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How PAF Prevented an Israeli Attack on Pakistan's Nuclear Assets

Discussion in 'Pakistan Air Force' started by S_O_C_O_M, Nov 18, 2012.

  1. Last Hope

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    That is absolutely true! I know the person's name but cannot recall, will post when I do.

    Plus, all the scientists working on the nuclear program were tried to be bought out by the United States. One such incident happened in early days of May 1998 (I believe), during the hot and tensed period, that one person presented himself to the American Embassy claiming to be working for KRL. They made him a passport, got him the Visa and flight overnight! It latter turned out to be false news, he was just an engineer who made use of the opportunity to move to USA.
     
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    But i guess the "Mela Angreez " can never be contained.
     
  3. Syama Ayas

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    Show me one statement of Indian leaders threatening strategic strikes after Mumbai blasts
     
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  4. Strigon

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    Such statements are usually not made public but intelligence reports did suggest that India was planning to take out 'training camps' and a few 'leaders' of groups it has its eyes on in Pakistan with surgical strikes. Its almost the same issue one with Israel- Pakistan being discussed right now. No open statements but plan and intent was there, balls just dropped off.
     
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    These F-16's were without weapons. The story has it that there was a fear that some pilot may go rogue and destroy the C-130 by firing on it. The purpose behind this was to ensure that the equipment made it safe. If the C-130 was to change routes, then the pilots were ordered to smash their plane into C-130's engines and eject.
    Then there were fighter pilots told to use their Radars and visuals as the ground control could've been jammed with Israeli F-16's electronic suite or duplicate erroneous communication may have been established. So the pilots were instructed to use their own radar and their visuals around the sites. Due to this, a PAF F-16 belonging to a different squadron was perceived as a threat as it modified its flight path just a little and cause panic, resulting in half a dozen F-16 to be re-routed towards Chaghai.
     
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    In other words you have no proof, :lol:

    More like bravado statements with no factual backing, . :laugh:

    Here is an example of balls just dropped off.

    Scenesetter For Special Envoy Holbrooke
     
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    Israel's obsession wasn't with India or Pakistan...it was with the 'Islamic Bomb'. And to some degree, they have a right to feel that way. If Iran or others issue daily statements saying Israel should be 'wiped' out of the map....what would you do??
    If India made these statements towards Pakistan....what would be the reaction to that and vis-a-vis.....so that's that.

    However, Israel has come to terms with the Pakistanis in a way that both the nations know that they are not enemies and a threat to each other. I think that's good progress. Now the same needs to happen between India and Pakistan and they should create an economic block. I think all negativity aside on this thread. But let's take the resolution that 2015 shouldn't be a year of tensions between the Indians and the Pakistanis. People here on this SITE can take that initiative and spread it. How long will this drama, tit for tat really last?
     
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    Just like I said before, these statements and actions are kept secret for some reason. Its already being discussed in the thread if you pay attention but then again denial where its convenient has almost become a hobby for Indians. :)

    Fighting Taliban is one thing, fighting India means nuclear war. Not many troops needed for that, besides its India's aggression and capability of hitting Pakistan and getting away with it being reviewed not the other way round. Plus to sum it all up, one intelligent person in this thread later on said maximum benefit of Indo-Pak war is to China. Your leaders also know this. :)
     
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    May be in the 1980's Pakistan didn't have the capability to strike Dimona. I am not sure even now Pakistani missiles can reach there without being shot down--it is a long distance.

    However, it is true that Pakistan's nukes have been in some countries' target for a long time. Perhaps as early as 1974 when ZAB actively started Pakistan's nuclear program--Kissinger's warning to ZAB about 'horrible example' is just one obvious memory. I have been a subscriber to Time Magazine. The primary reason I started the subscription was to go through the archives--they go back to 1923! Upon random readings of archives it is apparent that Pakistani nukes were a grave concern even during the 80's Afghan War and there were articles/worries about how to prevent Israel from launching an attack against Pakistani nuclear facilities. And why not?! To the West (read: America+Israel) Pakistan is part of the 'Greater Middle East' and is part of the USCENTCOM responsibility--even though Pakistan is geographically a South Asian nation. And Pakistanis crossed a red-line when ZAB actively backed Arabs in the 1973 war.
    I wouldn't blame Israel for what they would try to do to the Pakistani nukes. By the admission of Dr. Qadir Khan Pakistani top planners wanted to arm Iran with nukes. However, for India to get involved with Israel will have long lasting damage for the sub-continent. Not only Pakistani missiles have multiplied greatly in numbers but they have much longer reach than in the 80's and are far more powerful than the 80s' ones. India will be pushed back decades in an all out war with Pakistan. Yes, I know Pakistan will pay a heavy price. But that should not be a consolation to India. Chinese will be all too happy in this scenario.
     
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    Some time ago, RAW passed the intelligence to government that 3 pakistani terrorists about to stuck again. Security intensified, Your Police were on red alert. Later these 3 Pakistani's were found out to be small traders in a computer center in Lahore.

    It's how intelligence business works, You got a lead, but sometimes due to urgency you decided not to look deep in to it and decides take precautionary measures first and then investigate further.

    But the Indians attitude in this thread is totally pathetic and their obsession with "conspiracy theory" is very much.

    If PAF went all in in the month of May 1998, than it clearly showed that whatever intel they got was enough to make them crazy That's how intel business works, if you don't know than stop commenting in this thread!
     
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    Not really. The extent of these conspiracy theories that have vast social acceptance showing a martial Pakistani military is absolutely unprecedented and unlikely in most nations.

    While there are takers of conspiracy theories in India, the volume of them gaining social acceptance is ridiculously low. And its not for any kind of seal put on the mouths of people from gossiping.

    As a nation it is much to do with the fact that Pakistan is an underachiever in all endeavours - from military victories to world technology and then wishing fiercely to constantly equal and better any match of India. This need(not a desire) to better India risen out of the trauma of partition - affecting India equally i may add. Failure is thus not accepted and an alternate reality is spun around hiding failures and creating glories.

    The second reason is that Pakistan has always self-styled/imagined itself as the defender/fortress of Islam. Anything less than glory belies that claim. Pakistan's desire to be more Islamic than the Caliph. Thus the need to present such. And when the opportunity presents, its a zionist waiting to take down an Islamic Pakistan but the military prevented it.

    Third, since its the military directly or indirectly running Pakistan, their need to show themselves as superior is a must as their credibility/capability and the need of such a big apparatus must be justified in front of people. Why the people must willingly suffer yet happily give more to the military. Thus control over Pakistan depends on it. They must show that the people made the right choice by giving them resources, that they have 'prevented' many things from happening.
     
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    Hey, as long as it works! :D
     
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    maray bhai all ac come with IFF, it is not like this is 1916 where u have to identify an ac visually.
     
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    I understand..I appreciate your sensible response....I feel that India and its people are slowly evolving into a mindset where they are coming in terms with good relation with Pakistan...Pakistan should really give a due credit to its political forces that they are really able to achieve one kind of stability in the foreign policy wrt to India in last 5 year....Beleive me ...todays generaton of India and Pakistan understand the necessity to have trade and economy with each other keeping aside enmity between us....Being friendly with each other is a necessity than luxury....so hardly any of the nut politician can stop it...
     
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    Manyof them play great game against Pakistan....