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How LETHAL is PAF J-10C Vigorous Dragon? The Game Changer for Pakistan Air Force...by Sqn Ldr (R) Fahad Masood, a former PAF mirage specialist.

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Supercrusing J-10 powered by the WS-15 would probably be better for the PAF; smaller plane/lower RCS, potentially similar range, and more maneuverable.

As per a brochure by AVIC J-10C with existing power source is capable of pseudo-supercruise, which I take to be maintaining supersonic speed with military thrust after it has gone supersonic with after burner. However, there is scant detail on whether this can be achieved with external load.
 

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As per a brochure by AVIC J-10C with existing power source is capable of pseudo-supercruise, which I take to be maintaining supersonic speed with military thrust after it has gone supersonic with after burner. However, there is scant detail on whether this can be achieved with external load.
Hence the need for a more powerful engine and some small design changes. An effort the PAF should get behind. Higher sustained speed will probably mean, if there is an engagement, the plane will probably be high and fast and be able to impart that energy to a missile it is firing, giving it some extra range.

Furthermore, for long range naval patrols, the J-10 would then be able to better come to the aid of surface ships or deal with Enemy MPA patrolling in a sector where a possible PN sub is operating.

The J-10 developed to the point it match’s all the capabilities of the Eurocanards, and then adds some more of its own.
 

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Hence the need for a more powerful engine and some small design changes. An effort the PAF should get behind. Higher sustained speed will probably mean, if there is an engagement, the plane will probably be high and fast and be able to impart that energy to a missile it is firing, giving it some extra range.

Furthermore, for long range naval patrols, the J-10 would then be able to better come to the aid of surface ships or deal with Enemy MPA patrolling in a sector where a possible PN sub is operating.

The J-10 developed to the point it match’s all the capabilities of the Eurocanards, and then adds some more of its own.
Propulsion as a whole involves the inlet. We must slow down supersonic shockwaves that enter the inlet and jet engines do not like ingesting anything supersonic. Next is the airframe. Most airframes are designed to withstand stresses from speed and acceleration within certain flight regime. But now you are making the airframe handle stress from supersonic speed longer in duration than they were originally designed. Might as well design a new airplane.
 

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Hence the need for a more powerful engine and some small design changes. An effort the PAF should get behind. Higher sustained speed will probably mean, if there is an engagement, the plane will probably be high and fast and be able to impart that energy to a missile it is firing, giving it some extra range.

Furthermore, for long range naval patrols, the J-10 would then be able to better come to the aid of surface ships or deal with Enemy MPA patrolling in a sector where a possible PN sub is operating.

The J-10 developed to the point it match’s all the capabilities of the Eurocanards, and then adds some more of its own.
Hi,

Cheaper to invest in a better missile than changing the aircraft's structure.

I doubt that there is a higher benefit of a higher sustained speed than where the speed capability is now while looking at the cost factor.
 

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Just chiming in a bit about PL-15 that PAF is using. We are aware the PL-15E has a range of 145km, but that's the export model shown at Zhuhai airshow. Pakistan generally utilizes the same models as PLAAF with slight modifications, rather than the dumbed down export versions. During the Kargil Conflict, PAF had the option to directly pull from PLAAF inventory should it needed additional planes. That's not just some friendly gesture, but indications that PAF pilots were already well familiar with operating Chinese planes and weapon systems. Without some degree of interoperability, pilots can't jump into a random plane and expect to perform in combat.

Going by that bit of tradition, Pakistan is likely using China's domestic version of PL-15 with over 180km range.
Circumstantial evidence. We are guessing in the absence of concrete information out there.

aggressors will stay with F16 variants in CCS. J10 wont unless we get J10D/E/F of future....the least no in CCS for any a/c type is 6.

BTW 16/16+ sqn strength isnt hard n fast rule for high end a/c. Point still stands. Another example, check the strength of Nauman Akram Shaheed's f16 sqn.

And J10 is a HIGH END FIGHTER! its now the PAF's high end and best fighter, F16 is dethroned.

haha u might want to follow the PAF affiliated twitter public accounts to truly gauge the mood in PAF abt j10c and her impact on PAF's psyche. For whom F16 used to be the hallmark of excellence before 2020 shaheen exe when PLAAF allowed for the first time unrestricted use in these exe. For the first time PAF SAW what truly is a 4.5++ is, and how the real n true 5th gen technology that it carries of J20 are! That a/c backed up by unrestricted PLAAF jammer/EW aircrafts, Their latest AWACS that they brought for these exe. etc Had really raped PAF no matter what they threw at them they had an answer for it. They truly made PAF felt helpless and beaten them constantly as if u tide a person then starting yr barrage of laatain mukkay on him. As much as helpless he feels, thats how helpless PAF felt infront of them. And According to windjammer, these exercises almost gave somebody in PAF high command a heart attack back in december 2020. Now thats whats happening amongst the regular PAF pilots too specially amongst F16 sqns.


My God man! i still cant forgive myself of how wrong i was abt the analysis of @MastanKhan all these years. And whatever Mastan Sahab used to say, is now proving right one by one. He and @Khafee both were right abt J10C.

Now this fact is coming on the surface right in public view.
Do you think folks behind psf are PAF affiliated? Oh boy!
 

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Hi,

Cheaper to invest in a better missile than changing the aircraft's structure.

I doubt that there is a higher benefit of a higher sustained speed than where the speed capability is now while looking at the cost factor.
Considering the Aim-260A should be operational by 2030, there is probably a similar ranged Chinese missile in development. Perhaps higher sustained speed is not as beneficial, but I had assumed the J-10 could benefit from being able to hold heavier payload, and independently carry Anti-ship missiles as well as BVR and WVR missiles while still being able to maneuver to protect itself.

To your earlier point of a naval fighter to carry 2 x 1000 kg Anti-Ship missiles, perhaps just equipping some J-10 with the AShCM or AShBM and other J-10s providing cover with Air to Air missiles. Better mission planning and using multiple aircraft is probably a better and safe approach.
 

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