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Taimur Khurram

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That may have been how it was supposed to work, but how can the Maharaj give india territory he did not have? India was at a tremendous disadvantage going into the war. If you view JaK as entirely India's in august 15, than you could say India lost the war before it even sent its army. The fact is, the Maharaj only acceded when Srinagar was on the verge of being taken. It must have been extremely humiliating for an arrogant king like him to accede to India, which he had been avoiding. The point is India captured the majority of a formerly independent country disputed between India and Pak but had never belonged to either. You still have not answered my question about territory India lost that had been under the tricolor on august 15 47.

As for Kargil, the reason the military retreated was because once Tiger Hill was captured, the rest would fall. You are forgetting that Pak did not occupy 5353 until after the war when India began occupying the surrounding peaks. India still has the strategic edge in that region though. And it is definitely in your interest to take Siachen, as it would allow you to control the Indus, the lifeline of your nation. Not to mention Siachen is the highest point that allows us to view Chinese and Pak positions. The fact is if Pak had the strategic edge, they would have tried to take back territory they had lost in 1971 whenever tensions grew, such as in 2002.

Anyway, it looks like we are reading different things. I still do not think you understand my argument, So I am not sure it is fruitful to keep up this debate. It was still a nice discussion though.
Disadvantage? Are you joking? You outnumbered us several times over.

Dates don't matter, Mr Singh clearly wanted to join Hindustan after he had reduced his Muslim population so the transition would be smooth and without hiccups. Unfortunately for him, Muslims are not a "turn thy cheek" type of people.

It didn't fall, despite Hindustan's repeated attempts we control Point 5353 among other peaks that even your army admits gives us complete control over the area.

No it wouldn't, the source of the Indus is in Tibet, and there are plenty of other places in Kashmir that you could theoretically block off to dehydrate us (but you won't do that because it would result in a nuclear holocaust for both of us).

The Siachen is useless as per most analysts, the conflict over it has literally been called "two bald men fighting over a comb". I suggest you read further into it.

Again, you kept very little land taken in 1971 after the Simla agreement, and we also kept land from 1971 after the Simla agreement, e.g Chamb sector.

Nice talking to you too.
 

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Is this question about how many wars Pakistan has won against India? How many they have fought? Can't conclude any thing from thread.
 

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what does it mean?
He says when Pakistan started losing badly, Islamic prophet Muhammad helped them.

Lose Translation: "Mumtaz Mufti has written a book Labbaik based on his Hajj pilgrimage years back. He writes, that when 1965 war happened, the protector of Medina al Munawara dreamt that Islamic prophet Muhammad along with the soldiers who fought the Battle of Badr were going to Pakistan to protect it. Mumtaz further explains the soldiers appeared through a spiritual(roohani) dimension and fought that even captured Indian soldiers admitted that they could fight Pakistan army but not the ones on horses with shiny swords. These spiritual talks have been published in newspaper and every elder knows about the incident."

Since you were curious :D
 

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He says when Pakistan started losing badly, Islamic prophet Muhammad helped them.

Lose Translation: "Mumtaz Mufti has written a book Labbaik based on his Hajj pilgrimage years back. He writes, that when 1965 war happened, the protector of Medina al Munawara dreamt that Islamic prophet Muhammad along with the soldiers who fought the Battle of Badr were going to Pakistan to protect it. Mumtaz further explains the soldiers appeared through a spiritual(roohani) dimension and fought that even captured Indian soldiers admitted that they could fight Pakistan army but not the ones on horses with shiny swords. These spiritual talks have been published in newspaper and every elder knows about the incident."

Since you were curious :D
was he ever convicted for drug use?
 

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He says when Pakistan started losing badly, Islamic prophet Muhammad helped them.

Lose Translation: "Mumtaz Mufti has written a book Labbaik based on his Hajj pilgrimage years back. He writes, that when 1965 war happened, the protector of Medina al Munawara dreamt that Islamic prophet Muhammad along with the soldiers who fought the Battle of Badr were going to Pakistan to protect it. Mumtaz further explains the soldiers appeared through a spiritual(roohani) dimension and fought that even captured Indian soldiers admitted that they could fight Pakistan army but not the ones on horses with shiny swords. These spiritual talks have been published in newspaper and every elder knows about the incident."

Since you were curious :D
Very loose. You are talking about angels appearing on the battlefield.
 

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Disadvantage? Are you joking? You outnumbered us several times over.

Dates don't matter, Mr Singh clearly wanted to join Hindustan after he had reduced his Muslim population so the transition would be smooth and without hiccups. Unfortunately for him, Muslims are not a "turn thy cheek" type of people.

It didn't fall, despite Hindustan's repeated attempts we control Point 5353 among other peaks that even your army admits gives us complete control over the area.

No it wouldn't, the source of the Indus is in Tibet, and there are plenty of other places in Kashmir that you could theoretically block off to dehydrate us (but you won't do that because it would result in a nuclear holocaust for both of us).

The Siachen is useless as per most analysts, the conflict over it has literally been called "two bald men fighting over a comb". I suggest you read further into it.

Again, you kept very little land taken in 1971 after the Simla agreement, and we also kept land from 1971 after the Simla agreement, e.g Chamb sector.

Nice talking to you too.
Back then our millirtary was small and disorganized. It was not until post 65 that India made a serious effort to modernize its military. Remember Nehru was a idealistic pacifist who thought India only needed police and no military. And you know what Gandhi thought about war. My point was when India entered the war Pakistan had already taken AJk and GB, and you know the defender has the advantage. Which is why its impressive that India was able to capture Srinagar, and secure the majority of Kashmir and Jammu as well as the entirety of Ladakh.

I already explained, Singh was an arrogant leader who did not want to accede to India. THink about it this way, accession would mean giving up his throne, why would he want that? I told you he was a typical arrogant South Asian Maharaj who thought he could deal with the insurgency completely by himself. And I also admit his arrogance would cause both of us problems down the line.

As for Kargil, I thought I made it clear that India's positions on peaks surrounding 5353 such as 5310 negates its strategic importance, which is why India conducts operations in the Drass Sector and Siachen highway unhindered, since it has the advantage in the area. Hell, The Indian army feels so secure it even allows tourists to visit the captured Kargil peaks. And I though I explained 5353 and the others were not occupied during Kargil, but after, and 5353 was only occupied because India occupied the surrounding peaks. I will admit, the Paksitan Army launched a pretty good operation to secure 5353 for itself, but it was still too little too late. BTW, 5353 is not even in the Kargil sector, but drass. The tallest most significant peak in Kargil is TIger Hill, which we captured.
Anyway, one last question. Do you think it was worth losing hundreds of men when all you have to show for it is one relatively insignificant peak? Especially when the stated objective was not meant. Remember India suffered fewer casualties than Pakistan, at least according to CIA estimates.

Anyway, I should be adding another post to my north Indian civilization thread today. so stay tuned for that. Cheers.
 

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Back then our millirtary was small and disorganized. It was not until post 65 that India made a serious effort to modernize its military. Remember Nehru was a idealistic pacifist who thought India only needed police and no military. And you know what Gandhi thought about war. My point was when India entered the war Pakistan had already taken AJk and GB, and you know the defender has the advantage. Which is why its impressive that India was able to capture Srinagar, and secure the majority of Kashmir and Jammu as well as the entirety of Ladakh.

I already explained, Singh was an arrogant leader who did not want to accede to India. THink about it this way, accession would mean giving up his throne, why would he want that? I told you he was a typical arrogant South Asian Maharaj who thought he could deal with the insurgency completely by himself. And I also admit his arrogance would cause both of us problems down the line.

As for Kargil, I thought I made it clear that India's positions on peaks surrounding 5353 such as 5310 negates its strategic importance, which is why India conducts operations in the Drass Sector and Siachen highway unhindered, since it has the advantage in the area. Hell, The Indian army feels so secure it even allows tourists to visit the captured Kargil peaks. And I though I explained 5353 and the others were not occupied during Kargil, but after, and 5353 was only occupied because India occupied the surrounding peaks. I will admit, the Paksitan Army launched a pretty good operation to secure 5353 for itself, but it was still too little too late. BTW, 5353 is not even in the Kargil sector, but drass. The tallest most significant peak in Kargil is TIger Hill, which we captured.
Anyway, one last question. Do you think it was worth losing hundreds of men when all you have to show for it is one relatively insignificant peak? Especially when the stated objective was not meant. Remember India suffered fewer casualties than Pakistan, at least according to CIA estimates.

Anyway, I should be adding another post to my north Indian civilization thread today. so stay tuned for that. Cheers.
As you said, this is pointless to talk about any further since neither of us will change our stance.

I'll definitely stay tuned for your thread.
 

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The info in this whole thread is wrong Pakistan has fought way too many wars than stated here.

1947 Kashmir
1950 Afghanistan
1960 Afghanistan
1965 India
1967 Israel
1971 Bengal
1974 Cyprus
1989 Soviet union
1995 Bosnia
1999 Kargil
2001 Afghanistan
2006 USA
2014 India
2017 USA India Israel
2018 corruption

I might have missed a few wars but will update them soon
Apart from all these major victories of Pakistan.

Well you forgot the Indian sponsored defeat of Tamils in Srilanka when Pak Army, Airforce supported Srilankan Sinhalases Govt to defeat 25 year LTTE war.

Also add War on Terror 2001 -2018. SWAT, Buner, FATA.

Also add the Commandos and Pak intelligence agents fighting against the
NATO & ISAF forces in Afghanistan since 2001 till now and beating them down under Afghan Taliban umberalla.
 

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Apart from all these major victories of Pakistan.

Well you forgot the Indian sponsored defeat of Tamils in Srilanka when Pak Army, Airforce supported Srilankan Sinhalases Govt to defeat 25 year LTTE war.

Also add War on Terror 2001 -2018. SWAT, Buner, FATA.

Also add the Commandos and Pak intelligence agents fighting against the
NATO & ISAF forces in Afghanistan since 2001 till now and beating them down under Afghan Taliban umberalla.
PA may have drawn in most wars with India, but ISI has defeated RAW hands down. :triniti:
 

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PA may have drawn in most wars with India, but ISI has defeated RAW hands down. :triniti:
Than how do you explain Bangladesh? Its a well known fact RAW trained Mukthi Bahini. Siachen was also an operation organized by RAW that was successful. The only time ISI outsmarted RAW was kargil, and even PAk lost all the peaks they occupied.

BTW, the only reason the Sril Lankan ARmy defeated LTTE was because of Indian support.
 

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