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IAF torpedoes HAL plans to develop trainer aircraft

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  1. RISING SUN

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    IAF torpedoes HAL plans to develop trainer aircraft
    The Indian Air Force (IAF) on Thursday demolished Hindustan Aeronautics Limited’s “dream” of developing a basic trainer, making it clear that the service would prefer to use the recently acquired Pilatus PC-7, a tried-and-tested aircraft.

    The IAF has made it clear that continued delays in the development of a slew of indigenously designed aircraft had left it with no other option.

    At a press conference, Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne also pointed out that the intermediate jet trainer – under development at HAL and behind schedule by 10 years – had serious problems with its engines and was not acceptable in the current configuration.

    Hours after HAL chairperson R K Tyagi said the public sector aviation major had dreams of developing a basic trainer called HPT-40 for the youngsters that would cost less than the imported Swiss trainer, Browne torpedoed his plans.

    “HAL’s planned trainer will cost more than the Pilatus,” he said. “There is no need for it anyway. We should stick to only one trainer.” The IAF has purchased 75 Pilatus PC-7 aircraft at a cost of Rs 3,000 crore (523 million Swiss Francs).

    The aircraft will take over the mantle from the IAF’s current fleet of HPT-32 trainers, which was grounded in 2009 after a series of technical problems. The first batch of two Pilatus aircraft arrived at the Indian Air Force Academy at Dundigal near Hyderabad on Saturday, from where they were flown to Bangalore for the show.

    HAL defiant

    Tyagi said the HAL board had given its approval to go ahead with HPT-40, which will be a “game changer” and “showcase product” from India. The defence PSU also plans to develop a weaponised version of the trainer for second stage training.

    “India still holds a three-stage training programme with basic (Pilatus), intermediate (IJT, which is under development) and advanced jet trainer (Hawk) whereas the rest of the world has moved to two-stage training with basic and advanced trainer,” said T Souvarna Raju, director of design and development at the HAL.

    The IAF is also cut up with the IJT programme, which began in the late 1990s and flew for the first time in 2003. Because of the huge time delay, Defence Minister A K Antony pulled up the HAL in public and asked the agency to make it fly once again by the next Aero India show in 2015.

    “The life of IJT engine currently is 100 hours, which need to be enhanced to 1200-1500 hours,” Browne said.

    “IJT had 647 flights so far, out of which 185 took place last year. As many as 25 flights happened in January. The limited series production is underway. We plan for an initial operational clearance by 2013-14, but our internal target for IOC is December, 2013,” said Tyagi.
    IAF torpedoes HAL plans to develop trainer aircraft
    WTF I heard just that it only 100 hours life span hour for engine. What a engine they made. Really it can be showcased in foreign countries. Marvell in eyes of onlookers.
    Here people say why IAF is against them. This is the reason. 10 decades are gone which it should have been in service. But all HAIL & bow to HAL it is still in planning phase. They should get befitted reply. Just nuke them(sometimes I think like that but I am emotional one:P so think that they should get another chance).
    @KRAIT BHAI, your comments are necessary here..
     
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    HAL "effed up" when they changed the French made Larzac engine in the Sitara to the Russian one. The French one cost more and had less power than the AI engine. But the IJT was designed around the Larzac. Then HAL got ambitious and hoped to add more muscle to the IJT so that it could take on the mantle of AJT; since the Hawk was not yet finalised then. That was their undoing.
     
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    HAL needs competition within India to keep them on their toes. Monopoly is not good...bring in private players & see how efficiency goes up.
     
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    Bingo.......You hit the nail. Over ambition caused us so much delay. Hope they will not repeat the same mistake in near future.

    As usual unprofessional and half baked response from our IAF Chief. Engine life is not 100 hours..........but this is due to the delays in getting certifications for the Al-55I engine. Unless engine gets certified we can't use it for more than a fixed specified hours (engine manufacturer decides it) and that too 100 hours is totally false as claim by Mr. Browne.

    Sometimes I wonder how professional are we in our approach before opening our mouth in public......... quoting wrong figures, and expecting some kind of magical developments where huge experience and R&D is required.