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Nope from Pew global trends ever since Trump began his all out attack on China in 2017, public opinion in the US and associated regimes started going down. If you attack us expect to be hit back.

China isn't Christian, nor are we stereotypical Asian doormats. We aren't going to turn the other cheek or get intimidated by threats. We will continue to pursue policies to deter aggression and counter coercive threats to the global public and Chinese interests.
Did Germany, France, Sweden or the Czech Republic attack China? NO
Stereotypical Asian doormat? I sense a deep rooted insecurity :lol:
 

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Nonsense, remember this statement from a CPC mouth piece “Australia is always there, making trouble. It is a bit like chewing gum stuck on the sole of China’s shoes. Sometimes you have to find a stone to rub it off.”

It wasn't something Western media made up, public opinion turned against China because the Chinese diplomats aggressively pushed the narrative that their system of governance is superior to Western democracy.

Heck even the Chinese on PDF repeatedly lament China's clumsy aggressive wolf warrior diplomacy . And here you are...

RCEP is a trade agreement - a diluted version of TPP that Trump abandoned. Unlike Pakistan and India, ASEAN nations are smart enough to see the big picture and separate good business from territorial disputes.
Beginning three years ago, the neoliberal MSM, which are one and the same throughout the Anglophone countries, went full tilt in it's anti-China obsession when it came to the realization among the Western elite that China's progress was far more rapid and far deeper than they assumed and that if this trend continued, China would overtake the US not only in economic size but also in technological innovation. They had long been fine with China being bigger than the West in GDP but assumed that China would remain in the middle income trap and lacked innovation capabilities, thus being stuck being a huge factory and market for Western goods. However, once key leadership realized that this point of view was hubris and that China in fact had the capability to surpass the West not only in quantity but in quality, a mass hysteria set in among the Western ruling class and there evolved this broad consensus to demonize and destroy China's reputation in order to isolate it.

Day in and day out, there is a never ending and incessant barrage of near maniacal and hysterical hate propaganda coming from the mainstream Western outlets against China. China's response to it has largely been slow and avoidant. In the few times that Chinese diplomats have made callous remarks against the West, these have been amplified and labeled as "wolf warrior diplomacy" when in fact, it is but a drop in the bucket compared to the incessant and overwhelming hostility and mouth foaming hatred that is coming from the Western MSM and political class over the last 3 years.

But let's boil it down to the basics. Where is this near hysterical hatred stemming from? It is stemming from fear. Fear that a non-Western, NON-WHITE country has the capability and momentum to eclipse the Western stranglehold on scientific and financial supremacy worldwide. If China succeeds, it will be one of the most profound shifts in world history not seen in the last 500 years. No sovereign willingly gives up their throne and this fear of losing control is the powerful force that is driving Western hostility against China.
 

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Beginning three years ago, the neoliberal MSM, which are one and the same throughout the Anglophone countries, went full tilt in it's anti-China obsession when it came to the realization among the Western elite that China's progress was far more rapid and far deeper than they assumed and that if this trend continued, China would overtake the US not only in economic size but also in technological innovation. They had long been fine with China being bigger than the West in GDP but assumed that China would remain in the middle income trap and lacked innovation capabilities, thus being stuck being a huge factory and market for Western goods. However, once key leadership realized that this point of view was hubris and that China in fact had the capability to surpass the West not only in quantity but in quality, a mass hysteria set in among the Western ruling class and there evolved this broad consensus to demonize and destroy China's reputation in order to isolate it.

Day in and day out, there is a never ending and incessant barrage of near maniacal and hysterical hate propaganda coming from the mainstream Western outlets against China. China's response to it has largely been slow and avoidant. In the few times that Chinese diplomats have made callous remarks against the West, these have been amplified and labeled as "wolf warrior diplomacy" when in fact, it is but a drop in the bucket compared to the incessant and overwhelming hostility and mouth foaming hatred that is coming from the Western MSM and political class over the last 3 years.

But let's boil it down to the basics. Where is this near hysterical hatred stemming from? It is stemming from fear. Fear that a non-Western, NON-WHITE country has the capability and momentum to eclipse the Western stranglehold on scientific and financial supremacy worldwide. If China succeeds, it will be one of the most profound shifts in world history not seen in the last 500 years. No sovereign willingly gives up their throne and this fear of losing control is the powerful force that is driving Western hostility against China.
You are so wrong about the US obsessing over global supremacy. There is no such thing, the notion of super power, be it Chinese or American is an illusion. The system needs a bad guy and thus Beijing becomes the Yin to Washington's Yang - how else are we to progress as a race? We need to rage against someone...something. The Soviet were a disappointment, the Chinese have been elevated to new unwitting bad guy status. It's all scripted, Washington and Beijing are merely actors.
 

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RCEP is ASEAN initiative, not China
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Even China media acknowledge it

Does that change the fact that China is part of this potentially massive free trade bloc?

My point is that the argument that 'attitudes towards China have darkened' is a Western promoted view. It's not that China does not suffer from a negative image, but that China's actual actions and policies pale in comparison to the interventionist policies of the West, especially the US, that have caused unimaginable suffering for millions and hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians to die, all in the pursuit of some absurd 'promotion of democracy and freedom' exercise.
 

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You are so wrong about the US obsessing over global supremacy. There is no such thing, the notion of super power, be it Chinese or American is an illusion. The system needs a bad guy and thus Beijing becomes the Yin to Washington's Yang - how else are we to progress as a race? We need to rage against someone...something. The Soviet were a disappointment, the Chinese have been elevated to new unwitting bad guy status. It's all scripted, Washington and Beijing are merely actors.
The US obsessing over global supremacy is a given. It's actually not just the US, but the entire Western order dominated by the Anglophone nations.

Yes, manufactured enemies have always been part and parcel to maintaining this supremacy. However, make no mistake about it, China is definitely committed to supplanting the US as the world's foremost economic and technological leader. Does this mean that China wants the US destroyed or it wants the destruction of the West or of liberal democracy? Absolutely not. If China had its way, it would retain amicable relationships with the West and have access to their markets but China would be the foremost commercial and technological power in the world. However, losing global supremacy in itself is seen as a near existential threat to a Western elite that has been accustomed to dominating the world for the last 500 years.
 

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Nonsense, remember this statement from a CPC mouth piece “Australia is always there, making trouble. It is a bit like chewing gum stuck on the sole of China’s shoes. Sometimes you have to find a stone to rub it off.”

It wasn't something Western media made up, public opinion turned against China because the Chinese diplomats aggressively pushed the narrative that their system of governance is superior to Western democracy.

Heck even the Chinese on PDF repeatedly lament China's clumsy aggressive wolf warrior diplomacy . And here you are...

RCEP is a trade agreement - a diluted version of TPP that Trump abandoned. Unlike Pakistan and India, ASEAN nations are smart enough to see the big picture and separate good business from territorial disputes.
I completely agree that China has failed when it comes to PR - my post that you responded to mentions as much.

It is ALSO true that the West has just as much, if not more, of a superiority and Messiah/savior complex and voices that desire to remain superior to everyone else overtly. And while China has largely failed to promote a positive image of itself globally, it is also true that the West has pushed a vicious anti-China propaganda campaign that has made China look worse & compounded her image problems, especially when you look at the actual TANGIBLE negative policies of the West (wars, sanctions, military & proxy interventions) vs those of China.
The US obsessing over global supremacy is a given. It's actually not just the US, but the entire Western order dominated by the Anglophone nations.

Yes, manufactured enemies have always been part and parcel to maintaining this supremacy. However, make no mistake about it, China is definitely committed to supplanting the US as the world's foremost economic and technological leader. Does this mean that China wants the US destroyed or it wants the destruction of the West or of liberal democracy? Absolutely not. If China had its way, it would retain amicable relationships with the West and have access to their markets but China would be the foremost commercial and technological power in the world. However, losing global supremacy in itself is seen as a near existential threat to a Western elite that has been accustomed to dominating the world for the last 500 years.
The idea that China wants to destroy the West is a bogeyman created by the Western Establishment still stuck in a Cold War mindset, that refuses to accept anything less than complete and absolute Western economic, military and technological superiority over the rest of the world.

Why would China want to destroy the West, when trade and economic relations with the West are such a major part of her economy? China isn't trying to set up military bases in US or NATO backyards, but the US is absolutely doing exactly that to China.
 
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I completely agree that China has failed when it comes to PR - my post that you responded to mentions as much.

It is ALSO true that the West has just as much, if not more, of a superiority and Messiah/savior complex and voices that desire to remain superior to everyone else overtly. And while China has largely failed to promote a positive image of itself globally, it is also true that the West has pushed a vicious anti-China propaganda campaign that has made China look worse & compounded her image problems, especially when you look at the actual TANGIBLE negative policies of the West (wars, sanctions, military & proxy interventions) vs those of China.

The idea that China wants to destroy the West is a bogeyman created by the Western Establishment still stuck in a Cold War mindset, that refuses to accept anything less than complete and absolute Western economic, military and technological superiority over the rest of the world.

Why would China want to destroy the West, when trade and economic relations with the West are such a major part of her economy? China isn't trying to set up military bases in US or NATO backyards, but the US is absolutely doing exactly that to China.
China is horrendous in terms of propaganda. Most of this is cultural. Due to its isolation, China has been culturally disconnected from the other large cultural spheres of the world for many centuries, this includes the West, the Islamic world, the Latin American nations, Africa, etc. Thus, China is unable to communicate effectively in their dialectic and through their cultural references, its own point of view and is largely ineffective in mounting an effective defense of themselves against an unending and unremitting barrage of sensationalistic and toxic hate propaganda.
 

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Did Germany, France, Sweden or the Czech Republic attack China? NO
Stereotypical Asian doormat? I sense a deep rooted insecurity :lol:
German has the most ETIM terrorists hiding in their country. Czech even send delegate to Taiwan. I recall during US civil war, the Union threatened war with any country assisting the Confederacy.
 

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Haters are desperate. China literally lives rent free in their heads and is growing rapidly. Nothing they can do about it except troll with low iq from mums basements lol.
 

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Oh no a lot of retarded Americans fall for projecting and deflecting American propaganda targeting low IQ retards, says retarded American propaganda targeting low IQ retards! How can China ever recover from this? I guess China should just stop winning in reality.
 

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Overall this trend benefits Vietnam. But the specific effect depends on individual cases.

Take Samsung for example, after shutting down its factories in China Samsung actually began to outsource both the design and the manufacturing of its lower end phones to Chinese ODMs. So it's really a matter of Samsung making itself more asset light and efficient. China now plays a bigger role in Samsung's supply chain as Chinese companies now both design and manufacture Samsung phones.

Taiwanese OEMs like Pegatron are moving some of their operations to Vietnam but at the same time Apple added Chinese OEM Luxshare to its supply chain. This again moves a Chinese company up the value chain (Luxshare did a lot of outsource works for Foxconn before becoming a direct supplier to Apple).

For tires and auto-parts it's mostly to avoid tariffs though, so likely a net loss for China. But Vietnam has a large population and a growing economy so its domestic demands for automobile will increase. If the trade war ends Chinese manufacturers can shift the focus of new investments back to China (if Chinese factories are more productive) and increasingly use Vietnamese factories to supply Vietnam's domestic market. Really depends on how the trade war goes.
Its true that trade war,plus Covid make CN economy suffer a huge loss.Factories left CN to VN making millions Cnese jobless. Many CN companies ( coal, aluminum, chip makers ) went bankrupted due to high labor cost and poor management.

With that economic situation, CN should making better relationship with some nations that can help her to get out of the economic problems first.

Its really bad when Xi decide to apply "wofl warrior diplomacy " to bully so many nations ( VN-Pinoy-EU- India-JP- Brazil etc) making everyone get angry and united to slap back CN ( blocking Huawei, Hikvision, 25% tariff etc)
 

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Hate/dislike is just an emotion. Public opinion is te epitome of crowd emotionalism. It can be manipulated/manufactured via targeted propaganda. Sometimes as big as a traumatic event, sometimes as small as a picture will trigger such public opinion sways.

Think of the one still image of Tiananmen protests' emotional impact on public sentiment. It is all about how willing or how capable one is in international public opinion propaganda. Normally, for those willing, the US produces such material almost on daily basis such as the 'I can't breathe' pictures.

China is a little bit of both in using such materials as a counter propaganda for influencing public opinion: Less capable, and less willing (China's officials are quite reticent and keep mum as compared to many mouth-foaming angry US high officials, including Senators).

There is historical psychology involved in here: From the geographic discoveries and colonialism onwards, the West justified critical policies (read Roosevelt Corollary, for instance, for a very racist supremacist view of international relations) through ethnocentricism based on us vs. them dichotomy.

It is exactly the discourse the US elite has been building openly against China (US was no less hostile during, say, Obama admin) from the moment (around 2008) they understood that China would never adpt any Western ideology/model in a wholesale fashion. China's political, economic ideational sovereignty has become the trigger for the dormant Western ideological fanaticism and racism against China.

We need to learn to ignore public opinion and, instead, focus on our own discourse and voice it constantly. In the West, for the elite, changing the public opinion is as easy as changing one's underwear. It is just a matter of investing some money.

They were predicting doom soon after the PH 'won' against China at the Australia backed kangaroo court.

Remember US opinion toward Middle East invasions throughout last decade. It changed more often than Trump changed his administration.

We should not place much importance to something as cheap as Western (influenced) public opinion. It is worthless.

Just be stronger. Strength will create respect out of fear and awe.
 

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West thinks china owns them for making china a manufacturing power house but china already fulfilled in its deal with the west when china switched sides to take down Ussr.
 

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