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Just imgine iran is the only country in the world. There is no external influence. Does this system do justice to the people of Iran?
This depends entirely on what you consider to be doing justice. In your hypothetical world, what makes you believe the singular state would function in the same manner as a state in the real world? the needs (minus the obvious) of the people could differ greatly.

Democracy not about just voting and letting govt to do whatever it want to do for the whole term. It's about people being heard on each level from grassroots to the top.
People are always heard, but the issue is whether their voice should or is translated into action by the higher ups.

If things are not going good for people that means those in power aren't doing their job.
This is not an only A-->X option. There could be many reasons why X (things not going good for people) is reached. It can be A (Those in power), but it could also be B, e.g what you consider to be good for people may not be good for the long term interests of that country. We can create many scenarios here.

People should stand up and tell them to do their job properly. I feel right now the Iranian govt priority is not the people of Iran but the idea of being great in the world.
Iranian establishment is following the interest of Iran. This is not a superficially driven motive of image. You need to look at the long term, full picture.

The amount of oil money Iran had it should had made it one of the advanced country in the world.
How do you determine when it a country has become advanced? What is your yard stick?
Oil money is no guarantee of becoming truly advanced. There is a large gulf of difference between being an advanced society and a superficially advanced one. If you want to see this, look across the Persian Gulf to Iran's Monarchial neighbours. Despite their oil money and (unlike Iran)no sanctions to impede them, they are basically just hollow, but gold plated.

Iran is on its way to becoming a very advanced country scientifically and technologically, but due to the forces against it, this is a more difficult road.
 

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What a load of crap.
Anything to back that assertion up? While staying focused, of course, on the subject matter, that is:

- the role and position of pro-Isra"el"i zionist oligarchs like Hojabr Yazdaani, Habibollah Elghaanian, Habib Saabet-Paasal (the person who introduced and owned the first television broadcasting channel in Iran, as well as the hyper-luxurious Stone Garden Palace on Bozorgraahe Aafrighaa),

- the role of covert pro-Israel networks like Shabakeh Zeytoon,

- the role of Mossad in the establishment of SAVAK's bureaus for counter-intelligence and internal security, includin the Komiteye Moshtarak responsible for the torture of thousands of opponents under the shah regime (including a young female Muslim activist tortured to death).

And how the Islamic Revolution changed this situation.

Plus:

- the role of Parviz Saabeti, fugitive to Isra"el" and his stay-behind SAVAKi-Mossad nofoozi network, suspected of being behind a spate of sabotage and espionage operations in Iran over the past 40 years.
 

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The Russian revolution of 1917 will also be remembered in history forever.

It started of with the noble cause of freeing the people from the rule of the tsar and ended up in an even worse dictatorship with million dying in gulags under the tyranny of Stalin and half of Europe living behind the Iron curtain.

I think history would remember more favorably the day they knocked down the Berlin wall , soviet union fell and east Europe set free ...


Same thing happened in Iran , they got rid of one monarch and found themselves in an even worse dictatorship, one that is not content just to hold absolute power like any monarch but also shoves it's nose into people private lives.,





1987- another moment in history :





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This depends entirely on what you consider to be doing justice. In your hypothetical world, what makes you believe the singular state would function in the same manner as a state in the real world? the needs (minus the obvious) of the people could differ greatly.



People are always heard, but the issue is whether their voice should or is translated into action by the higher ups.



This is not an only A-->X option. There could be many reasons why X (things not going good for people) is reached. It can be A (Those in power), but it could also be B, e.g what you consider to be good for people may not be good for the long term interests of that country. We can create many scenarios here.



Iranian establishment is following the interest of Iran. This is not a superficially driven motive of image. You need to look at the long term, full picture.



How do you determine when it a country has become advanced? What is your yard stick?
Oil money is no guarantee of becoming truly advanced. There is a large gulf of difference between being an advanced society and a superficially advanced one. If you want to see this, look across the Persian Gulf to Iran's Monarchial neighbours. Despite their oil money and (unlike Iran)no sanctions to impede them, they are basically just hollow, but gold plated.

Iran is on its way to becoming a very advanced country scientifically and technologically, but due to the forces against it, this is a more difficult road.
Example for advancement should be Germany, Japan and south Korea. Who have invested heavily on education, science and technology instead of weapons. They mind their own business and have very less footprint on global military conflicts. Even Germany want to have better relationship with neighbors that include Russia and China. They don't want America to force them in their unnecessary wars. That Iran should do to look after their people export science & technology to world.
 

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Anything to back that assertion up? While staying focused, of course, on the subject matter, that is:

- the role and position of pro-Isra"el"i zionist oligarchs like Hojabr Yazdaani, Habibollah Elghaanian, Habib Saabet-Paasal (the person who introduced and owned the first television broadcasting channel in Iran, as well as the hyper-luxurious Stone Garden Palace on Bozorgraahe Aafrighaa),

- the role of covert pro-Israel networks like Shabakeh Zeytoon,

- the role of Mossad in the establishment of SAVAK's bureaus for counter-intelligence and internal security, includin the Komiteye Moshtarak responsible for the torture of thousands of opponents under the shah regime (including a young female Muslim activist tortured to death).

And how the Islamic Revolution changed this situation.

Plus:

- the role of Parviz Saabeti, fugitive to Isra"el" and his stay-behind SAVAKi-Mossad nofoozi network, suspected of being behind a spate of sabotage and espionage operations in Iran over the past 40 years.
You are trying to paint pre Islamic revolution Iran as a zionist controlled country were the Jews controlled the wealth and oppressed Muslims. That is utter bullshit. The Shah himself was a Shia Muslim, he criticized the Jewish lobby in the US and he believed Palestine should be returned to Jordanian rule. Sure, the Islamic Republics policy towards Israel is more aggressive, but to say Iran was controlled by the Zionists is nonsense at best.

The Shah was ruthless against communists, he did not however have any issues with Muslims, It's funny you should mention torture of a single muslim activist, doesn't Iran torture Iranian muslims today? Do you think all those political prisoners in Iran are non muslims?

Those were different times, just because the Shah didn't chant death to Israel doesn't mean he was a zionist or that Iran was controlled by the zionists.
 

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You are trying to paint pre Islamic revolution Iran as a zionist controlled country were the Jews controlled the wealth and oppressed Muslims. That is utter bullshit.
Firstly, I did not use those terms at all in my introductory post. I would advise to put more effort into a proper comprehension of what you read.

Secondly yes, whether you like it or not, there was a disproportionate concentration of wealth and power in the hands of zionist groups. That's a historic fact and I amply substantiated it already but will keep providing further evidence here.


The Shah himself was a Shia Muslim,
The ruler of Morocco is Muslim too. So is the king of Jordan. That doesn't make these two countries any less subservient to zionist interests.

Now if you consider states like Jordan or Morocco as beacons of independence from the zionist oligarchy, I really can't help you.


he criticized the Jewish lobby in the US and he believed Palestine should be returned to Jordanian rule.
You're talking about a bunch of sporadic, anecdotic and isolated statements, as opposed to coherent and sustained political communication. The shah daydreaming in the confinement of his royal bathroom in the presence of some crony who picked that statement up and divulged it to the public, is what this is all about.

Was there any official media campaign in support of those goals? Any social activism to that effect encouraged or funded by the regime? Nope.

Hence those occasional, disparate little exclamations by the shah possessed the political value and significance of, pardon my French, royal farts in a palace bathroom. Nothing more.

Your emotional attachment to the shah's person is making you lose sight of what is relevant and what not. Much like defenders of the Saudi or Jordanian regimes trying to explain how "valiantly anti-zionist" their governments are. Please be serious.


to say Iran was controlled by the Zionists is nonsense at best.
Only to those not sufficiently in the know of the distribution of power back then.

Zionists were pretty much in control of Iran from top to bottom. Their oligarchs, along with their Haifaite Baahaai and freemason sidekicks, were making the rules.

When the shah tried to have a SAVAK agent, Esmaa'il Raa'in, publish a book lifting the veil on the identity of some leading freemasons but was then forced by those same occult centers of power to stop the distribution of the book, you get an idea of how powerful these groups had grown inside the system.

Same applies to the Haifaite Baahaai organization as well as to the zionist networks.

This isn't about the IRI being "more aggressive" towards the zionists than the shah regime, but about the infiltration, occupation and hijacking of centers of power. Please tell me, what crucial sector of Iranian industries, media or state institutions (in particular the security apparatus) are owned or presided over by zionist oligarchs with dual citizenship and primary loyalties to Tel Aviv? Today, which zionist oligarch appears on national TV to boast about his exorbitant wealth accumulated at the expense of ordinary Iranians?


he did not however have any issues with Muslims
I never claimed the shah "had issues with Muslims". But his regime certainly did have issues with a whole lot of Islamic activists. A simple look at the number of IRI officials imprisoned under the shah, from Hashemi Rafsanjani to the Supreme Leader himself, should suffice to recognize this.

Also, my point was not about political prisoners per se, but about the Mossad's hand in all this. When your intelligence apparatus is entirely built from scratch by imperialist foreign powers, then chances are you will not enjoy actual sovereignty worthy of that name, and that your security apparatus will act not in the national interest but in the interest of those same arrogant foreign entities.


Do you think all those political prisoners in Iran are non muslims?
Let me try it this way: are the security agents who arrested them, and those who are keeping them at Evin, as well as those who trained said security agents, are they Iranians and Muslims or not? Likewise, who trained the SAVAKis? Iranians, or Isra"el"is, Americans, Britishers?

That's where the problem lies.

The Islamic Revolution gave Iran its independence back. Iran ceased being exploited by rapacious foreign imperialists and international oligarchs.


Those were different times, just because the Shah didn't chant death to Israel doesn't mean he was a zionist or that Iran was controlled by the zionists.
That "the shah didn't chant death to Israel" doesn't necessarily mean Iran was not under zionist domination either.

In fact it pretty much was, as I have illustrated already, and as I will keep progressively expanding upon in this thread.
 
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How do you determine when it a country has become advanced? What is your yard stick?
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good question

Example for advancement should be Germany, Japan and south Korea. Who have invested heavily on education, science and technology instead of weapons

I would add countries like Denmark , the Netherlands , Luxembourg , Sweden to that list.

Countries that may not be ahead in technology , but pave and show the way in everything concerning human rights and human liberties.


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A documentary I saw about Raza shah that he was toppled cause British petroleum.

Britain Fights Oil Nationalism
he coup had its roots in a British showdown with Iran, restive under decades of near-colonial British domination.
The prize was Iran's oil fields. Britain occupied Iran in World War II to protect a supply route to its ally, the Soviet Union, and to prevent the oil from falling into the hands of the Nazis — ousting the shah's father, whom it regarded as unmanageable. It retained control over Iran's oil after the war through the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company.
In 1951, Iran's Parliament voted to nationalize the oil industry, and legislators backing the law elected its leading advocate, Dr. Mossadegh, as prime minister.

Britain responded with threats and sanctions.

Dr. Mossadegh, a European-educated lawyer then in his early 70's, prone to tears and outbursts, refused to back down. In meetings in November and December 1952, the secret history says, British intelligence officials startled their American counterparts with a plan for a joint operation to oust the nettlesome prime minister.

The Americans, who "had not intended to discuss this question at all," agreed to study it, the secret history says. It had attractions. Anti-Communism had risen to a fever pitch in Washington, and officials were worried that Iran might fall under the sway of the Soviet Union, a historical presence there.

In March 1953, an unexpected development pushed the plot forward: the C.I.A.'s Tehran station reported that an Iranian general had approached the American Embassy about supporting an army-led coup.

The newly inaugurated Eisenhower administration was intrigued. The coalition that elected Dr. Mossadegh was splintering, and the Iranian Communist Party, the Tudeh, had become active.

Allen W. Dulles, the director of central intelligence, approved $1 million on April 4 to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh," the history says.

"The aim was to bring to power a government which would reach an equitable oil settlement, enabling Iran to become economically sound and financially solvent, and which would vigorously prosecute the dangerously strong Communist Party."

Within days agency officials identified a high-ranking officer, Gen. Fazlollah Zahedi, as the man to spearhead a coup. Their plan called for the shah to play a leading role.

"A shah-General Zahedi combination, supported by C.I.A. local assets and financial backing, would have a good chance of overthrowing Mossadegh," officials wrote, "particularly if this combination should be able to get the largest mobs in the streets and if a sizable portion of the Tehran garrison refused to carry out Mossadegh's orders."

But according to the history, planners had doubts about whether the shah could carry out such a bold operation.

His family had seized Iran's throne just 32 years earlier, when his powerful father led a coup of his own. But the young shah, agency officials wrote, was "by nature a creature of indecision, beset by formless doubts and fears," often at odds with his family, including Princess Ashraf, his "forceful and scheming twin sister."

Also, the shah had what the C.I.A. termed a "pathological fear" of British intrigues, a potential obstacle to a joint operation.

In May 1953 the agency sent Dr. Wilber to Cyprus to meet Norman Darbyshire, chief of the Iran branch of British intelligence, to make initial coup plans. Assuaging the fears of the shah was high on their agenda; a document from the meeting said he was to be persuaded that the United States and Britain "consider the oil question secondary."

The conversation at the meeting turned to a touchy subject, the identity of key agents inside Iran. The British said they had recruited two brothers named Rashidian. The Americans, the secret history discloses, did not trust the British and lied about the identity of their best "assets" inside Iran.

C.I.A. officials were divided over whether the plan drawn up in Cyprus could work. The Tehran station warned headquarters that the "the shah would not act decisively against Mossadegh." And it said General Zahedi, the man picked to lead the coup, "appeared lacking in drive, energy and concrete plans."

Despite the doubts, the agency's Tehran station began disseminating "gray propaganda," passing out anti-Mossadegh cartoons in the streets and planting unflattering articles in the local press.

Continue reading rest of it here
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-chapter1.html
 

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Honorable people prefer to die resisting and fighting their oppressors than to live on their knees until being dispensed the coup-the-grace by corporate enslavement,
Yes, you should tell the Iranians eating out of bins and asking family abroad to send basic medicine, that they still have their "honour" :tup:
 

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Yes, you should tell the Iranians eating out of bins and asking family abroad to send basic medicine, that they still have their "honour" :tup:
The lowly interjection is of similar caliber as the antics of a pimp trying to deride the concept of honor in hopes of enticing poverty-stricken women into prostitution. Properly disgusting.

You should ask your leaders in Tel Aviv to cease pressuring the US regime into sanctioning anyone who refuses to submit to their illegitimate injunctions, if you really cared. Go shed your crocodile tears elsewhere.

Targetting civilians through sanctions is one of the filthiest measures possible short of outright carpet bombing or genocide but then again, what to expect from a bunch of power hungry, obsessed zionist maniacs lacking any form of morals who shrug off the mass murder of 500,000 children under sanctions as being "worth it":


And by the way, Iran produces something like 90% or more of its needed medication, the rest will follow sooner or later.

If one wanted to watch people eating out of bins, one would be not be looking at Iran but at Isra"el" or at zionist-occupied America with its millions of homeless and food stamp-users, the richest country on earth where a tiny handful of bloodsucking thieves concentrate an abnormally indecent proportion of the nation's wealth in their pockets.


This guy is obsessed with Jews and Zionists. I bet he sees them under his bed too.
Not half as much as your perma-banned returnee buddy "TrenchBroom" is obsessed with Muslim and Iranians.

Yeah, we both know who is the one getting a kick out of putting his mind into a hallucinatory state.
 
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Your account was created recently. If you know he is perma banned then the chances are that your original account was also perma banned.
 
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