• Wednesday, November 13, 2019

IAF not looking at foreign 5th Gen Stealth Jets or 36 more Rafales, to go for indigenous AMCA

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  1. Zapper

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    Indian Air Force (IAF) has no plan to operate foreign-made Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) or procure 36 more Rafale fighter jets from France. May 2020 will see the Rafale jet land in India as part of the IAF arsenal with the first batch having four fighters.
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    Instead of looking for a foreign-made 5th Generation stealth combat aircraft, the IAF is concentrating on getting the indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) in its arsenal to enhance its war-waging capabilities, announced Air Chief Marshal Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria on Friday.

    He stated that IAF has started the process of getting the Acceptance of Necessity (AON) from the Defence Ministry after finalising the Air Staff Quality Requirements (ASQR) for the MMRCA programme. "We will take further steps in due course," he said. Russia is keen to sell its 5th Generation stealth fighter Sukhoi Su-57E to India but ACM Bhadauria's statement on going in for an indigenous fighter will be a big boost for Hindustan Aeronautics Limited AMCA programme.


    The other big-bang announcement by the IAF Chief was prioritising 83 Light Combat Aircraft Tejas Mark 1A for the force. To ensure that simultaneous threats from Pakistan and China are successfully tackled, the IAF needs 42 squadrons of combat aircraft but is currently down to just 30 as the older MiG-21s and MiG-27s have been retired.

    "We have worked out and are moving towards ordering 12 more Su-30MKIs. We will take a look later on any future contract keeping in mind that some aircraft will be phased out and that we are not doing the engine upgrade of Jaguar," asserted the IAF Chief.

    IAF operates 139 Jaguar ground-attack fighters and wanted 80 of them to be fitted with F125IN turbofan engines built by American company Honeywell. But the plan has been dropped due to the steep cost involved. The force has also decided against procuring 38 more Pilatus PC-7 MkII training planes from Switzerland and will instead go in for the indigenous HTT-40 basic trainer aircraft being built by HAL.

    He also pointed out that the IAF has taken steps to ensure its radio communication is safe from jamming by the enemy. "They won’t be able to hear our communication. Fighter pilots are getting secure radio communication," he replied when asked whether Pakistan would be able to jam the communication with IAF pilots as they did in case of Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman during February 27, 2019, dogfight.

    Commenting on the crash of an upgraded Mirage-2000 on February 1, 2019, in which two IAF pilots died, ACM Bhadauria averred that the force is taking all necessary measures to find out the exact cause. "It is a priority for us and we are in full grip of the issue. Something failed and there was an uncommanded movement. We are waiting for some inputs from the original equipment manufacturer," he added.

    With Pakistan using small drones to smuggle weapons into India, the IAF Chief assured that necessary steps are being taken to deal with the new threat and some procurements are already in process to tackle the issue

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    All o can do is smile and hope this new is true.

    Pakistan's best friend is the indian defence industry
     
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    So no more Rafales???
     
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    This government made the right decision to put indigenous industry on priority.
    Our current acm has worked as a test pilot for lca:yahoo:
     
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    Damn right:yahoo:
     
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    Teja project is taking decades to complete and they are talking about a fifth gen fighter....indians and there wet dreams never stops....
     
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    Absolutely right, we are really happy too to see India moving in this direction.
     
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    On your Western front, you can neutralize the entire Air Force of the enemy with this jet on your Western front.. why you guys even want to induct a 5th generation against China? Tejas will do the job.
     
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    Don't smile, since IAF said they are going to order another 114 Gen-4.5 jets, which might be Rafale or something similar like F-18SH.

     
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    There's still the MMRCA 2.0 tender for 114 jets but I doubt that would go through given it'd take atleast 5-10 years to finalize the winner and setting up a manufacturing unit, establishing the supply chain and by the time we receive our first jet is when most countries would start retiring their 4th gens. There is still a possibility for IAF to go with 36 more Rafales per the follow-on order clause

    Even with all the cost overruns and project delays, Tejas helped in forming an aero ecosystem in India. So, AMCA's development would be much faster since we have all the necessary research labs and test beds like the wind tunnel etc already in place. Just so you know, we're doing great on the rotary wing side and all our recent acquisitions are designed and built by ARDE/HAL except for the Chinooks and Apaches
     
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    It doesn't make sense to invest in infrastructure and then buy only 36 planes.
     
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    The competition is always good & healthy especially since, two neighbors starts to compete, be it Defence Industry... not from the point of view of weapons but in-fact, will help a lot to boost academic level & education in respective domain. However, by looking at track record, these statements can't be taken on face value and India will surely go for foreign fighters very soon so, there is no time to rest as such. However, as Pakistan is moving ahead with Project Azm for FGFA along with possible 4.5 Generation Air Craft (indigenous or Foreign), such announcement from India will also help PAC to speed-up for many reasons including all-out foreign support to India which is not the luxury for Pakistan.

    Furthermore, I don't understand two things as
    1) the fate of investment into FGFA (is that being diverted to some other purchase)and then,
    2) Russian Reaction in view of India's long time commitment to project, and
    2) somebody quotes the need of 114 Medium Weight Class fighters from foreign manufacturer.

    However, IAF will surely go for more 36 Rafale Fighter Jets (as long as Modi is In-charge) beside that indigenous solution will take more time than finalizing the Tender for Import. Furthermore, MMRCA will in-fact result in buying foreign 114 air crafts in medium category... the rest can be continued by IAF like indigenous 5th Generation AC along with advancing LCA for induction but, will have to wait for that too.
     
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    A diversion tactic to make Pakistan think they will not order more Rafale so we don't push for our own F16V upgrade

    Classical bhindia tactic
     
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    We did not invest in any infrastructure for the 36 we just procured. They're off the shelf costs and we got a relatively better deal than Egypt and Qatar per jet

    India and Russia together invested $280mn during the design phase but since Russia limited India's role in the development process, India backed out from the deal even after multiple rounds of talks between the respective agencies. Frankly, FGFA is our only option for 5th gen because even if we cosy up with US for F-35...we'd be last in line and would face similar situation as Turkey if we go against US's interests particularly now that our deal for S-400 has already been signed.

    Regarding 114 MCF's, it would take a really long time before IAF's top brass receive their share of kickbacks and drag it as long as possible by the time 4th would be obsolete and it doesn't make sense procuring in those numbers. There is a possibility for 36 more Rafales and if IN decides to go for Rafale-M for IAC-3 (54 rquired), there is a good chance we'd go for localized production and some ToT while Safran helping us with Kaveri engine which is currently functioning but not attaining the required thrust
     
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    As far as I read previously, it was all green to go ahead with it. IN will surely opt for Rafale-M configuration.
     
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