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How India has lost 40% of its land and how it is the best opportunity for Pakistan

letsrock

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Pakistan has consistently deluded itself about India weakness and this post is yet another example: India’s various insurgencies will lead to India’s collapse. Or so some Pakistani think.

The fact of the matter is these insurgencies — many which have been waging for decades — are more a nuisance than a threat. Despite these insurgencies, India’s economy has thrived. One can make the argument, as India’s economy improves, the appeal of these insurgencies will wane. Most of the groups follow a Marxist/Maoist ideology not even China follows anymore.

Pakistanis should let go of delusions that a) they are iron brothers of China and b) China is interested in some crazy Pakistani scheme for a joint attack on India. Pakistan is not an equal partner with China, but a subordinate — and junior — partner. China has a holistic view of its relations with India and realizes that war is out of the question.
And indians consistently delude themselves that they are "thriving" when anyone can see they are despised than ever before. Its one of the poorest countries in the world and its oppressive occupation of kashmir and many other nationalities in south asia is the single largest reason of poverty in the world.
 

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because a chance is all we have at this point. if its war that will achieve the goal it needs to be done right not like gibraltar/grandslam or kargil.

we have to wait for that moment when the support mounting for india is at its weakest, not when india itself is at its weakest. one can say that kargil failed solely because of bill clinton's pressure on pakistan (which is a partial truth but one can still say it).

let's say pakistan achieves a miracle and takes the entirety of kashmir over night. is the battle over? no lol the US+EU will release resolutions after resolutions prompting pakistan to yield and withdraw. after that the sanctions will hit and pakistan will have no choice but to withdraw china or no china
Pakistan has to bleed India to make sure Covid19 recession becomes a depression in the Indo China cold war.

By calling India's bluff of limited war, Pakistan can ensure a healthy check on India in the coming decade.

Nobody here talks of overnight victories. Even Indian war machine calculates with 7 years of sustained militancy if it moves to capture Pakistan proper territories(read GB as province).
 

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Pakistan has to bleed India to make sure Covid19 recession becomes a depression in the Indo China cold war.

By calling India's bluff of limited war, Pakistan can ensure a healthy check on India in the coming decade.

Nobody here talks of overnight victories. Even Indian war machine calculates with 7 years of sustained militancy if it moves to capture Pakistan proper territories(read GB as province).
how does any of this matter? it doesn't eliminate the fact that india will benefit from the just about every venue of support from the world powers if pakistan even hints on an aggressive stance on the kashmir issue
 

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how does any of this matter? it doesn't eliminate the fact that india will benefit from the just about every venue of support from the world powers if pakistan even hints on an aggressive stance on the kashmir issue
Pakistan's benefits outweigh Indian benefits in current scenario of any spectrum of warfare.

A dying elephant can be slaughtered or sold as one may see fit for most gains.

A walkover scenario is only possible in dreams and poetry.
 

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Pakistanis are running out of water so they cannot play your waiting game.

Then pakis need to weigh both problems and decide if military action is worth it (which isn't worth it at all - it will make the existing problem much worse).
 

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Then pakis need to weigh both problems and decide if military action is worth it (which isn't worth it at all - it will make the existing problem much worse).
with or without your condescending tone, they will make their choice when numbers add up for it. some now some later some in between
 

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What he said indeed carries rational weight, proved with point thru reliable, neutral sources. India is indeed now a falling wall. And it seems, very soon that the falling wall will collapse after the Joint attack of Powerful Iron-Brothers Pak-China. He snatched away the veil of deception from India's face. He snatched away the veil of deception from the face of India. India itself is so vulnerable and is on the verge of splitting into so many states. But India is still unnecessarily barking over Pakistan to spread illusion about the unity and integrity of Pakistan. Is it prudent? It must concentrate on its own so many internal problems.

China and Pakistan can attack India. they cannot predict the response of USA,

For starters keep in mind Pompeo and Espers are visiting India.
Disclaimer: I do not know if it is true. It is unusual for Secretary of Defense & Secretary of State to be visiting a country close to the election
 

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Maoist insurgency is at its weakest in its history, it's not matter of if but when they will be wiped off. I believe only 30 districts (down from 100 or so) are now categorized as Naxal infested. They are running for their lives in jungles and mountains forget about threatening India. For people who are day dreaming - If only wishes were horses, beggars would fly.
 
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the moment pakistan takes the roll as the aggressor is the moment when the kashmir cause will be lost permanently.

any major move with pakistan being the aggressor will be a catastrophic mistake on the world stage. western countries will firmly back india in such a scenario in fact any remaining sympathy left among neutral parties or historical allies of pakistan for the kashmir cause will be gone as well.

thankfully more rational people than your average shortsighted pakis are in charge and they know better
What have the neutral parties done other than be silent on the Kashmir fiasco? Clearly India is the aggressor with daily attacks on Pakistan's borders in the north , terrorism in the north and south and brutal occupation of IOK. Pakistan must do what it needs to do and not dance to the tunes of others. We need to plan for a long and sustained action along the Eastern front but be mindful of the West too. Only thing Pakistan needs to be wary of is the influx of millions of refugees from India and what the end game is to be. Starting a war is easy but ending it could be difficult. Also without the war training and preparations for the population the public opinion may well change in the course of the war as the destruction and casualties rise.

Unless there is a catastrophic collapse of the Indian Army, which is highly unlikely, it's not going to be walk in the park with or without China. However, looking at the state of the Indian army and the performance of their elite forces in Ladakh a rout and humiliation of Indian forces is possible.

If the Indian economy declines further and civil strife mushrooms the disintegration of the Indian state is possible with a little military external input.
 

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the moment pakistan takes the roll as the aggressor is the moment when the kashmir cause will be lost permanently.

any major move with pakistan being the aggressor will be a catastrophic mistake on the world stage. western countries will firmly back india in such a scenario in fact any remaining sympathy left among neutral parties or historical allies of pakistan for the kashmir cause will be gone as well.

thankfully more rational people than your average shortsighted pakis are in charge and they know better
Sounds like 1999, or speaking from experience.
 

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