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Hong Kong protests l Updates, News & Discussion

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  1. beijingwalker

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    Historically every country's fall happens due to internal chaos and that’s when millions die due to a bad move of the leaders who failed to see the consequences of their actions. But not every country's leaders can realize their mistakes and correct them in time.

    China didn't propose the extradition bill, that's Hong kong local government's bill.
     
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    I don't understand about this terrorist sanity.

    Others actually have a much bigger gun than them.

    Not only just a river of blood, but total annihilation.

    The only reason why others don't attack, is because they have sanity and compassion.


    This terrorist is an idiot or a smart devil?

    I just can't imagine they hide behind religion name.

    Everything is the opposite of religious teaching.

    One of the Dajjal?
     
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    They actually stole stuff from the Mall they were 'protesting' at.
     
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    Hong Kong protesters desecrate China flag & ransack Sha Tin shopping mall


     
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    Again very stupid policy by China which will again one day back fire

    There’s 30 million Ughars if 15 people were stabbed at train station does that mean China imprisons 1.5 million people ?

    That’s like English foot ball fans causing trouble in France and French detain whole population of London because 15 people did something bad?

    Next generation of Ughars will surely revenge this and China is only radicalising them further

    This is how USSR collapses Russia used to do this to its own citizens then in 1991 they all rioted
     
  6. Hamartia Antidote

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    Tear gas, petrol bombs and mass arrests in Hong Kong on 17th straight weekend of protests





     
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    China needs to step down otherwise all those decades of hard work of building their country is about to go down the drain

    China get your act together in HK and with Ughurs, both are not Chinese keep it under 1 country 2 systems why change it if it works
     
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    China didn't imprison over million of Uighurs, since it is impossible to maintain a prison camp of that size.

    Those are broken records keep being repeated by the western media.
     
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    HK police under fire: A lesson on how public trust in Singapore’s security forces can fade fast

    SINGAPORE — The backlash that the Hong Kong police are facing over its handling of ongoing protests in the city is an example of how trust in law enforcement officers can erode very quickly if not managed well, said Law and Home Affairs Minister K Shanmugam.

    He also warned that here in Singapore, even though surveys show that most people trusted its Home Team officers, this should not be taken for granted.

    Speaking on Monday (Sept 30) at an awards presentation ceremony for the Home Team officers, which include police, civil defence and immigration officers, Mr Shanmugam described the Hong Kong police as a “disciplined, highly professional” force and one of the best in Asia.

    Yet that reputation has disappeared in a matter of a “few weeks” and its relationship with the Hong Kong people has become “severely strained”.

    He attributed this shift in perception to the many different narratives propagated by the Hong Kong and international media, as well as social media platforms, which have their own agendas and bias — and these have been unfairly critical of the police, he said.

    He added: “Unfortunately, much of this is one-sided. Protesters are always put forward in a positive light — they are democracy fighters. The police are put forward in a negative light frequently. Bricks are thrown at them, they are attacked — these are not captured. Their responses are captured.

    “It has become a people-versus-police situation, and that’s very deliberate because what you see in the media is often women being identified as victims; old people against policemen in full gear.”

    Over the past 17 weeks, Hong Kong has been besieged by protests taking place mainly over the weekends. They started off as demonstrations against a now-withdrawn extradition bill, a law which would have allowed criminal suspects to be sent to mainland China for trial in courts controlled by the Communist Party.

    These demonstrations have since evolved to greater calls for democracy and freedom from China’s seemingly tighter control over the city.

    The Hong Kong police, which have been clashing with the protesters, have been accused of using disproportionate force when shooting tear gas and pepper spray against them and journalists.

    Mr Shanmugam said that the situation in Hong Kong has taught him three key lessons.

    First, only a government and its policies can solve political and socio-economic problems. These cannot be solved with agencies such as the police, which should be used only to solve tactical problems.

    “Those problems are strategic issues, housing issues, socio-economic issues. They cannot be dealt with as if they’re tactical issues like in the police over there (in Hong Kong) and… the protestors. You'll never solve the problems. The responsibility starts with the government to get the basic issues right in society,” he said.

    “If the politics is not right, then no amount of policing is going to help and the police cannot deal with it. If the fundamental issues are wrong, and 10,000 people go on the streets every day or every week, no police force, I think, can deal with it, including in Singapore.”

    The second lesson is that it is important to communicate that the government minister in charge has the primary responsibility of handling clashes between law enforcement officers and the public, Mr Shanmugam said.

    Referring to a ministerial statement he made in Parliament in 2016 — on the case of 14-year-old Benjamin Lim who committed suicide a day after he was questioned by the police for allegedly molesting a girl — Mr Shanmugam said the ministry should take responsibility for operational policies and ground officers are just acting in accordance with the protocols set in place.

    “And ultimately, responsibility for that is with me personally as the minister. It is not with the individual police officers,” he added.

    The police and the public have to know that this responsibility falls on the people right at the top. The government needs to communicate and explain what is happening and the reasons why ground officers are responding in a certain way.

    “(It is) not with the individual officers facing the public on the ground… Operationally, if they do something wrong, of course they will take responsibility,” Mr Shanmugam said.

    The third lesson is that situational updates are extremely important during protests to keep the public fully informed and in a timely way.

    The ability to disseminate videos and pictures to the ground is also important. “If you leave an information void, the public will turn to unverified sources and rumours. You will get misleading stuff, distorted information, falsehoods, and a picture will be painted,” Mr Shanmugam said.

    Read more at https://www.todayonline.com/singapo...rust-singapores-security-forces-can-fade-fast
     
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    Latest news, one injured with a police shooting. HK is full of chaos today.
     
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    Police shoot teen protester as Hong Kong violence escalates
    Hong Kong police fired tear gas and water cannon at petrol-bomb throwing protesters and shot a young demonstrator with a live round, as the city’s Chinese rulers celebrated the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic.


    Cat-and-mouse clashes spread from the upmarket district of Causeway Bay to the Admiralty area that is home to government offices on Hong Kong island, with police vans chasing down pro-democracy protesters in the key drag of Hennessy Road.

    Thousands of black-clad protesters, some wearing Guy Fawkes masks, marched on Admiralty, defying a police ban. Violence escalated across the harbor to Kowloon and beyond to the New Territories in the most widespread unrest in nearly four months.

    “There are rioting acts across Kowloon, Hong Kong island and the New Territories,” police said in a statement.

    An 18-year-old man was shot in the shoulder with a live round in the Tsuen Wan area, police said. They did not give more details. The South China Morning Post and television reports had earlier reported a protester was shot at close range in the chest.

    Video footage of a police officer firing at a protester at close range went viral, but its authenticity could not immediately be verified.

    Police said 31 people had been wounded across the territory on Tuesday, two critically, without giving details.

    Nearly four months of street clashes and demonstrations have plunged the former British colony into its biggest political crisis in decades and pose the most serious popular challenge to President Xi Jinping since he came to power.

    Protesters had vowed to seize the opportunity on China’s National Day to propel their calls for greater democracy onto the international stage, hijacking an occasion Beijing sees as an opportunity to showcase China’s economic and military progress.

    “I’m not young, but if we don’t march now, we’ll never have the chance to speak again, it’s as simple as that,” said one marcher near Causeway Bay, a 42-year-old woman with her own logistics company who identified herself as Li.

    CHINESE BUSINESSES TARGETED

    By the afternoon, police and protesters were involved in stand-offs across Hong Kong, with the streets littered with tear gas canisters and other debris. The violence spread after nightfall.

    Police fired water cannon and volley after volley of tear gas to disperse protesters throwing Molotov cocktails outside central government offices in the Admiralty area and ordered the evacuation of the Legislative Council building next door.

    Petrol bombs were also thrown at MTR metro stations, including at Causeway Bay and Admiralty. Many stations were closed to stop protesters moving around. Shutting stations has made them a common target for attack during the weeks of unrest.

    Tai Wai station, in the New Territories, was trashed, with a fire hose left turned on, flooding the tiled floors.

    Police said “rioters” had used corrosive fluid in Tuen Mun in the west of the New Territories, “injuring multiple police officers and reporters”. No details were immediately available.

    Chinese banks and Chinese-backed businesses were targeted with petrol bombs and anti-China graffiti. Local broadcaster RTHK said it was pulling all its reporters away from the violence after one was hit on the head.

    BIRTHDAY PARADE

    The territory has been tense for weeks, with protests often turning violent, as authorities tried to avoid activists spoiling Beijing’s birthday parade at a time when the central government is already grappling with a U.S.-China trade war and a slowing economy.

    Hundreds of officials and members of Hong Kong’s pro-establishment elite began the day with a flag-raising ceremony and National Day reception at the Convention and Exhibition Centre, held early and moved behind closed doors. Roads to the center were closed and tightly policed.

    Hong Kong had benefited from China’s support under the “one country, two systems” policy, Acting Chief Executive Matthew Cheung told the assembly, referring to guarantees of political freedoms after the city’s handover from British to Chinese rule in 1997.

    But he said escalating violence was disrupting social order and hurting the economy.

    The government of embattled leader Carrie Lam has already canceled an annual Oct. 1 fireworks display over the city’s Victoria Harbour, citing public safety.

    Lam, who was trapped in a stadium for hours last week after attending the “open dialogue”, left for Beijing on Monday to celebrate China’s birthday on the mainland. She will return on Tuesday.

    In contrast to events in Hong Kong, Beijing’s carefully choreographed anniversary festivities included troops marching through part of Tiananmen Square with new missiles and floats celebrating the country’s technological prowess.

    Lam was shown on television smiling as a float celebrating Hong Kong went past as she sat with Chinese officials.

    The Communist Party leadership is determined to project an image of national strength and unity in the face of challenges including Hong Kong’s unrest.

    “On our journey forward, we must uphold the principles of peaceful reunification and one country, two systems; maintain lasting prosperity and stability in Hong Kong and Macau ... and continue to strive for the motherland’s complete reunification,” Xi said in a nationally televised speech in Beijing.

    Hong Kong protesters are angry about what they see as creeping Chinese interference in the Asian financial center.

    China dismisses the accusation and has accused foreign governments, including the United States and Britain, of fanning anti-China sentiment.

    https://reut.rs/2o6UMsa
     
  12. Hamartia Antidote

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    Unfortunately...but they were throwing stuff (which I doubt was flowers)

    Hong Kong protester shot in chest during demonstrations on China's 70th anniversary
     
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    WTF....is that a webley revolver?
     
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    Conveniently forgetting that the protestors were ganging up and beating a cop resulting in his buddy coming up to rescue him from the mob. May be he should have been shot with that shotgun instead (although using live rounds like the revolver).


    In america the whole lot would be shot during a routine traffic stop if they even tried to step out of the vehicle.


     
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    If these HK protesters were doing what they have been doing in Downtown Manhattan for months, over 100 of them would've been killed by now. US cops don't **** around. If they even walked down the street with a mask and a stick, they'd be shot dead.

    These HK cops have been using kiddie gloves.
     
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