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Just an excuse to not sell F35s to UAE.
UAE peace deal with Israel will also make people realize that making peace with Israel isn't going to help in long term.
Israel is very committed for its plan of greater Israel and they wont compromise on this. UAE may get F35s but it won't be used against Israel.
They'll probably receive them but watered down versions of the fighter and limited weapons capability. The U.S. has a stated goal to always have Israel keep the technological and strategic edge in the Middle East and that will never erode.
 

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What stupid basis .Firstly we dont have pilots trained for F35 war fare and who will train them US ? As previously we had F16 pilots trained already and UAE were late to induct these so it make sense .Only scenario can be if our PAF pilots will be given Nationalities to get trained .I mean seriously UAE has experienced pilots and Air force our role will be advisory
 

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Totally bull crap. PAF was never allowed anywhere near the desert falcons. Why would they be allowed near F35s. The premise is wrong so the article isbased on unfounded information. The thread should be closed.
 

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How China & Pakistan Could Lay Hands On US’ Most Advanced Fighter Jet – The F-35s?



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The F-35s are one of the most sought-after fighter jets in the world especially due to the stealth technology that it employs. The F-35s are 5th generation jets, using advanced stealth with fighter speed and agility, fully fused sensor information, network-enabled operations, and advanced sustainment.



The UAE has shown keen interest to acquire these fifth-generation stealth jets, however, Israel has objected to the possible sale despite the historical agreement between Israel and the UAE.

Emirati minister has asked Israel to ‘remove hurdles’ for the country to procure these stealth fighters from the U.S. Israel is currently the only country in the Middle East to operate the F-35s and the only nation globally to have first used it in combat.

In an online interview, Emirati Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash said, “We have legitimate requests that are there. We ought to get them … The whole idea of a state of belligerency or war with Israel no longer exists”.

The United States earlier inked deals for its F-35 fighter jet with many key allies including the UK, Australia, and Japan but Israel is the only nation in the Middle-East to have it.

“The UAE expects that its requirements will be accepted and we feel that with the signing of this peace treaty in the coming weeks or months … that any hurdle towards this should no longer be there,” Gargash said.



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that his country would oppose any sale of weapons in the region which would threaten its military superiority in the Middle East.

Truax Field selected to receive F-35 Joint Strike Fighter


An industry official did confirm to Reuters that the US is indeed hopeful of the F-35 sale to the gulf country. The Pentagon’s undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment told Reuters that Washington aims to reach a letter of agreement for the new F-35 sales in about six months.

Upon the question, President Trump said, “They’d like to buy F-35s, we’ll see what happens, it’s under review” in a press conference.

The United States provides Israel with superior military equipment than Arab states, which provides Israel a “qualitative military edge” in the region.

However, Israel’s position remains adamant, even if it does not speak overtly. “Israel must never forget, not even for a split second, that any dent in its strength is liable to pull the rug out from under its feet in the long term,” said Amos Gilead, director of the Institute for Policy and Strategy at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center. “Intentions are fluid and vulnerable to rapid changes”, he remarked.

Can Pakistan, China Lay Hands On F-35 Jets?
The UAE has the most advanced military in the Arab world while Qatar and Saudi Arabia are aggressively catching up in terms of the capacity of their forces and their domestic defense industries – both areas where Pakistan plays a critical role.



Pakistanis have been known to provide training to Middle-East armed forces including the UAE and Saudi Arabia and thousands of their defense personnel have served and are presently serving in their uniforms.

“So there is a very intimate relationship already that goes beyond any relationship … with western countries”, Andreas Krieg said who is a professor at the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom’s Joint Command and Staff College. “There is a dependency on Pakistan anyway.”



Defense ties between Pakistan and the UAE have traditionally been very strong. The Pakistan Army is known to provide training to UAE commando as well as all armed and artillery corps officers.

Pakistani personnel also hold influential positions as advisers and trainers in the UAE Air Force (UAEAF). The UAEAF has even been termed by a prominent Pakistani author as an extension of the Pakistan Air Force.



According to a study, the first Chief of Air Staff of the UAE, appointed by Sheikh Zayed, was Air Commodore Ayaz Ahmed Khan, followed by Ghulam Haider, Jamal A. Khan and Feroz A. Khan, all of whom were Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officers.

Overall, the report declares that the first five Chiefs of Air Staff of the UAE Air Force were Pakistanis. The succeeding commanders were native officers, although group captain ranked officers of the Pakistan Air Force continued serving as Deputy Chief of Air Staff.



Experts talking to the EurAsian Times, who did not wish to be identified, stated that even though UAE is one of the staunchest allies of India, the influence of Pakistani defense personnel in Gulf nations remains extremely high.

If the UAE gets F-35s, it could be Pakistani pilots who could be flying these stealth jets, and a lot of sensitive information can get passed to Pakistan and eventually to China. Thus Israel is, and should staunchly object to the sale of F-35s to the UAE
 

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Pakistan never got access to Block 60's. F-35's are a far cry. Also, UAEAF doesnt let contractual or foreign pilots fly the Block 60. It is restricted to Emirati's only.
 

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Come on guys, let's not make telling fortunes our career :-)
I read the news hence shared it .....it's no different to the earlier topic of some C-130 J coming to Pakistan.
 

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By the way, it was lame by the propaganda sources to deny F-35 for UAE with such a reason. They could do it with plausible explanation and on other hand, wants UAE to totally cut ties or even send back if there's a single Pakistani serving in UAE.
 

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AMERICAS
How China & Pakistan Could Lay Hands On US’ Most Advanced Fighter Jet – The F-35s?



Published
19 hours ago
on
August 23, 2020
By
EurAsian Times Des



The F-35s are one of the most sought-after fighter jets in the world especially due to the stealth technology that it employs. The F-35s are 5th generation jets, using advanced stealth with fighter speed and agility, fully fused sensor information, network-enabled operations, and advanced sustainment.



The UAE has shown keen interest to acquire these fifth-generation stealth jets, however, Israel has objected to the possible sale despite the historical agreement between Israel and the UAE.

Emirati minister has asked Israel to ‘remove hurdles’ for the country to procure these stealth fighters from the U.S. Israel is currently the only country in the Middle East to operate the F-35s and the only nation globally to have first used it in combat.

In an online interview, Emirati Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash said, “We have legitimate requests that are there. We ought to get them … The whole idea of a state of belligerency or war with Israel no longer exists”.

The United States earlier inked deals for its F-35 fighter jet with many key allies including the UK, Australia, and Japan but Israel is the only nation in the Middle-East to have it.

“The UAE expects that its requirements will be accepted and we feel that with the signing of this peace treaty in the coming weeks or months … that any hurdle towards this should no longer be there,” Gargash said.



Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has stated that his country would oppose any sale of weapons in the region which would threaten its military superiority in the Middle East.

Truax Field selected to receive F-35 Joint Strike Fighter


An industry official did confirm to Reuters that the US is indeed hopeful of the F-35 sale to the gulf country. The Pentagon’s undersecretary of defense for acquisition and sustainment told Reuters that Washington aims to reach a letter of agreement for the new F-35 sales in about six months.

Upon the question, President Trump said, “They’d like to buy F-35s, we’ll see what happens, it’s under review” in a press conference.

The United States provides Israel with superior military equipment than Arab states, which provides Israel a “qualitative military edge” in the region.

However, Israel’s position remains adamant, even if it does not speak overtly. “Israel must never forget, not even for a split second, that any dent in its strength is liable to pull the rug out from under its feet in the long term,” said Amos Gilead, director of the Institute for Policy and Strategy at the Herzliya Interdisciplinary Center. “Intentions are fluid and vulnerable to rapid changes”, he remarked.

Can Pakistan, China Lay Hands On F-35 Jets?
The UAE has the most advanced military in the Arab world while Qatar and Saudi Arabia are aggressively catching up in terms of the capacity of their forces and their domestic defense industries – both areas where Pakistan plays a critical role.



Pakistanis have been known to provide training to Middle-East armed forces including the UAE and Saudi Arabia and thousands of their defense personnel have served and are presently serving in their uniforms.

“So there is a very intimate relationship already that goes beyond any relationship … with western countries”, Andreas Krieg said who is a professor at the Defence Academy of the United Kingdom’s Joint Command and Staff College. “There is a dependency on Pakistan anyway.”



Defense ties between Pakistan and the UAE have traditionally been very strong. The Pakistan Army is known to provide training to UAE commando as well as all armed and artillery corps officers.

Pakistani personnel also hold influential positions as advisers and trainers in the UAE Air Force (UAEAF). The UAEAF has even been termed by a prominent Pakistani author as an extension of the Pakistan Air Force.



According to a study, the first Chief of Air Staff of the UAE, appointed by Sheikh Zayed, was Air Commodore Ayaz Ahmed Khan, followed by Ghulam Haider, Jamal A. Khan and Feroz A. Khan, all of whom were Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officers.

Overall, the report declares that the first five Chiefs of Air Staff of the UAE Air Force were Pakistanis. The succeeding commanders were native officers, although group captain ranked officers of the Pakistan Air Force continued serving as Deputy Chief of Air Staff.



Experts talking to the EurAsian Times, who did not wish to be identified, stated that even though UAE is one of the staunchest allies of India, the influence of Pakistani defense personnel in Gulf nations remains extremely high.

If the UAE gets F-35s, it could be Pakistani pilots who could be flying these stealth jets, and a lot of sensitive information can get passed to Pakistan and eventually to China. Thus Israel is, and should staunchly object to the sale of F-35s to the UAE
If Pakistan could not get to fly the F-16 Block 60s and Mirage 2000-9s as instructors with UAE, then what theory would be valid to have them get a hand on F-35s if it were to ever enter UAE service. Even if Turkey got F-35s, they would bar off access to foreign pilots.
 

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I dont know if I should call this article childish or stupid. Either way, PAF will not get access to the new jet like this. The plane will come with restrictions if at all. This is a latest piece of tech from USA. The only way to get the tech is through espionage.

Unlike F-16, F-35 does have 'kill switch'. The software updates will be through Lockheed Martin servers. So if on a given day US does not want them to fly, it can potentially block the aircraft operations.

In case of Israel, this might not be applicable as Israel is an extention of American imperialism in Middle East. But other countries should not be so happy about this technology as upstart like UAE will eventually realize.
It won't block the aircraft operations, but it would limit to what updates it has had. The login codes are local instead of the OEM when operating the aircraft, those are handed over to the customer.

The same applicability applies to Israel, hence they went out of the way to have their own embedded systems, just like their F-16I program
 

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Come on guys, let's not make telling fortunes our career :-)
I read the news hence shared it .....it's no different to the earlier topic of some C-130 J coming to Pakistan.
Yes but please next time or the coming times, have a look and see if the article is worthy of sharing.

The C-130Js are being looked at very seriously lately.

Cheers !!!
 

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It is just a posturing and heated air.

already f-35 was long ago compromised by chinese.
 

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To be realistic if Congress were to approve of such a Sale, there would be conditions other than the :pleasantry:Watered Down:pleasantry: versions. The End-User Agreement would probably be the size of a novel which would most certainly require a new off-limits base.

Now, the UAE could easily build one state-of the-art base in a manner of months in the middle of nowhere which would only cater F-35's. Highly possible. It would also (probably) host Lockheed Martin and...The Company.

But since Lockheed Martin isn't pumping out F-35's like soda cans, you can expect a lot of homework be done prior to their much anticipated arrival 4 to 5.
 

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