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The Super Hornet as a Stealth Killer?




That new crop of foreign stealth fighters that’s emerging; don’t worry, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet can handle ‘em. That’s the interesting pitch that Boeing’s man in Tokyo for fighters gave me earlier this month while discussing Japan’s F-X fighter contest. I suspect that’s Boeing’s main pitch for many of it’s potential fighter customers
Basically, the Super Hornet’s active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar — and it’s ability to jam enemy radars and electronic countermeasures — combined with the jet’s infrared search and track (IRST) system will allow it to compete with low-observable jets, said Phil Mills, director of Boeing’s F-X program in an interview just days before Boeing lost that contest to Lockheed Martin’s stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
(IRST systems have been around for decades, they use an infrared sensor to allow a pilot to ID and lock onto a target’s heat signature rather than radar signature.)
Here’s his pitch as to why the newest versions of the Super Hornet will be a viable competitor to the latest stealth jets:
IRST expands our frequency spectrum of sensor coverage so that it gives us much better counter-stealth capability than we had with just AESA.
AESA’s much better [than older radars] as far as detecting small targets. But, AESA plus IRST gives you the capability of not worrying about targets with low radar cross sections, so you can see those targets and actually establish a weapons-quality track without the radar. You can also cue that AESA, that has two and-a-half to three-times the detection range of the old radar anyway, and it can see further than that if you cue it to look at a very small piece of the sky.
The Super Hornet is a proven design, with some stealthiness built in, that can be continuously upgraded to survive in 21st Century aerial combat, added Mills.
The F/A-18E/F is an example of “where Boeing has been really successful, not doing clean-sheet developments so much, but evolving proven designs and integrating new technology and putting in new capabilities on more an evolutionary basis as opposed to a revolutionary, let’s do a clean sheet, like F-35, and go through all the development pains of a new start,” said Mills.
Now, the IRST as a stealth killer could have been Mills’ be a last ditch argument to sell the Super Hornet to Japan. Modern stealth jets are designed to mask their heat signatures. After all, 21st Century stealth isn’t just about being invisible to radar. Truly stealthy designs limit the amount of heat, electronic signals and even noise emitted by the aircraft in an attempt to make them undetectable.
I’d like to see what happens when one of the new IRST-equipped Block II Super Hornets goes up against an F-22 Raptor or F-35. Remember, a Navy EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet did score a fake kill against a Raptor a couple of years ago


Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz1i85Mr6j2
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The Super Hornet as a Stealth Killer?




That new crop of foreign stealth fighters that’s emerging; don’t worry, the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet can handle ‘em. That’s the interesting pitch that Boeing’s man in Tokyo for fighters gave me earlier this month while discussing Japan’s F-X fighter contest. I suspect that’s Boeing’s main pitch for many of it’s potential fighter customers
Basically, the Super Hornet’s active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar — and it’s ability to jam enemy radars and electronic countermeasures — combined with the jet’s infrared search and track (IRST) system will allow it to compete with low-observable jets, said Phil Mills, director of Boeing’s F-X program in an interview just days before Boeing lost that contest to Lockheed Martin’s stealthy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
(IRST systems have been around for decades, they use an infrared sensor to allow a pilot to ID and lock onto a target’s heat signature rather than radar signature.)
Here’s his pitch as to why the newest versions of the Super Hornet will be a viable competitor to the latest stealth jets:
IRST expands our frequency spectrum of sensor coverage so that it gives us much better counter-stealth capability than we had with just AESA.
AESA’s much better [than older radars] as far as detecting small targets. But, AESA plus IRST gives you the capability of not worrying about targets with low radar cross sections, so you can see those targets and actually establish a weapons-quality track without the radar. You can also cue that AESA, that has two and-a-half to three-times the detection range of the old radar anyway, and it can see further than that if you cue it to look at a very small piece of the sky.
The Super Hornet is a proven design, with some stealthiness built in, that can be continuously upgraded to survive in 21st Century aerial combat, added Mills.
The F/A-18E/F is an example of “where Boeing has been really successful, not doing clean-sheet developments so much, but evolving proven designs and integrating new technology and putting in new capabilities on more an evolutionary basis as opposed to a revolutionary, let’s do a clean sheet, like F-35, and go through all the development pains of a new start,” said Mills.
Now, the IRST as a stealth killer could have been Mills’ be a last ditch argument to sell the Super Hornet to Japan. Modern stealth jets are designed to mask their heat signatures. After all, 21st Century stealth isn’t just about being invisible to radar. Truly stealthy designs limit the amount of heat, electronic signals and even noise emitted by the aircraft in an attempt to make them undetectable.
I’d like to see what happens when one of the new IRST-equipped Block II Super Hornets goes up against an F-22 Raptor or F-35. Remember, a Navy EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet did score a fake kill against a Raptor a couple of years ago


Read more: http://defensetech.org/#ixzz1i85Mr6j2
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so that means we dont need stealth or boing is in a serious debt?
 

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Over what the Raptor? f35 I can believe but raptor is another level.
The Growler victory is mentioned in the above article, as for the F-16 scoring a kill against the F-22, read the following.
The 57th Adversary Tactics Group undertook some interesting tactics not contained in the overall [scripted] intelligence scenario. These involved surprise threats, generally Red Air [enemy] fighters, entering the air battle unexpectedly. White Force [exercise control] staff would confirm that the threat was Red and Blue Air [the “good guys”] had to react. The tactic worked. An F-16C pilot assigned to the 64th Aggressor Squadron gained the first-ever F-22 kill in Red Flag. [94th commander] Lt. Col. Dirk Smith told AFM: “At least half of the 94th FS crews had less than 50 hours in the F-22 and no matter how magical the F-22, any pilot can make a mistake. The beauty of Red Flag is that we were able to go out and practice our tactics in a challenging scenario, make a mistake, learn a lesson, and be that much better prepared for actual combat.
Full article: War Is Boring » First Ever F-22 Raptor “Shot Down” (Bumped and Updated)
 

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Bird Guru's a little hep please:

F-35 is going to be USAF's future plane,could you tell me how Raptor beats it and difference in levels between the Raptor and lightning?
 

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Here is another shocker, MB339CDs scored kills against the EF Typhoons. :cheesy:

Here's the full story:lol:

Actually, the 339s played a sort of aggressor role in a so-called “Bogey scenario” that was very dangerous for any interceptor; furthermore, the F-2000s were compelled by the ROE (Rules Of Engagement) to be “visual” with the CDs within 1 or 2 miles, and had not the immediate clearance to engage “hot”. Consequently, the “Macchini” had the opportunity to shoot one or two Fox 2s (IR-guided missiles, the AIM-9L Sidewinder) thanks to both the manouvrability of the MB.339 and to the fact that the F-2000 could not use the flares. Hence, the scenario that the Typhoon had to face was extremely demanding, especially since the F-2000s were also called to “manage” some F-16s at the same time. The pilots of the 61° Stormo honestly admitted that the F-2000s obtained so many kills on the MB.339s that there would have been not enough space on their fuselages to draw them all!:rofl:
ACMI « The Aviationist
 

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Bird Guru's a little hep please:

F-35 is going to be USAF's future plane,could you tell me how Raptor beats it and difference in levels between the Raptor and lightning?
Raptor has higher top speed, supercruise, better manoeuverability, tvc, longer range, higher payload, all-aspect stealth etc The Raptor is superior in every single way.

The US government considers the Raptor so important to national security that it will not risk allowing it to be exported to any country in case its classified secrets get unconvered and into the wrong hands. The F-35 on the other hand is getting exported to a number of countries.

F-35 is going to be the future workhorse, like what the F-16 is now, whereas F-22 is going to be the top end, like what the F-15 was.
 

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Raptor has higher top speed, supercruise, better manoeuverability, tvc, longer range, higher payload, all-aspect stealth etc The Raptor is superior in every single way.

The US government considers the Raptor so important to national security that it will not risk allowing it to be exported to any country in case its classified secrets get unconvered and into the wrong hands. The F-35 on the other hand is getting exported to a number of countries.
The avionics on the F-35 will eat those on the Raptor inside out. The countries getting the F-35 will NOT be getting the same avionics suite as that of USAF/USMC.

Anyway on the other aspects you are right. The F-35 is going to be the new F-16 of the USAF and the F-22 will have the role of the Eagle.
 

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The F-35 has some of the best avionics. The F-22's stealth characteristics are superior to that of the F-35. Put the F-35's avionics in the F-22, you have a god.

@topic: no worries, the Hornet still has a lot of spirit in it :D
 
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The avionics on the F-35 will eat those on the Raptor inside out. The countries getting the F-35 will NOT be getting the same avionics suite as that of USAF/USMC.

Anyway on the other aspects you are right. The F-35 is going to be the new F-16 of the USAF and the F-22 will have the role of the Eagle.
Do u mean the avionics in F 35 is better than in F 22??? !!!
The fact is we know very much less about F 22 than the details made public by US DoD !!
It may stil be superior in everything to F 35
 

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Japanese choose better plane
now i m waiting for south Korean f-x
in which pakfa is also present
 

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