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How can Egypt counter the F35i?

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  1. Frogman

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    Reports like that are always made by inexperienced journalists or journalists that are intentionally seeking to undermine the Armed Forces. The Egyptian Air Defence does not rely on one radar, it has a multi-layered system, including AWACs such
    as the E2C Hawkeye 2000 and EC-130H Compass Call flying 24 hours. The forces also routinely tests its own systems by
    simulating violations, i.e F-16s or other aircraft are ordered to fly without informing the Air Defence command.

    The Israelis have not intentionally violated Egyptian airspace since we were at war, when they struck Sudan they used international airspace and according to Sudan's Defence Minister they could not intercept the aircraft as their Mig-29s
    did not have night fighting capabilities.
     
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    Good input. Expand on this please. Does this include any missile defense systems?
     
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    Give me a day or two and I will list radar types, frequencies, bands and any other relevant information and how it pertains countering the F-35
     
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    A single F-35 costs around $85 million a unit. To counter IDFAF and neutralize its threat the Egyptians would have to field F-35's or similar 5th generation aircraft in large numbers plus assortment of compatible weapons, including standoff munitions. Not only would they be spending billions to just procure the Aircraft but also billions more on maintenance and spare parts, ground crew/pilot training and protective bunkers/shelters for these aircraft to prevent sabotage or destruction from enemy surgical and precision missile strikes etc.

    For that amount of money and investment they could field hundreds of Ballistic Missiles, Cruise Missiles, and a effective air defence network.

    Even the latest and most advanced BM's could cost you significantly less than a single F-35 (or similar class aircraft) to procure or produce on your own.
     
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    Read about the 1973 Arab-Israeli war from the Egyptian view, you will see that Russian equipments are as efficient as the men who serve them. They have humiliated Usrael with all the backing it had from its uncle Sam.

    What do you do when you are facing barbaric ideals that threaten your existence? Prophet Mohammad SAWS tried that and most of his early followers were slaughtered, so he got word from God to fight.
     
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    israel f35 are not a threat to egypt if you catch my drift lol…
    they are allies
     
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    They were originaly designed to counter the US F-16s and F-15s, so they must be very potent and reliable fighters
    The ones Egypt will get will most probably have AESA radars and BVR capabilities based on the Mig-35 if not the Mig-35 itself.
    I would have liked to see some SU-35s too.
     
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    By the users of the weapons own omissions, the Russian weaponry used in 1973 and before was simply terrible, and they were outclassed by everything Israel had in its arsenal. The inferiority of the Mig-21 in comparison with the French Israeli jets was startling. This is one thing many people don't get about the 1973 conflict, the disparity in armament was huge, however, the Egyptian side was still able to make important tactical gains.

    If there is a significant shift in a nations military capabilities all neighbouring nations would try to counteract that by improving their own abilities even if they are allies. This is a realist observation of how arms races tend to happen in regions or between nations. Although, I doubt you are a reader of Thomas Hobbes' work.
     
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    Here is the answer:
    J-31
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    And it is or export.
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    It is alsoo going to be ready in 2 to 3 years.
    So next thread should be what Usrael can do to counter the Egyptian J-31, since they might have at least a 5 year gap before the induction of the F-35 in Usrali forces.

    ... and extremely dangerous; since there are no counter-measures against it, and it can carry N-warheads. It scares NATO itself!
    Egypt should get some solid air defences (mobile) in the 3 layers of ranges.
    Missiles and ballistic missiles in quality and quantity.
     
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    Corrected for accuracy. :tup:
     
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    Remember though all of these missile defense systems would be needed in the Sinai desert. Which is flat desert.
     
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    I do not want to drag the topic much my personal views are Egypt have learned the lesson it will never go to War against Israel/US interests. So it will all be peace between the two in the first place and cooperation will continue, it is all drama the suspension of 20 F-16s you will see they'll receive it from US.

    Egypt's most equipment is US lil french and russian old SA-9 and local variants SAMs. Now we are discussing how can Egypt counter F-35i; I fail to understand what has ballistic missiles to do with it that are offensive land to land based missiles used to deliver payload as retaliation. To cut short no advance anti air guns can harm F-35s, point of F-35 is to hit without being detected or detected too late F-35 could use medium and long range cruise missiles and medium anti radiation missiles keeping away from harm way now lets discuss what medium and high altitude SAMs Egypt has or intend to procure in the near future and who is going to fund it in good Numbers...for foreseeable future Israel has upper hand in air combat, and counter attacks against Egypt against land based targets.
     
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    Arab military is as useless as Ethopian! GIve Egypt F-22s and they will lose it all on the first day of war because they like belly dancers :)
    S-300 S-400 with anti stealth radars are the best solution.
     
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    What if Israel use highly precision munitions and Anti-Radiation missiles against such Targets.
     
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    just because your mother is a billy dancer that doesnt make every one is