For Pakistan the first phase R&D was also a joint step, however most of the work was done by the Chinese. The second phase, (manufacturing and serial production) is where the jointness increases as PAC will be responsible for production of 50% of the foreign sales (aside from 100% of the PAF order).The LCA does seem to be taking a long time to come to fruitation.
It may have been better to do as Pakistan did - stand by and watch the Chinese build a plane & then call it joint project.
Lets see how this pans out. Like I said, the cost for the european and Hornet sale would be astronomical if the numbers being sounded (125-200) are purchased.Blain
Recent reports have suggested that the Indian deal could be for upto 15 Billion USD. With that in mind, and the 17 Billion figure for a 25 year Life cycle + unit costs, the Indians could play around with the numbers and still get some 4-5 Squadrons for 15 Billion USD with lower years counted towards calculating life cycle costs.
Actually JF-17 R&D was not a completely hands-off thing for PAF. We have a team of two full time ([SIZE=-1]ETPS trained) test pilots and a batch of 20 or so aeronautical engineers working with the Chinese ever since the inception of this project. Its limited for sure but the Chinese aviation industry has had some very decent help from the PAF on avionics and design ergonomics arena.The JF-17 is a license production program...dont see much there from Pak in R&D.
Blain I agree about costs, 200 aircraft are impossible, 100-120much more reasonable.
Thanks for the information, it seems quite similar to what the Indians did for the Bison program, in terms of design customization for their requirements. What I was trying to say was that the work tho' remains majorly OEM intensive, and the customer does not partake in ab-initio R&D.Actually JF-17 R&D was not a completely hands-off thing for PAF. We have a team of two full time ([SIZE=-1]ETPS trained) test pilots and a batch of 20 or so aeronautical engineers working with the Chinese ever since the inception of this project. Its limited for sure but the Chinese aviation industry has had some very decent help from the PAF on avionics and design ergonomics arena.
You might well be correct! 80 MiG-35s and 40 F/A-18s.Even 100-120 F/A-18s would be a very costly venture as India wants production lines to be set up. I still am sticking to my 80/20 split on US and Russian aircraft.
please specify the pakistani avionics used on the thunder and the help provided to the j-10.Many people here fail to understand that Pakistan has also helped alot with the Jf-17 and J-10 project. Pakistan has made some of the avionics used on the thunder. Pakistan had also sent many scientist and engineers to China.
please specify the pakistani avionics used on the thunder and the help provided to the j-10.
Please correct me if i am wrong but the sd-10 bvr is also Pakistani-Chinese made isn't it.
Name it man, if your so sure.Pakistan has done a decent amount of work for the JF-17. Pakistan karma research lab is known to have provided China with some decsent avoinics for the JF-17 such as the EW suite (one of the most advanced in the world) and other goodies. Also Chukkar get your facts right, Pakistan has done alot for the JF-17 program