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How can Pakistan counter India’s ABM system?

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    India hasn't disclosed such abilities yet. But here are some examples of how iran, North Korea etc used GPS jammers and anti jamming guidance development by USA -

    bit(.)ly/2zcskcX

    North korean GPS jammer -

    bbc(.)in/2iueKaG
     
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    First abm r still unreliable even half of us ABM test failed that's without deploying counter measure from agressor missile so Indian ABM won't be a big issue and USA is thousands of km away from any hostile nuclear power but we r next door so kl chain won't be able to process before the missiles reach target in most cases and yes Pak is upgrading it's capabilities :)
     
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    You are just taking things in linear manner. After 1990s, there has been a massive change in supercomputing. Things have grown faster by tens of thousands of times. Calculations have fastened up so much that the rate of interception and seeker quality is bound to go up several folds. The 50% failure of US was prior to 2000 when the supercomputing started saturating. After 2000, interception rate has increased well.

    Just look at iron dome of Israel. It intercepts 95% of the rockets with a single hit kill. It even calculates the path of the rocket and intercepts only those that are likely to fall on populated areas. This is because the missiles of Iron dome are much more expensive compared to the rockets.

    Iron dome may sound simple to you, but considering that the rockets can fly a maximum for 15-20 seconds, at speed of 300m/s or mach 0.9. It has to be intercepted within first 7-8 seconds or less of flight before it crosses the iron dome barrier. So, Iron dome is capable of intercepting it in such short duration of time. This is what makes Iron dome significant in terms if interception technology.
     
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    Irondome is used to intercept subsonic home made rocket made of plumber pipes and sill USA ABM have success rate around 60% and there ABM develp budget is around 70 billions that's more than. Entire Indian defense budget and again u don't have American geographic advantage :)
     
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    The first link isn't working. The second link had this to say
    "Four years ago, pilots on more than 300 commercial flights detected interference with their systems. Planes have back-ups, though, so no disaster happened."

    They couldn't even successfully jam commercial GPS let alone military GPS signals. Thus far no damage has happened other than making it a bit inconvenient for these jets and other commercial GPS users.

    Additionally u have again provided me with other country's examples...and I know u r again gonna come back with the excuse that u can't provide me with India's jamming capabilities bcuz those haven't been disclosed.

    So ur whole argument about how a nuke war would happen between India/Pak rests on hypotheticals...

    Well if we r gonna do hypotheticals then by that reasoning...
    Pak has this secret anti jamming capability that hasn't been revealed yet...it would nullify India's Jamming capability...

    Quit ur fantasies and come back to the real world. If u r going to analyze something then take into account cold hard facts...nothing else.
     
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    See, there is a jamming technology and it is cheap. There is anti jamming technology too, but requires military grade signals from satellites. I don't know if India has either of them, but the ease with which they are made makes me believe that every single country, both India and Pakistan has or capable of having jamming technology. About anti-jamming signals, India has military grade satellite signals. Hence it is likely that India has them too. While pakistan doesn't have satellites and hence incapable of having them.
     
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    well since u r talking hypotheticals here then hypothetically Pak can have access to China's military version of Beidou system...

    If China can help Pakistan with its nuclear program(an actual weapon of mass destruction) then giving access to a positioning system isn't that far fetched.

    Like I said analyzing a situation in hypotheticals gets u nowhere bcuz for every one hypothetical Indian capability one can argue a hypothetical counter from Pak and vice versa.

    Feel free to debate with me when u have something concrete. I have no interest in debating hypotheticals.
     
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    :hitwall::crazy::blah::cuckoo:

    I just explained the various stages. Some of this was practiced in USA civilian drills for nuclear eventuality and nuclear warhead stoppage. All these are real life techniques used.
     
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    Both Iraq and Libya possessed GPS jamming and spoofing equipment. Need I say more? These tools can be useful in certain situations but their effectiveness is utterly questionable in a war-like scenario, particularly against military-grade assets with relevant safeguards and alternative sources of guidance.

    PAC-3 system have 100% intercept record in the battlefield (or very close). THAAD is not battle-tested yet but it has performed remarkably in various tests; same with MEADS, SM-2, SM-3 and SM-6. GMD is also maturing in its role over time and not only has the capability to intercept ICBM class targets in the outer space but distinguish them from decoys at present.

    Progress is remarkable in this spectrum of defense.
     
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    Exactly my point. Military grade signals need military grade satellites to give them. These signals are wideband, need high power and are encrypted to avoid others from accessing it or hacking into it. Does Pakistan have satellites? That is the point I wanted to convey.

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    A nuclear expert from Moscow says despite heavy investments in developing anti-ballistic missile systems, India may not be able to fully defend itself in a conflict from strikes by Pakistani missiles.

    “Even in 10 years and with the huge budgets that India plans to spend on the development of nuclear weapons and capabilities, it is difficult to imagine it will be able to defend its territory from possible strikes from Pakistan in case of conflict,” said Petr Topychkanov, a senior researcher at the Carnegie Moscow Centre’s Non-Proliferation Programme.
    Talking about ‘Non-Proliferation and Strategic Stability in South Asia: A Russian Perspective’ at the Strategic Vision Institute (SIV) which is an Islamabad-based think tank specialising in nuclear issues, Mr Topychkanov said that despite large-scale cooperation between India and Israel for the development of a ballistic missile defence system and Indian efforts for acquiring S-400 defence systems from Russia, “India is very far from developing any system that could effectively defend itself from a Pakistani missile
     
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    No country in the world can defend against all ballistic missiles. If that was possible, then USA would not be shouting at Iranian missile development. USA can defend only a few ballistic missiles mainly due to radars on pacific ocean which very few countries can make. USA is isolated from other countries and hence the long distance over which the ballistic missile has to travel and USA islands in pacific makes it slightly more easier for USA to intercept missiles.

    For normal countries without vast oceans isolating them, it is difficult to defend against ballistic missiles. Even USA will not be able to defend missile from Cuba or Mexico for that matter.

    S400 is primarily a SAM, not BMD. So, S400 is not enough either. India is only trying to augment air defence as much as it can. The idea is to completely deny cruise missiles and aircrafts while partially defending against ballistic missiles