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I do not think it is as simple that the AIM-120C5 had longer range than R-77. These are just theoretical maximum range on head-on engagements and IAF still could have fought PAF even with the R-77 if their support package and tactics were better.
Just getting longer range missiles and thinking this will mean IAF does better next time is the wrong lesson from Feb 2019.
Rafale + Meteor should give IAF an edge when it arrives in May this year but this is only part of a larger package in air-warfare.
I already told that ....
It was a incident for few minutes and during the time only 2 su30mki and 2 mirage 2000 were petroling ( not in j&k) and later 6 mig 21 joined .....

Three Shortfalls (iaf) identified...
1. Missile range
2. AWACS
3. Secure communication for older fighter mig 21....
 

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They are working to regain and than retain the edge in terms on BVR capabilities ....they are putting entire weight on Rafales. It also shows (as some reports are suggesting) they may cancel 110 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircrafts acquisition in favour of Rafales and the numbers may increase to 100 plus....

one report suggests the future outlook of IAF ...2020 and beyond as:
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The are focusing their future plans mainly based on PLAAF & PAF plans and capability....the reports says:

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PAF has been regarded as a highly professional force by its opponents as well as its allies. Pakistan, by virtue of being part of the western allies in the cold war era and afterwards as well, PAF has had the opportunity to operate state of the art aircraft and equipment of the times including US systems like F-86s, F-104s, and F-16s. However, soon after the Soviets left Afghanistan, tough economic and military sanctions were imposed by the US due to which Pakistan military in general and PAF in particular lost out on to any new acquisitions, upgrades and refurbishments of the aging equipment and hence the entire decade of the 1990s was consumed in maintaining and training on the relatively older equipment. It was only after 9/11 that the US developed interest in the region and Pakistan was once again requested for support assistance for the US and NATO operations in Afghanistan and hence the flow of money and machines resumed.

"AMRAAM and also undertaking Mid-Life Upgrades of its older version of F-16s alongside inductions of JF-17s. PAF has also been concentrating on the procurements of ground-based radars, and surface to air and air to air weapons.

Training of its air and ground crew has been a priority for the PAF to successfully and smoothly induct the modern weapon systems. For the purpose, PAF has procured simulators and modernized its training institutions and firing ranges with state of the art simulation systems. PAF is training hard to fulfill its assigned mission which reads, “To provide in synergy with other services, the most efficient, assured and cost effective aerial defense of Pakistan”.

Analysis of PAF mission reveals that meaningful joint operations with effective air defense are the primary objectives of its leadership. PAF does not have aggressive designs but to ensure the assured aerial defense of Pakistan, it would have to undertake counter offensive operations for which it would need multirole aircraft supported by force multipliers. 40. PAF plans to build its future force structure around its own coproduced fighter JF17. PAF is expected to have at least 10-12 squadrons with a total fleet of 250-275 aircraft. These JF-17s would be equipped with advanced sensors and air-to-air weaponry. Also, these aircraft would be fitted with aerial refueling probes to enhance the loiter time. This large fleet of JF-17 would be led by multi-role advanced fleet of around 100 F-16s armed with wide ranging capabilities of carrying AMRAAMs, EW suits and variety of ground attack weapons. The exact number of these aircraft would be largely dependent on PakUS relations during the next ten years. PAF is also evaluating Chinese FC-20 aircraft and if funds become available, it may induct at least 36-40 aircraft anytime between 2015- 2017.

full report can be accessed at:
https://www.defence.gov.au/ADC/Publications/documents/Commanders/2012/Shamsi-2012.pdf
 

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Be realistic bro....

Chinese radar - KLJ-7A (limitations)
130 km (for RCS of 5 m2) (V2),

Mig 29 and su 30 mki can anytime will be loaded with R27 m (max range 197 km)... During the emergency purchase just like we purchased recently.

Again the decent and proven aircraft is f 16 and that can be threat to iaf..
I guess you still learn nothing. I make it simple for you.

During 1967 Israel/Arab war. Egypt fast attack craft boasted with Stynx antiship missile with attack range of 67km vs pathetic Israel Gabriel missile with range of 30km. Guess what. 60 Stynx missile fired by Egypt navy hit none of Israel warship due to ECM chaff. While Israel small boat slowly close in on them within 30km and finish off Egypt Navy.

Its not able having longer missile or bigger one. Its all the background electronic warfare and situation awareness that decide your victory or losses.
 

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Wow! They never learn. Now the Rafale / Meteor combo has become the newest Indian fantasy :disagree:

Do they forget that there exists the PL15? The same PL15 that the US fears outrages even its AMRAAM Ds and the same PL15 that has led to the US developing new very long range AAMs?
 

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I already told that ....
It was a incident for few minutes and during the time only 2 su30mki and 2 mirage 2000 were petroling ( not in j&k) and later 6 mig 21 joined .....

Three Shortfalls (iaf) identified...
1. Missile range
2. AWACS
3. Secure communication for older fighter mig 21....
Which moron sent Mig-21s to face F-16s and JF-17s armed with AIM-120C5 and SD-10A BVRAAMs?
 
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There is a reason we have a large number of AWACS. Thunders or F-16s will never face IAF alone.
Does not mean AWACS will always useful during the war..... Otherwise, all countries would not invest in latest fighter and purchased only AWACS and fly older generation aircraft's like mig 21.....

Which moron sent Mig-21s to face F-16s and JF-17s armed with AIM-120C5 and SD-10A BVRAAMs?
The same reason now mig 29 (upgraded) fighter deployed in j&k after this incident....
 

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The same reason now mig 29 (upgraded) fighter deployed in j&k after this incident....
If I was IAF I would only deploy French aircraft like Rafale and Mirage 2000( upgraded to latest standard) to face PAF on front line. SU-30MKI would be the second line as reserve.

Reason is that Russian aviation is now behind even Chinese.
In recent exercises Chinese J-16s and J-10Cs destroyed the latest Russian SU-35 in mock combat exercises. The Chinese planes are so much superior in radar and electronics over the Russian jets.

Do not think that Russian aircraft would help against Chinese, let alone Western fighters that PAF deploys.
 

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Does not mean AWACS will always useful during the war..... Otherwise, all countries would not invest in latest fighter and purchased only AWACS and fly older generation aircraft's like mig 21.....



The same reason now mig 29 (upgraded) fighter deployed in j&k after this incident....
Every airforce has enough AWACS with respect to the fighter fleet. US has deployed AWACS every time. They are built to take part in war.
 

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They are working to regain and than retain the edge in terms on BVR capabilities ....they are putting entire weight on Rafales. It also shows (as some reports are suggesting) they may cancel 110 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircrafts acquisition in favour of Rafales and the numbers may increase to 100 plus....

one report suggests the future outlook of IAF ...2020 and beyond as:
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The are focusing their future plans mainly based on PLAAF & PAF plans and capability....the reports says:

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PAF has been regarded as a highly professional force by its opponents as well as its allies. Pakistan, by virtue of being part of the western allies in the cold war era and afterwards as well, PAF has had the opportunity to operate state of the art aircraft and equipment of the times including US systems like F-86s, F-104s, and F-16s. However, soon after the Soviets left Afghanistan, tough economic and military sanctions were imposed by the US due to which Pakistan military in general and PAF in particular lost out on to any new acquisitions, upgrades and refurbishments of the aging equipment and hence the entire decade of the 1990s was consumed in maintaining and training on the relatively older equipment. It was only after 9/11 that the US developed interest in the region and Pakistan was once again requested for support assistance for the US and NATO operations in Afghanistan and hence the flow of money and machines resumed.

"AMRAAM and also undertaking Mid-Life Upgrades of its older version of F-16s alongside inductions of JF-17s. PAF has also been concentrating on the procurements of ground-based radars, and surface to air and air to air weapons.

Training of its air and ground crew has been a priority for the PAF to successfully and smoothly induct the modern weapon systems. For the purpose, PAF has procured simulators and modernized its training institutions and firing ranges with state of the art simulation systems. PAF is training hard to fulfill its assigned mission which reads, “To provide in synergy with other services, the most efficient, assured and cost effective aerial defense of Pakistan”.

Analysis of PAF mission reveals that meaningful joint operations with effective air defense are the primary objectives of its leadership. PAF does not have aggressive designs but to ensure the assured aerial defense of Pakistan, it would have to undertake counter offensive operations for which it would need multirole aircraft supported by force multipliers. 40. PAF plans to build its future force structure around its own coproduced fighter JF17. PAF is expected to have at least 10-12 squadrons with a total fleet of 250-275 aircraft. These JF-17s would be equipped with advanced sensors and air-to-air weaponry. Also, these aircraft would be fitted with aerial refueling probes to enhance the loiter time. This large fleet of JF-17 would be led by multi-role advanced fleet of around 100 F-16s armed with wide ranging capabilities of carrying AMRAAMs, EW suits and variety of ground attack weapons. The exact number of these aircraft would be largely dependent on PakUS relations during the next ten years. PAF is also evaluating Chinese FC-20 aircraft and if funds become available, it may induct at least 36-40 aircraft anytime between 2015- 2017.

full report can be accessed at:
https://www.defence.gov.au/ADC/Publications/documents/Commanders/2012/Shamsi-2012.pdf
Qualitative quantity and defence in your own hands. JF-17 is defence in your own hands not relying on those who will tamper with your abilities to defend against any aggressor. like F16 embargo and sanctions, which prevent maintenance leading to almost grounding the fleet. this is backed with credible & dependable partners in defence who bring forth an array of supplementary components that keeps up with the pace of modernisation. clearly AZM is the next round after JF-17 to keep on top of things.

Qualitative quantity continues to be the human machine interface achieved with rigorous training and further development.
 

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Be realistic bro....

Chinese radar - KLJ-7A (limitations)
130 km (for RCS of 5 m2) (V2),

Mig 29 and su 30 mki can anytime will be loaded with R27 m (max range 197 km)... During the emergency purchase just like we purchased recently.

Again the decent and proven aircraft is f 16 and that can be threat to iaf..
I am pretty sure, (call me a fool if that gives you orgasm or consult hakeem @Retired Troll ), but KLJ-7A advertised range is just a Mask used for you people. You really think that you can derive it’s range on the basis of “NO ACTUAL FACTS ABOUT KLJ-7A AIRCOOLED” ? Grow up, be realistic even if you are from India. A country which has produced 1800+T/R module radar for J-20 (rumoured even 2200+), and J-10C as well as J-16 radar also don’t count much less, That they will produce a radar for PAF and Thunder having such a petty range ?

Let me remind you, Block 2 Thunders could have changed the whole scenario that day if those 9 aircrafts were downed as well, but kon samjaye tum logon ko. Eager to see another such stupid event started by India, bring in your Rafales this time. We don’t want anything less...
 

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You had a one eyed dp before, thought that this resurrection department falls in your broad skillset
it wasn't Jesus's eye dude

Three Shortfalls (iaf) identified...
forget 3.

if you want to stay alive, choose a nick like Bhutto Hindustani. You will achieve nirvana and enlightenment and immortality. the 3 indian wishes.

i was asked by a Pakistani to give you a Hakeem advice so it was a moral obligation for me to tell you this secret cure.
 

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