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Hindu Rashtra: Will Modi's Hindutva Lead to Multiple Partitions of India?

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India is a continent. If you add the GDP of all African countries it will be number 1 largest economy.
Has no meaning when the people are piss poor and drinking cow piss to survive.
He is talking about India and not Indian subcontinent. India's GDP in PPP is 4 times higher than that of Nominal GDP.
 

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He is talking about India and not Indian subcontinent. India's GDP in PPP is 4 times higher than that of Nominal GDP.
India is a continent. Even without Pakistan. It has more people than all of Africa. As I said nominal is more relevant to global economic might, let's not hide under ppp figures.
 

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India is a continent. Even without Pakistan. It has more people than all of Africa. As I said nominal is more relevant to global economic might, let's not hide under ppp figures.
Nominal is good for international trade comparison. For domestic consumption, ppp is the right measure. For example, you will not be able to survive in 2000 USD in US but you can live like a king with that amount in Pakistan with 300000 PKR to spend every month.
 

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Sheikh Alam, a Muslim leader of Mamta Banerjee's Trinamool Congress Party, has recently been quoted in the Indian media as saying: "We (Muslims) are 30% and they (Hindus) are 70% They will come to power with the support of the 70%, they should be ashamed. If our Muslim population moves to one side then we can create four new Pakistans. Where will 70% of the population go?"

Quaid-e-Azam's Demand For Pakistan:
TMC leader Sheikh Alam's words today are a reminder of the demand for Pakistan in 1940s. It arose from the majoritarian tyranny of the Hindu-dominated Indian National Congress after 1937 elections in India. Speaking in Lucknow in October 1937, Quaid-e-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah said the following:
"The present leadership of the Congress, especially during the last ten years, has been responsible for alienating the Musalmans of lndia more and more, by pursuing a policy which is exclusively Hindu; and since they have formed the Governments in six provinces where they are in a majority they have by their words, deeds, and programme shown more and more that the Musalmans cannot expect any justice or fair play at their hands. Whenever they are in majority and wherever it suited them, they refused to co-operate with the Muslim League Parties and demanded unconditional surrender and signing of their pledges."

Ex PM Manmohan Singh's Fears:
Former India Prime Minister Mr. Manmohan Singh's fears of India's disintegration are much more tangible now than ever before. In an interview on BBC's Hard Talk with Indian journalist Karan Thapar in 1999, Mr. Singh: "Great Nations like the Soviet Union have perished. If we continue to mis-manage our economy and continue to divide our country on the basis of religion, caste or other sectarian issues there is a danger of that sort of thing happening".
Today, the rise of Hindutva forces is tearing India apart along caste and religious lines as the country celebrates its Republic Day. Hindu mobs are lynching Muslims and Dalits. A Pew Research report confirms that the level of hostility against religious minorities in India is "very high", giving India a score of 9.5 on a scale from 0 to 10. Pakistan's score on this scale is 7 while Bangladesh's is 7.5.


Will India Break Up?

In a book entitled "The Raisina Model", British-Indian author Lord Meghnad Desai asks: "A country of many nations, will India break up?" The Hindu Nationalists who are blamed for deepening divisions are themselves divided on the key questions of caste, religion and trade. Professor Walter Anderson, co-author of "The RSS: The View to the Inside" raises the specter of "a battle between Hindutva and Hinduism".




The Raisina Model:

In "The Raisina Model", Lord Meghand Desai says that India's breakup can not be ruled out. Specifically, he points to three issues that could lead to it:

1. Cow protection squads are killing Muslims and jeopardizing their livelihoods. The current agitation about beef eating and gau raksha is in the Hindi belt just an excuse for attacking Muslims blatantly. As most slaughterhouses in UP are Muslim-owned, owners and employees of these places are prime targets.

2. India has still not fashioned a narrative about its nationhood which can satisfy all. The two rival narratives—secular and Hindu nation—are both centred in the Hindi belt extending to Gujarat and Maharashtra at the most. This area comprises 51% of the total population and around 45% of the Muslims in India.

3. India has avoided equal treatment of unequal units. Representation in the Rajya Sabha (Upper House of Parliament) is proportional to population size. If anything, it is the smaller states that may complain about being marginalized, though so far none has. The larger states thus dominate both Houses of Parliament. It would be difficult for small states to object, much less initiate reform. In future, small states could unite to present their case for better treatment. Except for Punjab and Nagaland, there has been no attempt to challenge the status quo.

Map of India(s) on the eve of British conquest in 1764



Hindutva vs Hinduism:

In "The RSS: The View to the Inside", the author Walter Anderson brings out several areas which could lead to a split within the Hindu Nationalists. These disagreements have to do with low caste Hindus, Muslims and foreign trade and investment policies.

1. The leadership of the the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) is drawn entirely from the upper caste Brahmins. The RSS founder Golwalkar never spoke against the caste system. The RSS opposes affirmative action, called reservations, to benefit low caste Hindus. At the same time, they want to integrate Dalits and OBCs (Other backward classes of which Prime Minister Modi is a member) into the organization to promote Hindu unity.

Anderson believes that it will be extremely difficult to reconcile Hindutva embrace of lower castes with the entrenched Hindu caste system. He says the following:

"..there will eventually be a battle between Hindutva and Hinduism. Hindutva emphasizes the oneness of Hindus, whereas ground realities are very different. Let me give an example. Following the egalitarian ideology, Tarun Vijay, an RSS ideologue and former editor of Panchjanya and Organiser, once led some Dalits into a temple in central India, where they had not been before. He was beaten up, but few in the RSS family vocally supported him. They kept mostly quiet. As one important RSS functionary put it to me, the key question is: how do we keep our organisation intact if we do move towards an egalitarian Hindu society?"

2. When RSS leader MD Deoras invited Indian Muslims to join the RSS, he argued that Muslims were mostly India-born, and therefore Indian. But he made the Muslim entry into the RSS conditional upon accepting India’s “historic culture”. RSS leaders argue that South Indian Muslims, or Indonesian Muslims are ideal Muslims. South Indian Muslims speak the regional languages; and Indonesia, a primarily Muslim country, has the Ramayana as its national epic.

3. Many RSS ideologues oppose Prime Minister Modi's policies of promoting foreign trade and investment. They view Modi's economic policies with great skepticism.


Summary:

Sheikh Alam's talk of carving "four Pakistans" out of India is a reminder of Quaid-e-Azam's words after 1937 elections during the British Raj. Dr. B.R. Ambedkar's fears of War on Indian Muslims are also becoming reality. Former India PM Manmohan Singh has warned: "Great Nations like the Soviet Union have perished. If we continue to mis-manage our economy and continue to divide our country on the basis of religion, caste or other sectarian issues there is a danger of that sort of thing happening". The rise of RSS and its affiliates in India is deepening divisions in the country along multiple fault lines, the most important being caste and religion. The RSS leadership itself is not unified on how to deal with the divisions they have created and promoted. This situation has raised the social hostilities in India to very high levels. Pew scores social hostilities against minorities in India at 9.5 on a scale from 0 to 10. Professor Walter Anderson, co-author of "The RSS: The View to the Inside" has raised the specter of "a battle between Hindutva and Hinduism". And it has caused Lord Meghnad Desai, author of The Raisina Model, to ask the question: Will India break up?

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The glue binding India is 'Bharat Mata', the infusion of geography with religion. The only thing I see undoing that is climate crisis.
 

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The glue binding India is 'Bharat Mata', the infusion of geography with religion. The only thing I see undoing that is climate crisis.
Western powers too believed that India will break up until 1998 , when India carried out nuclear blast. Now, They have stopped hopping against hope but the hopes of our Chinese and Pakistani friends is still alive. Let us see till what time are they able to sustain their hopes? I see more possibility of myself visiting the nations like Xinxiang, Hongkong and Tibet.
 

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Western powers too believed that India will break up until 1998 , when India carried out nuclear blast. Now, They have stopped hopping against hope but the hopes of our Chinese and Pakistani friends is still alive. Let us see till what time are they able to sustain their hopes? I see more possibility of myself visiting the nations like Xinxiang, Hongkong and Tibet.
Even Pakistan and China aren't susceptible to climate crisis. I doubt any country can survive it unless they devolve power drastically and ensure equitable sharing of (fast-depleting) resources. Problem with India is that they are run, as a system, by a far-right fascist ideology. They will take the climate crisis out on Muslims rather than fix their issues, especially near elections.
 

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Even Pakistan and China aren't susceptible to climate crisis. I doubt any country can survive it unless they devolve power drastically and ensure equitable sharing of (fast-depleting) resources. Problem with India is that they are run, as a system, by a far-right fascist ideology. They will take the climate crisis out on Muslims rather than fix their issues, especially near elections.
Any Indian Hindu fascist is far more liberal that most liberals Islamist. The issue of the Muslims can be fixed in a manner in which Muslims understand. It has already begun.
Nominal GDP of India is near 3 Trillion USD.

PPP is real GDP, Nominal GDP does not reflect a normal man’s condition.
This applies to Pakistan as well. Pakistan's GDP is PPP can be around 1 Tr USD. However, our Pakistani friend ready to quote it at 260 bn USD to saw Indian GDP lower. They have been doing this since 1947.
 
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India is a continent. Even without Pakistan. It has more people than all of Africa. As I said nominal is more relevant to global economic might, let's not hide under ppp figures.
So China is also a continent then?
What will we do with global economic figures if our own people are not in good condition?. PPP should be the only measure for success when it comes to per capita or condition of common man.
 

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Delhi's Jawaharlal University Professor Menon: "Everyone knows that India is illegally occupying Kashmir. It is said the world over. Everybody accepts (it)....The map of India in foreign publications like Time and Newsweek show a different map of Kashmir. These copies of the magazines always create a lot of controversies and are censored and destroyed. When the whole world is talking about India's illegal occupation of Kashmir, then we should think the pro-azaadi (pro freedom) slogans in the valley are justified"

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why do these liberal commie aunties all look the same ?
 

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So China is also a continent then?
What will we do with global economic figures if our own people are not in good condition?. PPP should be the only measure for success when it comes to per capita or condition of common man.
Do all Bangladeshis live in Bangladesh, earn in Taka, convert those Taka to US Dollars, go to USA for free (anyhow) and then spend those converted dollars in USA, in American stores on American products?

If Yes then Bangladesh’s Nominal GDP = real GDP

But if all Bangladeshis live in Bangladesh, earn in Taka, spend those Taka in Bangladesh, on Bangladeshi products, in a Bangladeshi store.

then Bangladesh’s PPP GDP = real GDP.
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why do these liberal commie aunties all look the same ?
Obviously bro, JNU is the place every leftist or anyone from Pakistan will quote because counter questions are not allowed else you’ll be blocked by Rona Ayyub, Arfa Khanam Sherwani, Ashok Swine and Dhruv Doggy.
 

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So China is also a continent then?
What will we do with global economic figures if our own people are not in good condition?. PPP should be the only measure for success when it comes to per capita or condition of common man.
Tell me, when India competes with China over investment, loans, infrastructure deals with other countries, what matters ppp or nominal? As I said nominal indicates the real financial might of a country in the global stage.
 

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Tell me, when India competes with China over investment, loans, infrastructure deals with other countries, what matters ppp or nominal? As I said nominal indicates the real financial might of a country in the global stage.
Nominally we are the 5th largest/6th largest fluctuated with UK over the past 2 years.
 

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Tell me, when India competes with China over investment, loans, infrastructure deals with other countries, what matters ppp or nominal? As I said nominal indicates the real financial might of a country in the global stage.
Our first goal is livelihood of our fellow citizens. We are a country with lower labour wages according to western standards and a developing nation with future trajectory that will lead to high return on investments by foreign countries. We will develop our local industries and skill force and with time our nominal gdp will grow to it's true potential.
Do I want a bigger nominal gdp so we can play a bigger role in world politics? Ofcourse but it takes time and PPP should be focus of a developing nation.
 

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Our first goal is livelihood of our fellow citizens. We are a country with lower labour wages according to western standards and a developing nation with future trajectory that will lead to high return on investments by foreign countries. We will develop our local industries and skill force and with time our nominal gdp will grow to it's true potential.
Do I want a bigger nominal gdp so we can play a bigger role in world politics? Ofcourse but it takes time and PPP should be focus of a developing nation.
We are spending a lot on infra constructing roads at record scale, I don’t think you should reply to textile workers about economic progress.
 

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