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  1. Rasengan

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    From my experience, the migration problem is the biggest issue residing in Hong Kong. They should've of put a more robust strict cap on migration.
     
  2. Mista

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    Instability in Hong Kong a problem for everyone, including Singapore: Shanmugam

    SINGAPORE - There is no profit in having instability in Hong Kong, said Law and Home Affairs Minister K. Shanmugam, adding that Singapore benefits from stability across the region, including the Chinese territory.

    Giving his take in a recent interview on the ongoing protests over a controversial extradition Bill, Mr Shanmugam said: "There is some superficial talk 'Oh you know, Singapore benefits'. I don't believe that. We benefit from stability across the region, including Hong Kong.

    "If China does well, Hong Kong does well, the region does well, we do well. There's no profit in seeing instability. And if Hong Kong is at odds with China, it's a problem for everyone, including us."

    Mr Shanmugam was making these remarks in an interview last week with Hong Kong broadsheet South China Morning Post and Chinese-language daily Lianhe Zaobao.

    Protests began four months ago, when Hong Kong's government mooted a controversial Bill - now suspended - that would allow the authorities to extradite people to countries it has no formal extradition agreements with, including mainland China.

    The protesters subsequently made five demands of Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam, including universal suffrage and the unconditional release of all arrested protesters.

    The initially peaceful demonstrations subsequently turned violent, with some protesters breaking into the Legislative Council building. Protesters have also blocked roads and disrupted the rail network, with hundreds of people joining a peaceful sit-in protest at the airport.

    Asked later if Singapore has seen increased interest among people to move assets or company headquarters from Hong Kong as a result of the protests, Mr Shanmugam said he does not see this happening in the short term.

    "Hong Kong has very deep strengths. Its financial system, its stock exchange, its valuable position as an outpost for China and the nearness to China are all incredible advantages that any investor will take into account and consider," he said, according to a transcript posted on the Ministry of Law's website on Sunday (Aug 11).

    "Unless people become pessimistic about China, I don't see immediate calculations being made by serious investors."

    He added perceptions may change if the situation remains unresolved for a long time, with serious consequences for Hong Kong. "But I think the depth of Hong Kong's strengths are such that we are not at that stage," he said.

    Mr Shanmugam said Singapore does not have the ability to weather a similar crisis, which would be bad for the country's economy.

    "Hong Kong has the huge advantage of China's support. Singapore has no one to support it," he added.

    Many Singaporeans consider themselves fortunate because the same things are not happening here, said Mr Shanmugam. "That is probably the significant majority of Singaporeans," he said.

    He added that Singaporeans do not necessarily think that Hong Kong is in deep trouble and that he would not agree that Hong Kong is in a mess now.

    "The general impression that Singaporeans would have is that we are glad this is not happening here, because we are different from Hong Kong. We are different from Hong Kong because we don't have the same advantages that Hong Kong has. Hong Kong can weather it. Singapore may not be able to weather it," said Mr Shanmugam.

    "I think that's the perception of Singaporeans, not so much of Hong Kong is in a mess. I won't agree that Hong Kong is in a mess."

    Mr Shanmugam also noted that the current situation in Hong Kong can be understood at several different levels.

    At the most basic level, there is a breakdown of law and order which any government will have to deal with, he said, highlighting incidents such as the airport sit-ins, vandalised police stations, and the disruption of train services.

    The Hong Kong government must also deal with underlying causes of the protests, one of which is meeting the material aspirations of young people.

    "I'm sure the Hong Kong government is aware of these aspirations and the issues, and will look for solutions. People's aspirations need to be met. Solutions need to be found. But, I will add, the solutions cannot be found if serious disruptions like these continue," he said.

    At the same time, some protesters appear to be taking an ideological stance, hoping to see changes in the structure of government, though Hong Kong is part of China.

    "Beijing will expect Hong Kong to adapt to the political structure that prevails in China. Adapt, not adopt," said Mr Shanmugam.

    "Some of the protesters seem to think that China will allow a very different system in Hong Kong. That is wishful thinking replacing reality."

    On how Chinese leaders will look at the ongoing development, Mr Shanmugam said his view, based on history, past events, and looking at their statements, is that they will say this is ultimately aimed at the Chinese Communist Party's rule in China.

    "Why do I say it? You sing the US (United States) National Anthem, you speak in Mandarin and tell the Chinese tourists to go back and take these ideas back to China.

    "The leaders could think Hong Kong is just the start, for something that some people want to hope to start in the rest of China," said Mr Shanmugam, adding that he is looking at the issue from the outside.

    Ideology aside, the facts are that China's system selects for a very competent government which has lifted more than 500 million people out of poverty over the last 35 years, he pointed out.

    "Not enough credit is given for that. It's a huge achievement. Could that have been achieved under any of the other system?" he said. "Is there a political system that can do better for the people of China, compared to the current system? Which one? Name one."

    Mr Shanmugam added: "Ideology is important. But it must square with reality."

    He was also asked if the best-case scenario is to maintain the "one country two systems" model as originally promised which offers Hong Kong autonomy for 50 years in all affairs except defence and foreign affairs.

    "That's what is under the treaty. I'm not an expert. If you ask me, 'one country two systems' requires a sensible approach. The current situation is challenging China, and I'm not sure Chinese leaders will or can accept that," said Mr Shanmugam.

    His personal view - and not that of the Singapore Government - is that he is worried for Hong Kong.

    "Because there's no easy way forward when people are in such entrenched positions. To go forward is going to need compromise and a clear approach that deals with the problem," he said, adding that these include both political and socio-economic issues.

    "And quite importantly, to solve problems, Hong Kong needs a supportive China, and the solutions need to work for both Hong Kong and China."

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singap...em-for-everyone-including-singapore-shanmugam
     
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  3. Viva_Viet

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    VN is gonna drill oil Inside CN nine dash lines claims, and those Cnese in mainland,HK,TW keep quacking loundly haha.

    Nice, keep quacking loudly and keep making a bigger chaos, we ( VN-Russia-JP) also having fun sucking oil in CN nine dash lines claim. Eveyone happy hehehe :cool:

    Let me remind u guys again, Joshua Wong's father is Vnese hehehe :cool:
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  4. Pepsi Cola

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    Thanks for the tip. Now I know why this piece of shit is such a traitor. Fake Chinese.
     
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  5. Hamartia Antidote

    Hamartia Antidote ELITE MEMBER

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    Protests enter 11th week


    SCMP



    Ruptly

    Careful the B*rg Collective is going to gang up on you and attack you from all sides.

    I forgot to fill you in on Rule #2

    1) the Israeli Zionists discovered the Americas and colonized it.
    2) Anybody who does not fall in line with the thoughts of the Collective is an ENEMY and will be assimilated by force or destroyed. Soon the name calling will commence.

    As for "white worship"...the Communist Manifesto was written by whom??
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    Who are the real "white worshippers" :coffee:
     
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  6. beijingwalker

    beijingwalker ELITE MEMBER

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    You can claim Xi is a Jew worshipper but he just say it to have legitimate right to rule. Very few Chinese are communists and among communist members very few truly believe Marxism. Politicians around the world don't truly believe what they say, China is no exception.
     
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    Singapore has stability becos they do not allow protest and illegal gathering. Hong Kong shall follow Singapore model and ban protest and not allowing gathering to get out of hands.
     
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    Germs anti-Islam law (i.e. anti burka), applied to HKer!!!

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    17 Aug 2019


    The Germany Police asked one Hongkonger to take off his mask when Hongkongers rally in support of Hongkong protest. Usually Hongkong protesters all wear black mask in Hongkong.





    https://twitter.com/Liam_Stone18/status/1162920649674805248




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    Viva_Viet is one of these.:victory::victory::victory:



    Poor Viva-Viet still slave of the Slavs!
    Open your eyes, your Russia colonial master is only treating you as a doormat!

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    http://web.archive.org/web/20190808...N/2019/08/07/AEN20190807007400315_02_i_P4.jpg ; https://archive.fo/jMJVq/e6eb7f1422bd2050ae59fe6bdf009e10b335ee6b.jpg
    1. Russian unmasked.

    :nono::mad::o:

    Same applies to the U.S. and Euro masters you worship!

    CCTV video of Indochinese treated as doormat by natives in European little Saigon!


    youtube.com/watch?v=xFlTP2KkdoY ; http://www.leparisien.fr/val-de-mar...a-la-videosurveillance-18-07-2019-8119500.php
    3. Ultraviolent aggression of an Asian Indochinese (L’agression ultraviolente d’une Asiatique résolue grâce à la vidéosurveillance). Published on Jul 18, 2019



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  10. Angry Easterling

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    you better worry about your own country lol. Trump has just accelerated the radical left. Das Kapital and Marxist theory are already components of North American schooling (From what I have observed - I kid you not). In a few decades even the US will give in to socialism.

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    Besides it'll be good for you folks. Working in a collective farm might reverse the american obesity problem.
     
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  11. lcloo

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    When the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, that is going to happen.

    Top 1% of Americans hold 20% of American wealth $4,116 Billion of 2018 GDP, or $1.37 million per person.

    9% of Americans hold 65% of American wealth. $13,377 Billion of 2018 GDP, or $450,000 per person.

    40% Americans hold around 13% of American wealth $2,675 Billion of 2018 GDP or $20,270 per person, and

    bottom 50% holds less than 2% of American wealth $412 Billion of 2018 GDP, $2,500 per person.
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  12. Mista

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    Singapore actually has protests, just that you need a permit and it's confined to an area.

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    I used to think he's paying lip service to strengthen his rule, but now I'm not too sure whether he truly leans towards Marxist ideals. I mean I don't remember previous leaders talking about 'purging ideological impurities in the party' or emphasizing Marxism as much as he do to strengthen their rule. He's shown to be far more ideological than Hu or Jiang for sure.

    https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/opin...ould-karl-marx-recognise-chinas-new-communism

     
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    Leave it to you to butt in Vietnam in every issue, how insecure you really are?

    And the age old time tested trope of Antisemitism raises its head again.
    Tell me how familiar you are with Marxism or the its ideology. Forget about the man Karl Marx? Your knowledge doesnt extend beyond quick google searches and media talking points. Soviet Union was antithesis to everything what Marx stood for.
     
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    What wrong wt u ?? Joshua wong's father is Vnese and all Vnese support Joshua to become the King of HK. Thats why we r on this thread .

    Stop showing how low ur IQ is when talking abt HK protest.

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    HK Activist Joshua Wong is Actually A Refugee from Vietnam

    Joshua Wong’s parents very likely were Vietcongs that invaded Kampuchea, after knowing they can never proceed to Thailand, they all run road to HK
    https://sgtalk.org/mybb/Thread-HK-Activist-Joshua-Wong-is-Actually-A-Refugee-from-Vietnam
     
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  15. macnurv

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    Do you understand english language? I doubt it. let me repeat, stop bringing Vietnam into every issue related with China. Go and make some sneakers that Chinese wont be making anymore you twit.
     
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