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TheSnakeEatingMarkhur

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Can you provide me any link to that exercise, I tried to find any report but still no luck
A few days ago watched a video of DCS game made by GrimReaper (i think!?) USN Fleet AC getting destroyed by a swarm of older silkworm missiles.
So yeah i think swarms of anti ship missiles will definitely put the AC out of action
 

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1 PAF has plan to equip 1 missile with two drop tanks also. although it will reduce the free will to fire at target because only one missile will be available but it may provide some extra range to jet. Moreover if really needed then jets may compromise their fuel and go beyond the combat range IF an IFR is promise in mid way while they are returning.

2 We need to add the range of C802 and CM400 as well. If we assume it as ~200KM for both missiles then PAF jets will release them while remaining 100KM+ away at least.

3 P3 Orions could also provide a long range attack with Harpoons but they will definitely need some air cover to mitigate the interception risk. But note that due to the much longer range/loiter time of P3Cs, PN could use them from unexpected sides of Indian Carriers while using PAF jets from the shortest available distances. These jets could provide air cover, decoy, or added attack layer.

4 PN/PAF Naval arm needs longer range jets to counter this threat ultimately. I am not sure how much J10 could help(If inducted and used in naval role.)

5 EEZ has also increased the area of responsibility for PAF and PN so an artificial island for PAF and PN Defense and Offense (similar to Chinese ) could also help PAF. Although its expensive to make and maintain but concerning the future CPEC trade and its benefits, this could be a feasible option..
In my opinion the primary objective of PN and PAF in support of Naval Operation is to clear our whole EEZ till its extended range which is equivalent to 350 nm or +650 km for this range PN and PAF are capable enough to conduct Naval Operations.

If they successed to force India deploy its Naval assets at leat 1000 km from the coast of Pakistan then this thing alone would be considered as Half of the success for our forces and Pakistan in Naval Domain.

My reply to Sparten was related to a scenario in which PN and PAF would have to go well beyond 650 km range let suppose around 1,000 km or beyond.
so an artificial island for PAF and PN Defense and Offense (similar to Chinese ) could also help PAF.
Creation of artificial Island similar to China is not possible due to depth of Northern Indian Ocean
 

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sinking the indian warships or any warships out at sea is not that easy

it relies on very very top quality intel

we need surveillance and intelligence

Believe it or not its actually quite hard to track a carrier in the open ocean despite its size

and thats why Carrier Strikes Groups move at 30+ knots during combat operations

and again that might sound slow but its actually really fast for a moving air base in the sea

so 1st thing is tracking

2nd is deploying your attacking manoeuvre

and 3rd is getting the hit and also ensuring the sink

all 3 things need to line up exactly and it takes years and years of training and retraining to master this

in my personal opinion PN will use the ace card up the sleeve, the Submarine

they will use air assist as a decoy and slip a SSK In the mix and it will do the job

8 x SSK are coming and I am sure their duty during war is to hunt the Indian Carriers

I can just imagine PAF moves in to make the Indians defend and ensure the fighters are out, in the mix a Pakistani Submarine slipped by the indian Carrier defence and ensured a salvo of torpedos, Pakistan is always working on the art of deception and it probably will be a night mission
 

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Operating a Aircraft carrier Group is no small task. India has bought their first carrier from Russia and most likely have been trained by them on the carrier doctrine as well. But when was the last time Russia operated a air craft carrier or deployed one? India still has a long way to go before they can think about using a carrier in an offensive role.

We must remember one thing that USA is the only country so far which has vast experience in maintaining and operating carrier groups.
 

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At such distance the Air element from PN is completely missing, therefore Area denial strategy seem unidimensional, though it will get strengthen when Hypersonic Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile will be introduced but we should keep in mind its employment would require 24/7 ISR and satellite based real time tracking of IN ships this capability is "still" missing in PN as of now as per open source.
SIr,
not so long ago at time of emergency, certain RORSAT type services were provided by an ally from arabian sea to indian ocean which provided enough coverage to count 37 warships deployed at high seas by the enemy.

KRL Ghauri 1 & 2 SSM are unitary warhead missile system certain tweek in warhead design (baby-bottle) and updated guidance system will make any enemy ship in 500-1500km at risk.

why do we seen H6 or anything...its not like we are fighting US navy.

Indian naval ships of today can not stop Anti ship ballistic missiles.

For shorter range (Under 400km) i really love Hormuz 1 & 2.
sinking the indian warships or any warships out at sea is not that easy

it relies on very very top quality intel

we need surveillance and intelligence

Believe it or not its actually quite hard to track a carrier in the open ocean despite its size

and thats why Carrier Strikes Groups move at 30+ knots during combat operations

and again that might sound slow but its actually really fast for a moving air base in the sea

so 1st thing is tracking

2nd is deploying your attacking manoeuvre

and 3rd is getting the hit and also ensuring the sink

all 3 things need to line up exactly and it takes years and years of training and retraining to master this

in my personal opinion PN will use the ace card up the sleeve, the Submarine

they will use air assist as a decoy and slip a SSK In the mix and it will do the job

8 x SSK are coming and I am sure their duty during war is to hunt the Indian Carriers

I can just imagine PAF moves in to make the Indians defend and ensure the fighters are out, in the mix a Pakistani Submarine slipped by the indian Carrier defence and ensured a salvo of torpedos, Pakistan is always working on the art of deception and it probably will be a night mission
RORSAT type Services.
 

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Salvos of DF-17 and DF-100 missiles with cyber/ew warfare maybe able to get through to knock out enough of the ships to make them combat ineffective. Remember, in the Falklands war, the sinking of the General Belgrano scared/forced the rest of the Argentine Fleet back to port.
 
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Salvos of DF-17 and DF-100 missiles with cyber/ew warfare maybe able to get through to knock out enough of the ships to make them combat ineffective. Remember, in the Falklands war, the sinking of the General Belgrano scared/forced the rest of the Argentine Fleet back to port.
We dont need DF-17 / DF-100, Alh we have a very credible BM base.
 

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We dont need DF-17 / DF-100, Alh we have a very credible BM base.
Perhaps just similar warheads on top of our own ballistic missiles. We don’t need to take out their fleet thousands of kilometers, but within 500-1000 km of our coast, should the need arise, should be sufficient.
 

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Perhaps just similar warheads on top of our own ballistic missiles. We don’t need to take out their fleet thousands of kilometers, but within 500-1000 km of our coast, should the need arise, should be sufficient.
Why not?
You neutralize a threat, as far away as possible. If it is a threat, it has to go, you dont wait for it to get close to you.

When it's war, you take it out, even if it is sitting in the Andaman Nicobar Islands. That is how you tell the enemy you mean business.
 

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Why not?
You neutralize a threat, as far away as possible. If it is a threat, it has to go, you dont wait for it to get close to you.

When it's war, you take it out, even if it is sitting in the Andaman Nicobar Islands. That is how you tell the enemy you mean business.
Its not that I disagree, I guess it all comes down to the strategy the PN chooses and what kind of force posture works for what they are trying to achieve. (Many shorter range missiles to achieve a great chance of sinking the target or a few longer range missiles to be more of a deterrent)

The only concern would be a long range missile strike could convey the wrong signal (a nuclear strike).

But I’m totally in agreement with you. Should the need arise, the PN should have the capability to hit them wherever needed and damn what signal that conveys, as long as it conveys the seriousness of the Pakistani resolve and neutralizes the threat.
 

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On the lighter side we should deploy pigeon squads with remote c4 attached its basically blitzkrieg.
 

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PN and PAF currently have full capability to deal with IN ACs. The point is why these stealth boats are carrying 700km range AntiShip (Harbah) missiles. Note 700km is the official range, the actual figure could be more. these Fast attack craft will launch surprise attacks as they have no long-range radar or sensors of their own (Type-360 radar Max. range 250km). Missiles would be launched based on the data provided from MPA aircraft or from Awacs, and with sea-skimming capability IN ships will detect them at close ranges, giving them a short time to defend.
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