all different. Negotiation happened around 2006. Different reasons because Su-35 was changed a few times around that era and purchase deal date was around 2010 but deal specifics were still not decided between Russia and China because Russia then was switching to BM version of Su-35 and 117 engine. This time J-20 was 8 years away from service and PLAAF had no idea really how long it would have taken CAC to complete J-20 back around 2010 when Su-35 purchase negotiation details were still being discussed.

Anyway even using your logic which is poor, import has nothing to do with this. Import or not, it is about more modern vs older. Even ignoring your timeline problem, it still is believable for China to buy su-35 even if J-20 was in service in 2010 and Su-35 bought in 2020. Even if such a thing were true, there is still good reason to do this. Just like the same reason US bought Kh-31 in the past and bought or stole all kinds of foreign equipment to test and work out how good it is and how to defeat it. Remember India has MKI which has thrust vectoring using similar layout as Su-35. Back then China did not have its own thrust vectoring which J-10 eventually shown. It uses a different system and type of twisting nozzle to Sukhoi method but in 2010 PLAAF was definitely interested to know more about it and how well it works.

China has only ever made one purchase of Su-35. The deal was done around 2010 and negotiation on details kept changing and Russia wanted China to buy more. Because China thought it was useless to have more than just a few for evaluation and testing, eventually both agreed on just 24 which China thinks is low enough to not waste money and Russia thought was enough to make money from. You think if J-20 is truly not good enough, China would only buy 24 Su-35? Maybe 240 wouldn't even be enough because already J-20 number is about half of that only three years after introduce to PLAAF.
Now the information is available and out, will let idiot sore butthurt one run his mouth. At least readers know and he can make fun of himself as much as he likes.
His British daddy says that Chinese fighter aircraft are more advanced than Russian ones.


The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) has concluded that China is well on its way to eclipsing Russia in the field of combat aircraft.
 

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It is an old news. I will have to do a big effort to find it as the same may not be the heading. If I am able to find and post it, do you promise that you won't bluff again and stop posting nonsense here?
This guy is a class 9 student! Chill guys
 
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This guy is a class 9 student! Chill guys
you're day care child, if your MKI can detect J-20 from 300 km where is your proofs, your former air chief only say MKI can detect J-20 few kilometer away, if you are able detect J-20 from 300 km b y MKI that's doesn't means you can target/engage J-20 at that range, and vice versa J-20 can detect your MKI even more range at 400 km
 

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you're day care child, if your MKI can detect J-20 from 300 km where is your proofs, your former air chief only say MKI can detect J-20 few kilometer away, if you are able detect J-20 from 300 km b y MKI that's doesn't means you can target/engage J-20 at that range, and vice versa J-20 can detect your MKI even more range at 400 km
You are attacking the wrong guy

Check again
 

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IMO there will be no confrontation between IAF and PLAAF.

Both pilots from these Air Forces understands the consequences of such intrusions and are flying well within their own airspace.

There is nothing truthful about these sensationalised made believe news reports and comparation.

The US sponsored News Channels in India e.g. WION, Gravitas, etc are great in creating these fabricated anti-China tabloid news.
Mainly trash.
So stop wasting your time.


In fact PLAAF were still stationing their older J-10A fighters in Tibet until IAF started upgrade their warplanes in Ladakh Air bases.
 

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and he was saying to our guy that he is 9th class student his name is @Vapnope and he is asking a valid question where is the link that BS dhona said that MKI able to track J-20 at 300 km???
I quoted & refered surya's post not vapnope. Please don't be in a hurry to reply!
Surya's post are just in nationalist flavour, devoid of scientific facts , most of the time just parroting government line, again and again. This guy thinks Governments are gospels of truth and never lie.
 

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IMO there will be no confrontation between IAF and PLAAF.

Both pilots from these Air Forces understands the consequences of such intrusions and are flying well within their own airspace.

There is nothing truthful about these sensationalised made believe news reports and comparation.

The US sponsored News Channels in India e.g. WION, Gravitas, etc are great in creating these fabricated anti-China tabloid news.
Mainly trash.
So stop wasting your time.


In fact PLAAF were still stationing their older J-10A fighters in Tibet until IAF started upgrade their warplanes in Ladakh Air bases.
WION / Gravitas is owned and promoted by zee news/ (Essel group) with their top honcho subhash chandra as BJP - member of parliament. Zee network as well as Network 18 ( owned by reliance) is BJP backed propaganda networks.
Unfortunately nearly all news channels on air today are either from zee network or Network 18 group.
 
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If Tejas is good, why didn't IAF deploy Tejas to patrol border LOC after IAF sent fighters attacking targets in Pakistan in 2019? Why did IAF send old Mig-21 Bison to rescue the fleeing Su-30MKI? Everyone knew Mig-21 is obsolete can only fly for training or serve under reserves unit. If J-20 is not deadly, why IAF deployed Rafales to patrol Ladakh?
India is shifting Tejas to forward bases of Indo Pak border . Do uou know that?^
This guy is a class 9 student! Chill guys
A typical loudmoth without .
 

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